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A random selection of images of the BMT Elevated Fleet


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Collection of: David Pirmann


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Photo by: Gerald H. Landau


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Collection of: George Conrad Collection


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Photo by: Richard Panse


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Photo by: Frank Pfuhler


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Photo by: Joe Korman


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Photo by: Doug Grotjahn


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Collection of: George Conrad Collection


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Collection of: Joe Testagrose


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Collection of: Joe Testagrose

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C Types

The C-types were rebuilt open platform elevated cars, rebuilt by the BMT in 1923-1925. Each C-type unit contained 3 cars semi-permanently coupled, with a motor car on each end and a trailer in the middle. The gates and platforms at the ends of the cars were removed, and two doorways were cut into each side of each car. Outside-hung sliding doors were attached to the cars, the only New York City subway or elevated stock to use the outside-hung door design, common in Boston at the time and London at present. The home-grown design and conversion was fairly ugly. The C-types were finally retired in 1956 along with the last original portions of the Fulton El in Brooklyn. None survive.

Q Types

BMT Q Drawing


Datasheets


(from NYCT "Revenue and Non-Revenue Car Drawings")

Q Type Datasheet, Part 1

Q Type Datasheet, Part 2

In the late 1930's, the BMT decided to modernize its fleet of elevated cars serving the Corona-Flushing Line for the 1939 World's Fair. They selected several of its old elevated cars for conversion into semi-permanently mated sets known as "Q" (for "Queens") cars. This involved enclosing the cars' platforms, installing quarter-point side doors, and reworking the control systems so that each set functioned in a motor/trailer/motor fashion. There were 30 three-car "Q" sets numbered 1600ABC through 1629ABC, and 12 two-car "QX" numbered 1630AB through 1641AB. The "Q" sets were arranged motor-trailer-motor; the "QX" sets had one motorized car and one unmotorized cab control car.

In 1950, the "Q" fleet was transferred to the Third Avenue Elevated and lighter-weight trucks from IRT composite cars were fitted under the cars. The final change to the appearance of the "Q" fleet came in 1957, when they were transferred to the Myrtle Avenue Line and their railroad roofs were lowered in height so that they could make it through the subway to the Coney Island shop complex. They were finally retired at the cessation of Myrtle El service between Broadway and Jay Street in 1969.

More Information

Car Notes

  Preserved
(Or Saved for Preservation)
  Converted to Work Service
(Might Still Exist)
  Wrecked/Damaged in Accident
(Possibly Repaired)
33, 1076 Fire damage, 12/07/1922.
56 Wrecked, 1/12/1917.
80, 100, 725, 726, 1064 Damaged or destroyed in Malbone Street Wreck, 11/1/1918.
82 Damaged and rebuilt into Car 684, circa 1910.
197 At Shore Line Transit Museum.


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Photo by: Frank Hicks

     
261 Collision at East New York Yard, 2/8/1925
659 At Shore Line Transit Museum.


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Photo by: Doug Grotjahn

     
732 Wrecked, no other info available.
913, 919 Fell from elevated structure at Flatbush and 5th Avenues, 6/25/1923.
999 Elevated Instruction Car. At Shore Line Transit Museum.


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Collection of: Joe Testagrose


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Photo by: Harv Kahn


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Photo by: Harv Kahn

 
1016 Fire damage, 2/13/1918.
1020 Fire damage, 4/23/1924.
1045 Fire damage, 11/1/1920.
1049 Fire damage, 4/16/1918.
1080 Collision at Ocean Parkway, 8/5/1924.
1087 Fire damage, 4/19/1921.
1227 At Shore Line Transit Museum. Operational.


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Photo by: Constantine Steffan


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Photo by: Richard Panse

   
1349 At Shore Line Transit Museum.


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Photo by: Frank Hicks


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Photo by: David Pirmann


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Photo by: David Pirmann

 
1362 At Shore Line Transit Museum.


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Photo by: Joe Testagrose


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Photo by: Frank Hicks

   
1365 At St. Louis Museum of Transportation.


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Photo by: Frank Hicks

     
1404, 1407, 1273 At New York Transit Museum. Since 1979, cars 1404, 1273, and 1407 have been on display at NYTM and has occasionally run in fantrip service. These three cars, a motor/trailer/motor set of Brooklyn elevated "gate" cars, have led a strange and eventful life. For the first three decades of their life they operated in essentially the configuration they are currently in: open-plaform wooden cars. These three cars were selected in 1938 to be part of the "Q-type" modernization program. Car 1404 became the "C" car of set 1603; car 1407 became the "A" car of set 1603; car 1273 became the center trailer car 1603B. In 1957 the 1603ABC set was renumbered to 1622ABC. Retired in the late 1960's along with the other "Q" types, the set now numbered 1622ABC was chosen for preservation and operated on fantrips during the 1970's. In 1979 it was decided that the three cars in set 1622 would be rebuilt to original as-built condition. This was done, but incompletely; the cars retained their 1957 lowered roofs and 1950 lightweight trucks. --Frank Hicks and Jeff Hakner.


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Photo by: Joe Testagrose


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Photo by: Doug Grotjahn


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Photo by: Joe Testagrose


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Photo by: Doug Grotjahn


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Photo by: Steve Zabel


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Photo by: Doug Grotjahn


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Photo by: Joe Testagrose

 
1487 Derailed, wrecked, 1917.
1602A At Trolley Museum of New York.


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Photo by: Joe Testagrose


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Collection of: David Pirmann


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Photo by: David Pirmann

 
1609C Involved in collision with SIRT 2925 at Fresh Pond Yard, 1/14/1966. 1609C suffered minor damage, while the SIRT car was pushed on to the tracks of the LIRR Montauk Branch.


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Collection of: Joe Testagrose

     
1612C At New York Transit Museum. The best-preserved example of a BMT "Q" type rapid transit car is 1612C, preserved in the only rail museum in the country actually situated in a disused subway station, the New York Transit Museum. This car was built as a single-unit, open-platform wooden elevated car for service on the BRT, and for the first three decades of its life it operated as such. This car was selected in 1938 to be part of the "Q-type" modernization program. Retired in the late 1960's along with the other "Q" types, 1612C was first converted to alcohol sprayer car 30504 (20504), and then chosen for preservation sans the other two cars in its set. In the late 1970's, when preserved "Q" set 1622ABC was rebuilt to open platform configuration, 1612C was restored to its c1940 condition and placed in the NYTM where it has remained on display for over a quarter century. --Jeff Hakner and Frank Hicks.


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Photo by: Steve Zabel


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Photo by: Steve Zabel


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Photo by: Frank Hicks

 
1622ABC See entry for 1404, 1407, 1273.
1630X, 1631X, 1612B Converted to reach car service, 30617, 30618, 30619, respectively.


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Photo by: David Pirmann


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Photo by: David Pirmann


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Photo by: David Pirmann

 
1631X Converted to alcohol sprayer car 30505 (20505).
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