-Chris
-Chris
A whole line? Maybe. First I want to see if and how am I going to make my own site. Then i'll have a line.
BTW, if you have a chain of pics that you want me to make into a "GIFimation", just post em.
-Chris
Seriously, it looks good.
-Chris
Clear branding and signage with named lines and designated platforms.
A service at least every 15 minutes throughout the working day at all times when the line operates.
Standards of station cleanliness, safety, and maintenance.
Easily identified stopping patterns.
Then do any of the lines in London count as metro services? Shenfield Line is closest I think but falls down on service frequencies evenings and weekends.
Some Underground lines do not qualify. Woodford to Hainault and Rickmansworth are obvious. Any others?
A service at least every 15 minutes throughout the working day at all times when the line operates.
Standards of station cleanliness, safety, and maintenance.
Easily identified stopping patterns.
Then do any of the lines in London count as metro services?
Not exactly. Maybe a case could be made for Thameslink, but even that does awful things evenings and weekends, and of course there's a lot of track-sharing with other lines (which would disqualify the Bakerloo Line too).
Some Underground lines do not qualify. Woodford to Hainault and Rickmansworth are obvious. Any others?
There are some 20 minute intervals on Ealing Common - Rayner's Lane.
If you're playing the designated platforms game to its full extent, you could probably kill most of the sub-surface lines.
Drastic rail reform call from MPs
Passengers will see a further fall in services without reforms, MPs say Britain's struggling railways need a radical restructuring if they are ever to work properly, according to an influential group of MPs. Network Rail, which owns the track and stations, should be scrapped they say.
And the same goes for the Strategic Rail Authority (SRA) which governs the level of service for passengers.
A stinging report from the Transport Select Committee says both should be replaced by a single, publicly-owned railway agency.
"The government has had years to address the problems of the railway but has failed to take effective action," said Gwyneth Dunwoody, who chairs the parliamentary committee.
Core failure
Some of the strongest criticism is directed at the government-appointed independent rail regulator, Tom Winsor. The report says he has "failed in his core function of effectively regulating the stewardship of the national rail network". The regulator is described as "high-handed" and portrayed as a dictatorial figure who has over-stepped his brief and effectively seized control of the industry purse-strings from the government. As a result "billions of pounds of public funds" are being spent "without full democratic accountability", it says.
The damning report, called the Future of the Railway, is the result of an inquiry into the state of the railways by the Labour-dominated committee of backbench MPs.
Soaring costs
It blames the "continuing crisis of soaring... costs and poor performance" on fragmentation following the break up and privatisation of the railways in the mid-1990s.
Despite privatisation, billions of pounds of taxpayers' money are being poured in the railways every year.
'The government has failed to take effective action'
Gwyneth Dunwoody MP
But less than 80% of trains arrive on time. Latest estimates say it will be five years before performance matches British Rail's best figure of 90% of trains on time. The status of Network Rail, which unlike its much-derided predecessor, Railtrack, does not have shareholders, also comes in for criticism.
'Largely incapable'
Its ownership - split between the railway industry and private individuals appointed to the board - "lacks accountability" and its owners "do not have the incentives to control the company in any meaningful way".
The SRA is described as "largely incapable" of its job of setting standards for the private train companies
"It is simply not equipped with sufficient powers to do the leadership job it has been given," the report says.
Safety on the railways is also scrutinised.
Restructuring call
The relationship between the Health and Safety Executive (HSE), which oversees safety, and the rail industry is "very poor". The HSE is accused of sometimes applying wholly inappropriate standards.
The committee believes a wholesale restructuring of the railways, led by a state-run railway agency in place of the SRA and the Network Rail, would deliver "substantial improvements" for the passenger.
"Unless steps to streamline the present structure are taken now, the service passengers receive is likely to deteriorate further," said Mrs Dunwoody.
Further review
Whether the call for wholesale upheaval is acted on remains to be seen.
But the report is at least timely, coming in the middle of a government review of the structure of the railways, due to issue its findings in the summer.
And it comes a day after Network Rail announced it will spend £26bn in five years to boost train punctuality to 90%.
This reports the conclusions of a Parliamentary Committee. The Government is under no obligation to take any notice of the committee's views. The title of this thread is therefore a little premature, so I've amended it.
The media in the UK is resolutely anti-train, so good news doesn't get mentioned. Most people probably don't know that more trains run now than ten years ago and they carry more passengers. There is also quite a lot of new rolling stock about. When they talk about "a further fall in services" they are referring to cuts made recently - mainly of little-used services - from a level that had previously been increased. These cuts were made mostly to relieve capacity problems at bottlenecks, so that well-filled trains rather than sparsely-filled ones got the available slots. Capacity problems only occur when business is increasing!
This is not to say that there are no problems with trains in the UK - and the lunatic privatisation scheme is the source of many of them. But the impression given that he British rail systyem is in terminal decline is false. If you want to see a railway system in terminal decline, go to New Zealand - alas.
Also a calculated political stab at Tony Blair by Old Labour backbench MP's. Their conclusions reveal that they know very little about railways or railway management.
The media in the UK is resolutely anti-train,
Not so. The media in the UK is resolute in its willingness to criticize anything, train or non-train. The media in UK loves a scandal. The media in UK doesn't report on anything unless it's a scandal, and they report everything as if it should be a scandal, even if it isn't. The BBC is usually not as bad as the others, I am surprised that this passed under the chief editor's knife. Perhaps the popular opinion in the UK is such that the railways are, to use a British word, 'shite'.
If you want to see a railway system in terminal decline, go to New Zealand
Does that mean you haven't seen the railways in Argentina? Yet somehow the likes of Henry Posner III and Ed Burkhardt manages to make it go. Just a question of what kind of attitude you take, really.
AEM7
It's not that easy. Many tracks are used by multiple companies - remember that as well as the multiplicity of passenger train operating companies, there is freight too. That said, there is widespread agreement that separating the management of the trains from the management of the tracks was a bad idea. What there isn't agreement about is what to do now, to put things right. The Parliamentary Committee also made the point (accurately) that there are too many supervisory bodies (the Strategic Rail Authority, Network Rail, the regulator, and of course the Government itself), and no-one knows who has what powers.
It's not that easy. Many tracks are used by multiple companies
And there's the obvious solution to that: merge it all into one company and call it British Rail.
This reports the conclusions of a Parliamentary Committee. The Government is under no obligation to take any notice of the committee's views. The title of this thread is therefore a little premature, so I've amended it.
The media in the UK is resolutely anti-train, so good news doesn't get mentioned. Most people probably don't know that more trains run now than ten years ago and they carry more passengers. There is also quite a lot of new rolling stock about. When they talk about "a further fall in services" they are referring to cuts made recently - mainly of little-used services - from a level that had previously been increased. These cuts were made mostly to relieve capacity problems at bottlenecks, so that well-filled trains rather than sparsely-filled ones got the available slots. Capacity problems only occur when business is increasing!
This is not to say that there are no problems with trains in the UK - and the lunatic privatisation scheme is the source of many of them. But the impression given that he British rail systyem is in terminal decline is false. If you want to see a railway system in terminal decline, go to New Zealand - alas.
Also a calculated political stab at Tony Blair by Old Labour backbench MP's. Their conclusions reveal that they know very little about railways or railway management.
The media in the UK is resolutely anti-train,
Not so. The media in the UK is resolute in its willingness to criticize anything, train or non-train. The media in UK loves a scandal. The media in UK doesn't report on anything unless it's a scandal, and they report everything as if it should be a scandal, even if it isn't. The BBC is usually not as bad as the others, I am surprised that this passed under the chief editor's knife. Perhaps the popular opinion in the UK is such that the railways are, to use a British word, 'shite'.
If you want to see a railway system in terminal decline, go to New Zealand
Does that mean you haven't seen the railways in Argentina? Yet somehow the likes of Henry Posner III and Ed Burkhardt manages to make it go. Just a question of what kind of attitude you take, really.
AEM7
The devil made me do it!
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The devil made me do it!
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Great Joke! For a second I thought that Shoreline was going to get a few bucks in movie rentals and find someone to restore the car.
You posted twice.
Bill "Newkirk"
should be the lack of "marquee" was a spelling error.
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"But he denied that the incident was part of any terrorist plot, insisting that he is a fan of both President Bush and Mayor Bloomberg."
"I like them very much," Quelal told cops. "I like Republicans."
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ANDEE
I usually get the same train out of Pelham Bay Park in the morning (sometime between 7:20 and 7:45 - I won't mention the exact interval). When we got to 125th/Lex the holding lights were on. I was in the C/R operating car (#7xx6). The C/R ignored them, closed the doors and the train departed. It is not like he couldn't see them because they are located right above the C/R position and in front of the C/R stopping board.
This isn't the first time such a thing has happened.
I wonder what is it that makes a crew member ignore procedure like that.
If he finishes his trip ahead of schedule, he gets a longer break.
The question is where he will be held to schedule. Generally speaking, there are no corrections (holding lights) anywhere along the line until the terminal (for departing trains). Moreover, the rush hour schedules are overly padded.
My observations on the Lex express indicate that trains routinely arrive and depart Grand Central one to two intervals ahead of schedule. Their departures are governed by the signal system not the schedule.
Trouble occurs, when trains departing from a terminal are held to schedule. Following trains are arriving early, however there are no pockets available for them. They line up at the terminal, waiting for a train to clear.
Another problem occurs at the end of the rush hour, when intervals expand from 4 to 10 minutes. The leading trains are already 4 to 8 minutes ahead of schedule. This means that the gap between trains is already 4 to 8 minutes greater than on the schedule, when the non-rush hour train leaves its terminal. This results in a is a 15 minute gap between trains at the end of the rush hour.
The point of the post is to bring out the fact that the event happened and bring up the subject for open discussion.
One point I did not bring up - I like wear my scanner traveling to and from work so I can be "tuned in" and have a slight advantage over my fellow passengers by knowing problems as they are happening. While I can not divulge exactly what said over the radio as the train was leaving, I will say that the comments were not complimentary to the crew.
Why would the T/O be written up as well? The T/O would have seen the lights as the train was pulling into the station. The T/O should have been watching the platform as well and would have seen the lights were still on and not have moved out. Exactly who will be written up will be up to the supervision at 125th.
T/O is not supposed to watch the platform. Just because the holding lights are on as the train enters the station does not mean they couldn't have been turned off as soon as the T/O passed them. Once the indication comes in, the T/O is supposed to go, not double-check on the C/R.
And before you excoriate me with "don't give them ideas" think of it as a motorman's revenge for "partner? Do you have the lineup?" :)
But as I was commenting to Dave in another message in this thread - this whole "A superintendent" dance of today is probably the result of some of us on the D having had a snootful. You'd pull into 145 S/B on center, D Express. You'd have your pawnbroker lights on, compressor would cut out and a CC would come rumbling in. OK, fair enough.
Ah, but the CC would dump its load and take off (even though you heard a B rumble in upstairs BEFORE the CC came in against the wall) CC leaves, B couldn't go anywhere. Rot some more ... you'd hear the B take off. Light still on, dead silence aside from antsy geese peering out the front window. Minutes passed. FINALLY the rumble overhead of an a cranking in. Folks started coming down the stairs (WHY people would get off an A train to catch a D that was obviously going to follow was beyond me, but I digress) ... then you'd hear the A take off (compressors kick in again) ...
FINALLY ... lights out, lineup ahead ... AGGGGH. If it's anything like that and I was still out there today, I'd be inclined to close up out of sheer frustration. I can only imagine what it's like there with the A "licensed to kill" the railroad. :-\
And before you excoriate me with "don't give them ideas" think of it as a motorman's revenge for "partner? Do you have the lineup?" :)
I've given up - they don't have ideas, just potty breaks that masquerade as such.
We can't trust C/Rs, so we'll create OPTO to convince everyone we don't need them. While we're working on that, we'll use door enablers, this way the decision of which doors to open is not in the hands of the idiot C/Rs. But lately, we've had a rash of T/Os who can't recognize the color RED on their own, so we'll get those same idiot, untrustworthy C/Rs to ask the blind, untrustworthy T/Os if they have a line-up.
And I was a member of the same TWU that screwed me way back when and an adversarial *NEW* management that had all SORTS of stupid new ideas to screw up the railroad. Fortunately at the time, they hadn't replaced all the old TRANSIT AUTHORITY railroaders with droids. As I've said way too many times, it's a RAILROAD - not a CAMPAIGN committee and I fear that the MTA is like so many other state agencies I've worked for since - full of political hacks and nobody that actually knows the FUNCTION of the agency.
All of my comments though are out of sympathy from one who knows how it was and is disheartened and ASHAMED of what the (ta) has become. :(
David
Whatever happened to "Employees should be aware of their surroundings at all times"?
Between you and me this lack of attentiveness (rulebook or not) leaves a bit to be desired.
You would think some commonm sense would come into play here - but wait - WHAT AM I THINKING???!!! - we are talking about the MTA. Common sense is against the rules.
Between you and me this lack of attentiveness (rulebook or not) leaves a bit to be desired.
What if the T/o's view of the lights were to be obstructed? WHY should he have to watch the platform anyway? Something pertinent happening involving the operation of the train back there?
You would think some commonm sense would come into play here - but wait - WHAT AM I THINKING???!!! - we are talking about the MTA. Common sense is against the rules.
The MTA has far more common sense than most people on this board.
And when something goes wrong, you BOTH "hang" together as far as supervision is concerned. It's unfortunate indeed that someone in the middle closed up when they shouldn't have, but I cannot see how the guy or gal up front is responsible for contradicting the conductor whose job THAT duty is clearly responsible for. When the little light comes on, you release and pull. Once again sorry for chiding in, but if this is SUCH a big problem, then maybe they need to get a few more overpaid beakies out from behind their desk and into the field. :(
Ah Hem... pardon me, but what if the T/O box is on the right side of the train and the platform is on the left. What is he going to do then? Dump the Train and go to the door to look for himself?
I don't think so!
Elias
When I KNEW I was going to be held, I'd often set brake in full serve, center the reverser and step out of the cab and stretch my legs. I'd walk across to the door, even step out on the platform perhaps (had my key if I got "locked out") and in MOST situations, I couldn't see the holding lights ANYWAY even if it was the "offside." Unlike many other places, NYC platforms are pretty long and even when they aren't crowded, there's plenty of signage obstructions alone that makes it nearly impossible to see holding lights from the front of the train.
Does one USUALLY center up and stretch their legs? Nope, not often - and it'd be a REAL problem if required at every "held for a gap" stop. But leaving the cab and getting some air is no big deal - it's just that you're not likely to SEE anything ANYWAY ... and of course that extra second to step back in, throw the reverser and release before slamming the door would definitely screw up the railroad for months. :)
My understanding today also is that you're not supposed to drop your sash anymore either - it was different back in the days when that was your AIR supply. But even then, I'd keep my sash closed just to keep Biff and Bunny Tourista from vexing me with questions whilst waiting for the indication fairy to smile. :)
I probably would have been kinder if it wasn't RUSH HOUR and ANYONE who screwed up the railroad would get an unintended cut and add at the hands of the TMO.
On the rare occasions that I do look at the platform, it is most definitely NOT to see the holding lights. In general, having stopped the train in the station, I make sure that the leaving signal is clear and then watch the indication. When it lights up, we go.
Whatever happened to "Employees should be aware of their surroundings at all times"?
While in the locked cab, I AM aware of my surroundings. If I go sticking my head out the window, I have to watch for idiots approaching me. If I wanted to do that I would have remained a C/R.
Between you and me this lack of attentiveness (rulebook or not) leaves a bit to be desired.
I'm very attentive to what I'm supposed to be doing. My attention would be drifting if I started watching what other employees are doing.
(that's why I was always glad to have my company issued yellow "board of education" next to me in the cab - sometimes you HAD to use it)
You musta worked the A. :)
David
I think CI or Car Inspector too, RCI goes on the road to trouble shoot problems with cars while a CI works on cars in the yard.
I'm guessing I'm baking the christmas cookies. What flavor: IRT, BMT...or that other certain organization? :)
I'm thinking of baking of an Arnine cookie...but it isn't Atkins friendly. Take that Bloomy!
Now it's up to us to think of an area on where to have a Christmas party....Grand Central has a tree during the Christmas season, doesn't it?
Unless your at some odd terminal, like Bowling Green. Here we have only Yellow lights - if you're a 4 or a rush hour 5, you hold until they go out; if you're a mid-day 5, you go when they go on.
The yellow lights are to hold the train for a connection.
There are no red ones.
Have i understand the task of holding lights correct:
The holding lights are turned on by the tower to give the order to wait
for a connecting train?
If so: Looking at the time and day it's the morning rush. Why should be
there be a connection??? Following train departs only few minutes later.
Suppose there is a train stuck in the tunnel ahead, maybe even in the next station. The Signals would be green, but you would not want to be stuck in a tunnel, now would you? So the holding lights are turned on to tell the C/R not to close the doors.
The instruction not to hold trains for connections applies to the person running the holding lights, not to the C/R who needs to obey them.
Elias
I think he clearly ignored them. He was probably in a rush that day or something.
-Broadway Buffer
D.W.E.L well
I won't say anything else but I know this train was an extra. This was different from the S/B 6 local trai that Allan observed.
Once the T/O has a lineup and indication, it's his turn to move the train. His job does not entail sticking his head out the side window. (Half the time he's on the wrong side anyway.)
In London,when a 'Guard' was on each train a Platform Repeater signal half way along the platform indicated to the Guard if the starting signal was clear or not and the Guard would not close the doors if the starting signal was at Stop.
The 'Signalman' could hold the train to time by keeping the starting signal at Stop.
Should the train need to be held in the platform where the starting signal was an Automatic the Platform Staff would need to advise the Train Crew verbally .
Better hurry while you can!
#3 West End Jeff
I am not an expert in quantum mechanics but taking up that offer would violate the Temporal Prime Directive.
Just look at the caption below the photo, 'nuff said.
Man did I get an April fools joke BIG TIME!
#3 West End Jeff
If you use that station everyday, it should be the easiest picture to identify.
But then, when you think about it - I don't either.
Jeffrey Klein of East Stroudsburg and Brett Birdwell of Stroudsburg, who were both 17 at the time, claim the rail companies failed to post warning signs about the danger of electrical arcing from the overhead wires.
When electricity arcs, it leaps from a wire to person, even though the person has not touched the wire.
The teens climbed on the train in Manheim Township in August 2002 to check out the view.
Norfolk spokesman Rudy Husband declined comment, citing the pending litigation.
In the suit, filed this month in U.S. District Court in Philadelphia, Lancaster attorney Joseph Roda said Klein was zapped with 14,000 volts of electricity from the "arcing."
The federal government has urged the railroad industry to post the warning signs, the suit contends.
http://www.darwinawards.com/
Not necessarily ... they were roasted medium-well over most of their bodies ... that might include certain appendages, if you catch my drift :)
Assuming this story is being reported fully accurately, then Norfolk Southern should consider a countersuit for malicious prosecution. The railroad can ask a judge to assess damages against the dishonest attorney representing these two idiots.
Peace.
ANDEE
You are sure having a great April Fool's morning. I like that picture.
CREATIONISM FOREVER!
DARWIN FOREVER!
Did you read or see the play (or movie) "Inherit the Wind," based on the Scopes trial? There is a phrase in there that the secular, liberal lawyer says from the bible: He that maketh trouble in his own house shall inherit the wind.
This made me think about how defjef causes the board to have an uproar, and that we could potentially have nothing, that is, a shut-down Subtalk. Thanks for making that post, which triggered that thought train.
If you had known some of the posts that I have previously made (I'm not blaming you if you don't), you'd know that there's no way I'd believe in creationism. People who believe in creationism don't say things like "I do not believe in any deities."
Your pal,
Fred
Since they didn't touch the 14kVolt line, much of the voltage drop would occur in the air between the line and their bodies. They may only have received 220 volts or something like that.
Mathematically, voltage received by bodies =
(14,000 Volts) * (resistance of bodies)/(resistance of bodies + resistance of clothes + resistance of air)
If this story is an April Fool's joke, sobe it - but the story is plausible enough to not dismiss out of hand.
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ANDEE
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Your pal,
Fred
Two, I don't see how this is 'encouraging' anything. The answer to "can one sue" in this country is "yes". You can always sue. If these morons win that will encourage more lawsuits.
Everyone needs to write their legislators and urge them to adopt the "Rest of the World System" of lawsuits where the loosing party is liable for the winning party's reasonable legal costs. This way people stand to loose money on long shot suits.
Doesn't work. If you have no assets, you have no problem suing because you can't pay the winning party's legal costs anyway.
AEM7
This issue is actually quite serious. First whenever something happens in court, somebody has gotta pay the legal cost. Lawyers gotta eat too. And they have to buy their yachts.
Question is who. The problem with the American system is well known, and has been discussed. The problem with the Rest of World system is not well known, at least not to Subtalk. Now, let's suppose auto A gets rammed by auto B; apparently auto B's fault but there were no witnesses. Auto A is uninsured and the owner is poor, and auto B belongs to a large fleet. Insurance company B offers to settle for $10,000, whereas owner A needed $15,000's worth of hospital treatment. That leaves owner A $5,000 short.
Under the "U.S." system: owner A goes to one of those no-win, no-fee lawyers; sues owner B, insurance carrier B, and driver B. If owner A loses, the lawyer A just wasted his time; if owner A wins, lawyer A makes some money and insurance carrier B or owner B settles.
Under the "Rest of World" system: because owner A has no assets, and at best a 50/50% chance of winning, owner A will not get representation. Potential lawyer A's will be afraid of becoming liable for legal costs to insurer B or owner B if they lose. Therefore owner A will never get (as he sees it) justice and insurer B would get away with offering owner A a smaller settlement than damages caused by driver B.
The right solution here is to change legislation to disallow frivolous cases or make them more difficult to win. The solution is not simply to make lawyers liable. Esp. where public prosecution/government legal aid is involved, there is much more of a problem.
I agree in principle that lawyers are unnecessary and if everyone would be fair then there would be no need for lawyers. But this world is not fair, especially when you're in a shady business like insurance, risk management or financial management.
AEM7
This happens in the US also, but it is not a well-known fact outside legal circles.
The likelihood of this occurring depends on how determined the defendant in a frivolous suit is to fight back, and if he has a good lawyer who knows the rules.
Fighting back against frivolous suits is really only an option in lawsuits between two corporations (which are almost never "no fee").
CG
Not entirely true, though often true. You didn't see my other post in the thread. The lawyer who directed the case is not "judgment proof" and judges have ordered the offending lawyer to pay the maliocious prosecution judgment.
"Fighting back against frivolous suits is really only an option in lawsuits between two corporations (which are almost never "no fee"). "
Physicians are starting to do it too, and some have won significant judgments against both plaintiffs and their lawyers.
Owner A still has a lot to lose...
If Owner A loses, he may not owe the law firm, or lawyer any "fee", but will certain have racked up a ton of "expenses" along the way which are in fact recoverable. It's usually in the fine print of those "No win No fee" lawyers' ads.
The only damages that Owner A would have left over are damages to his vehicle (which would be settled between the two insurance companies) and non-economic damages ("pain and suffering"), which really is a non-issue outside North America (in terms of dollar compensation).
And the solution to this problem is that which Herr Railnut pointed out.
Not entirely true. I know of cases where the attorney advising his/her client to file a frivolous lawsuit was subsequently ordered by a judge to pay damages assessed in the course of a successful countersuit by the other party.
John
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ANDEE
And with debt service going up, and the bond rating going down, you wonder why NY State has no money to fund the MTA these days.
-Adam
(allisonb500r@aol.com)
No, but maybe this will result in a significant reduction of cab blessings.
And we were PROMISED by both parties, "it's ALREADY in the bag, it's ALREADY done - ladies and gentlemen, THIS year we're going to do it ON TIME." REMINDER: Every one of them is up for re-election this year. Be "governed" accordingly ... oink.
The whole station is in the process of being renovated for ADA compliance, which is a Good Thing, but why the work on the middle platform?
Or is this going to be like the Bowling Green rehab, where they renovated the shuttle platform even though there were no plans to use it?
Zach
D to Brighton Beach!
While this is happening all downtown trains use the local track.
The "fare" for the trip is collected on the train.
That can not be true, because I've descended upon the middle platform much earlier than "shortly before 10:30am." So Chris is not "completely correct."
I was guesstimating. The moment we're allowed down onto the middle platform has varied. On the Saturday trip last December, Bill let us down a good 20 minutes before the train arrived.
---Sir Ronald of McDonald
On MOD trips, tickets are generally checked on the train (either while in motion or while stopped on a track that isn't in regular use, like the Chrystie Street cut), although there have been exceptions.
And if they were to renovate the platforms at Columbus Circle, don't you think it would look bad if they left the middle one all old and dirty in plain sight? I think they will keep the appearance of the middle platform basically in line with the appearances of the other two platforms.
til next time
Bush has no hope whatsoever of winning New York no matter what happens with Penn Station. Kerry could run the worst possible, scandal-beset campaign, and he is guaranteed to win the city and state.
If he wants a place where no trains are running underfoot, why not have the RNC in the woods in the middle of one of those big empty red rectangular states? Come to think of it, that's where most of his voter base comes from...
Because those "Big Empty Red Rectangular States" don't *have* any woods.
See:
Besides:
1) We get MORE representation per capita than you do, and
2) We elect DEMOCRATS to congress (to get more money for our states)
3) We elect REPUBLICANS to the White House (to keep our taxes down)
Elias
Run TRAINS not Polticians!
Why yes, as a matter of fact there is.
It even has a sewage lagoon over in the east corner.
: ) Elias
Not only that, but it will make no impression on the lagoon at all!
If you look in this thread, you'll see that the first post listed is not in fact the first post. I've had first posts that worked properly back into the 1998's. What happened to this one?
If you remember from the Chestnut St incident in Philly, the Feds do not have the power to shut down a local street for security reasons. Thank god Mayor Street had the balls to put the kibosh on their paranoia.
--Mark
I compiled some photos from recent loiterings at Stamford and South Norwalk and in and around New Haven.
Enjoy!
Your pal,
Fred
Your pal,
Fred
http://www.transitgallery.com/data/ad61ab143223efbc24c7d2583be69251/full_265_p9306.jpg
I've only seen these in action lately. They used to run a couple of F-7's as well, but I've not seen them in a long time.
They purchased the GP40 machines refurbished in 1996. This site features their rolling stock and other SLE stuff.
Your pal,
Fred
For now, the six subway lines that run alongside the Garden on Seventh and Eighth Aves. will remain open but won't stop at 34th St., government officials told the News.
Read the rest here
Here's what I'd do.
1: 242 St to Times Square
2: Wakefield to Times Square. Local south of 96th Street
3: 148 Street to 96 Street
9: South Ferry to 14th Street.
13: Flatbush Avenue to Chambers Street
Shuttle buses between 14th and Times Square
A: Replaces D between 145th Street and West 4th.
B: Follows Q to 57th Street.
C: Replaces B between 145th Street and West 4th.
D: Broadway-Lafayette to Coney Island
E: Follows regular V between 5th Avenue and West 4th.
F: Some trains run on the G between Roosevelt Avenue and Bergen Street
Shuttle buses between West 4th and 59th
LIRR: Trains scheduled to terminate at Penn Station will be diverted to the Flatbush Avenue terminal.
NJT: No trains between Newark and New York. Some trains diverted to Hoboken.
AMTRAK: Trains coming from Boston will stop at Sunnyside Yard, then pulled by diesel locomotive to Hunters Point Avenue station. Trains coming from Philadelphia will go as far as Newark or Hoboken, where PATH service is available. Trains from Albany will run to Grand Central Terminal.
Bus service links PATH 33rd Street station and Grand Central Terminal.
Move the Convention to Baghdad.
:( Elias
What a great way to encourage people to use mass transit by taking it out from right under them!
--Mark
No matter what, there should be NO CLOSURES WHATSOEVER.
too bad - sounds like ALASKA would be a nice place for it ;-)
By the way, here's some data from the U.S. Census Bureau. In fiscal 1999, when New York City was booming, it received 2.89 percent of federal spending with 2.85 percent of U.S. population. In fiscal 2002, the year after 9/11, New York City received 2.76 percent of federal spending. These figures understate the city's share of federal spending somewhat (unallocable spending in U.S. total but not NYC) but not the fact that it went down. Our share of federal taxes is higher.
One reason why NYC gets a low percentage of federal spending is because it has no significant military bases within its borders.
"Hey look, New York City got attacked, but Fargo's still there. Homeland Security is a SUCCESS."
SOME DAY we'll finally be able to see the balls of our leaders. In a museum. :(
Meanwhile, we're told to soil our pants, we're all going to die UNLESS we re-elect MORE of this nonsense. If we nuke Mecca, it'll be the downfall of the house of Saud. I don't see a downside here aside from Halliburton's stock prices and maybe Mob-On oil. The ONE thing I learned growing up in New York City is that if you're crazier than anyone ELSE on the train, you GET a seat ... as MANY as you want. :(
Maybe it's just time to take them all out if THIS is the "world the repubicans have given us and our children to live in. "Bring it on." I'd rather be dead than governed by wusses passing the sweet and sour shrimp while our kids die to fatten Cheney and his pals. :(
Will Japan and China boycot them too? I think not.
That strageic reserve is not what you think it is.
Some of it is raw oil, but is it light sweet, or is it only good for bunker charlie. The Navy uses bunker charlie, and that is mostly what the reserve was set up for.
Anything can be refined, but if you have to pay Americans to do it the price will be very high indeed.
Elias
America's so hopelessly addicted to cheap oil that it would be a disaster for the U.S. economy. Instead of driving less, people will keep on driving just as much as always, and spend less on everything else.
Fortunately they've seen the light and this time around (as of now) trains will just skip 34th.
It was during the 2 month Subtalk hiatus, so it took place on Harry's board:
http://www.nycrail.com/cgi-bin/messageboard/messages/1443.html
The above link was the mother of all threads that started the whole 76th Street phenomena. There were some threads that started earlier, but the above thread by the now "David of Broadway" is the thread that gave 76th Street in the same category as the Bermuda Triangle, ghosts, and UFO's.
Here's another link I found that started within minutes of DavidG's thread. The first of many. The rest is history......
http://www.nycrail.com/amb/board1/1444.html
Due to lengthy SJRL headways, I'm thinking it might save time and money by driving from Queens to either Metuchen or Edison and grabbing NJT to Trenton. Don't laugh- if I leave home before 6:00 AM, I can make it to the GSP/US1 junction within an hour WITHOUT PAYING ANY TOLLS. This could conceivably have me on the Trenton-bound 7:23 or 8:01 out of Metuchen- which would allow me a lot more time in the Philadelphia area that would otherwise be spent on the subway, PATH and NJT. Both localities are easily accessible from the Parkway going and the Outerbridge coming home.
A look at street maps and previous drives around the area reveals a few residential side streets near the Edison station and a heavily developed residential/commercial area around Metuchen. It appears that there are a number of Subtalkers who live in the general vicinity who might know if I stand a chance of getting a street space near either station early in the morning on a half-holiday. Are there widespread parking restrictions such as those that exist for many blocks around some LIRR stations?
Another thing I'm wondering is if the heavily discounted off-peak round trips are available between either station and Trenton. Or is this just a perk offered from the inner terminals of Penn, Hoboken and Newark? In any event, it should be cheaper than the $15.75 off-peak round trip from Penn to Trenton or the $11.00 (plus $3.00 round trip on PATH) from Newark. Even factoring in the $6.00 toll on the inbound Outerbridge, it would still be a bargain- especially if I get a chance to buy cheap Jersey gas as long as I'm in the area.
I had considered driving all the way to Trenton, but it seems doubtful there'd be much street parking available around its transit hub. Many people have reported the area to be unsafe for parked cars. Trenton's a pain in the neck to drive to, anyway. It's either via toll-free, traffic signal-laden, suburban sprawl-congested US1- or the expensive Turnpike, from which you still have to take a roundabout route on I-195 and city streets to get to the station.
Thanks in advance for any advice.
I haven't been to the area in quite a while, but I think there were restrictions on nearby street parking. Metuchen seems like a nice little town -- you could probably safely park a quarter mile from the station on a street somewhere and walk if the weather is nice.
You can daily park at Metropark for a few bucks. Or, you could park free at the Menlo Park mall and catch a shuttle bus over to the Metropark station.
CG
The chief of the NYC subway, Michael Lombardi, has also joined the delegation. Even though the subway of Rotterdam is a baby brother compared to the hugeness of the NYC subway, we have 72 kilometres of trackage (45 miles), 47 stations and 150 trains, Lombardi acknowledged that we share the same problems (albeit on a different scale).
http://www.retmetro.nl/nl_nieuwsitem271.htm (courtesy of retmetro.nl)
Some background information: the station this report is taped in, is Wilhelminaplein. This stations was opened in or around 1996, and it was built while the trains were still passing through it in their normal schedule. The platform slopes down, as the tunnel dives under the Maas river. The station is one huge space (it is incredible), supported merely by the columns in the middle (silver). This is possible because the roof is 2 meters thick. Even though newer stations have opened, Wilhelminaplein remains (in my opinion) the nicest one, because of its vastness.
The train you see is a "Bommetje", a type designed by Bombardier. They are more quiet than the preceeding set of trains (which have, unfortunately, landed on the scrapheap). The maximum speed is 100 km per hour (63 mph), however the speed limit on certain parts of the track is 50 mph (80 kph) (there is testing of a higher speed on some sections of tracks though).
If you want more details, just ask.
Niels
It's not that easy. Many tracks are used by multiple companies - remember that as well as the multiplicity of passenger train operating companies, there is freight too. That said, there is widespread agreement that separating the management of the trains from the management of the tracks was a bad idea. What there isn't agreement about is what to do now, to put things right. The Parliamentary Committee also made the point (accurately) that there are too many supervisory bodies (the Strategic Rail Authority, Network Rail, the regulator, and of course the Government itself), and no-one knows who has what powers.
It's not that easy. Many tracks are used by multiple companies
And there's the obvious solution to that: merge it all into one company and call it British Rail.
Subject: The Italian Honeymoon!
After returning from his honeymoon in Florida with his new bride, Virginia, Luigi stopped by his old barbershop in Brooklyn to say hello to his friends.
Giovanni said, "Hey Luigi, how wasa da treepa?"
Luigi said, "Everytinga wasa perfecto except for da traina ride down."
"Whata you mean, Luigi?" asked Giovanni.
"Well, we boarda da train at Grana Central Station. My beautiful Virginia,
she pack a biga basket a food. She broughta vino, some nice cigars
for me, and we were looking a forward to da trip. Everytinga wasa Okey Dokey
until we getta hungry and open upa da luncha basket. The conductore
come a by, waga hisa finger at us anda say, 'no eat in disa car. Musta use a
dining car.
"So, me and my beautiful Virginia, we go to dining car, eat a biga
luncha and start to open a bottle of nice a vino! Conductore walka by again,
waga hisa finger and say, 'No drinka in disa car Musta use a club a car.'
"So, we go to club car."
"While drinkina vino, I start to lighta my biga cigar. The conductore, he
waga his finger again and say, 'No smokina disa car. Musta go to smokina car.
"Then my beautiful Virginia and I, we go to sleeper car anda go to
bed. We just about to go boomada boomada and the conductore, he walka
through da hall shouting at da top of hisa voice, 'Nofolka Virginia! Nofolka Virginia!'"
"Next time, I'ma gonna take a da bus!!"
[I know there are no long distance trains at Grand Central]
Not only that, but no southbound trains.
Haha! Non uccida il messaggero. Non ho scritto lo scherzo.
-Ben Diamond (a.k.a. 4traintowoodlawn)
Now let's see what the builders can do.
Elias
And yes, this implies that from the Fulton-Bdwy-Nassau 2/3/A/C stations, you'll be able to take the train or walk to Park Place-Chambers St.
Of course, that transfer won't be free. But you will be able to use your MetroCard.
Take a gander at this for example:
This is where the MTA will build a new, streamlined transfer. The futuristic look rocks, almost as much as that 'skeleton' thing the new entrance will be like.
-Chris
The available literature doesn't promise one, which suggests that it probably isn't in the cards. I suspect it wouldn't be a commonly used transfer, and extending the fare control that far west isn't a trivial matter.
http://www.straphangers.org/ubb/ultimatebb.php?ubb=get_topic;f=9;t=000380
An April Fool's joke??? I wonder.
Also, the R-32 sidesigns have the bullets in both Helvetica and Akzidenz.
I've always liked the Akzidenz R better.
But to go back on topic, i think that pic of the "11" is indeed a fake. :)
:0)
Then again, it might be this train:
Your pal,
Fred
If you want to see a REAL fools thread from RD, look at this one.
Til' next time,
(4) WoodlawnBowlingGreen
And as far as those services:
E - There's a very popular line with this designation...
H - Used to be the designation for the Far Rock shuttle.
I - Looks too much like a 1.
K - Used to be what the C is now, when the C used to be a rush-only line.
M - There's an M line as well...
O - Looks like a zero?
P - Exists on rollsigns, but New Yorkers are perverts. :P
T - Reserved for SAS, was at one time in service.
U - No idea.
X - Used to be used for a train to WTC. Not sure where it originated.
Y - No idea.
8 - Used to be the 3rd Avenue El, if I recall correctly.
Was that an IRT or BMT designation? Or both?
Read more about it here.
Your pal,
Fred
B. I was originally planning to put up that article on my website at midnight, but then opted for 9 PM.
C. Admit what? Is it a crime to post a fake photo on April fools day? You started the thread on it here...
I figured with all the nonsensical postings we have been getting lately everyone could use a laugh (and something to discuss).
When you post a fake picture (especially on AFD) at some point you are supposed to admit the joke (that the AFD rules).
8-10PM is the high traffic point of the day on my website, according to my statistics.
8-10PM is the high traffic point of the day on my website, according to my statistics.
-Ben Diamond (a.k.a. 4traintowoodlawn)
-Ben Diamond (a.k.a. 4traintowoodlawn)
-Ben Diamond (a.k.a. 4traintowoodlawn)
BTW, are you gonna be at the Quill tomorrow? Maybe I will. I'll E-mail you tonight.
Note that that's on a Redbird with marker lights ON.
They've even signed up Queensboro Plaza for it, complete with an express version on the trains' rollsigns. (You might want to adjust the brightness and contrast on your screen for this one. Look for a sign under the canopy.)
You can...
Know your Lineup
*DING*
Know your Northeast Corridor Interlocking Towers
*DING*
Know your Single Street Intersections in NYC
*DING*
Know your NORAC Signal Aspects
*DING*
Know your 70's Era Subway Route Colour Codes
*DING*
The first person to choose a category will have a question asked in that category which anyone on Subtalk can answer. The second person to choose one of the 4 remaining categories will have a question asked in that category which anyone on Subtalk can answer.
The first Subtalker to answer each question will WIN BIG*. Note, one Subtalker can only WIN BIG* on one question.
So....WHO WANT'S TO PLAY KNOW YOUR LINEUP??!!
*BIG is a relitive adjetive.
What are these NORAC Signal Aspect and the associated rules?
Right: Stop and stay. The bottom aspect is dark. Scream for help; get orders. If cleared to proceed, then proceed at Restricted Speed until the entire train has: 1. Passed a more favorable fixed signal. or 2. Entered non-signaled DCS territory or 3. Passed a location where a more favorable cab signal was received.
OR, the right-hand photo could have been taken when the bottom aspect was flashing, but "off." So it could be a limited clear,
Right: Stop and stay. The bottom aspect is dark. Scream for help; get orders. If cleared to proceed, then proceed at Restricted Speed until the entire train has: 1. Passed a more favorable fixed signal. or 2. Entered non-signaled DCS territory or 3. Passed a location where a more favorable cab signal was received.
OR, the right-hand photo could have been taken when the bottom aspect was flashing, but "off." So it could be a limited clear or medium approach.
Tricky!
Although the rule for the left signal is Rule 292: Stop Signal: Stop I'll give it to you for all the extra info.
Also, there is no way it could be LIMITED clear. The signal cannot display a straight aspect so from the position of the STOP with the APP SLOW you can infer that the gantry guards a 2 to 1 trailing point turnout. Both signals could never be cleared at the same time.
I'll send you an e-mail with your prize.
Thanks for playing, tune in next Thursday for KNOW YOUR LINEUP.
Track 2
Rule 292 NAME: STOP SIGNAL
Stop.
Too easy, but I had to look it up. And those are small sucker signals. So Medium Speed is like 45mph and Slow Speed is 30mph?
Give me those circle-RR ones any day, JM. Have any good photos of 'em?
Name the builder, type of equipment, and rail line where this piece of equipment is most likely to be found.
MBTA 1029
MBTX 901
Zero Code
Code 1
1. Drinking alcohol and/or using narcotics or drugs of any kind while on duty.
2. Reporting for duty while in custody of children, dogs, cats, or other pets.
3. Committing illegal, immoral, or indecent acts on or off the Authority's property.
4. Temporarily leaving assigned work location.
5. Improper use of Authority cash, float, or other financial instrument.
6. Parking of Authority owned non-revenue vehicles in car wash, car barn, or other servicing areas.
7. Reading any printed material, playing radios, tapes, CD's, television, MP3s while operating Authority vehicles.
8. Any boisterous whistling, shouting, or misconduct while operating Authority-owned cranes.
9. Dumping of home refuse in an Authority provided dumpster.
Your pal,
Fred
Is it really worded like that? It should be "Reporting for duty WITH custody of children, dogs, cats, or other pets." The original quote has the children and/or small animals in charge of the employee. My way at least puts the custodial relationship the correct way.
And Zero Code on the Red Line means? (Ask your Cabot friend)
I'll take Know your 70's Era Subway Route Colour Codes.
If this were the Late Show you'd win some sort of cift certificate to a restaurant, but it's not so until I think of something better you win a big gold route bullet.
Tune in next week for Know Your Lineup!!
Is that 100% true? The switches where the C train goes from Hoyt-Schermerhorn platflorm that it shares with the A to where it merges into the track that runs from Court St is right at the end of the platform. If the film train were to overshoot the station, it could potentially slam into a C train. Do they have to coordinate film train platforming with what is going on with the C train?
Its an NYCT T/O, to him it would be like making any other stop.
Unless he was going too fast, he wouldn't slam into a C.
It's a signal-protected move. There is no more danger than when
an express is crossing in front of a platforming local at any
typical IND station.
Jim.
Ben F. Schumin :-)
Why not? They are hauling garbage on the MOD trips as well.
Now you're just being craaazy ....
Ahhh, I set you up and you take it home.
-Ben Diamond (a.k.a. 4traintowoodlawn)
Yes, I know what drugs look like, as I go to a cocane infested school and pot is childs play there.
Is drug use this rampant among T/o's?
-Ben Diamond (a.k.a. 4traintowoodlawn)
Make mine Bambu, please.
A cigar, but with marijuana instead of tobacco.
(Learned this in my BS high school health class - people watch Jay & Silent Bob to frequently :)
And NO, I didn't ... but it was done. However, this story ought to keep the beakies busy. Heh.
Yes, I'm sure they are getting out the old security camera tapes and reviewing them as we speak....
---Sir Ronald of McDonald
Some went home for the 6 hours, others hit the gin mills. Sometimes when I'd go to collect my put-in, I'd see some guys off between trains passing around a brake handle upside down. Didn't quite know what that was about until years later. They were using the damned things as HASH PIPES! :(
Wish I could say I was surprised, but I'm not. All I can tell ya is that I wasn't with the railroad long enough to get complacent or stupid. Had I known, I *would* have reported them. Over the years, I've seem some people who CAN handle that - but damned few. I can almost see a conductor getting away with smoking a doobie before another boring repetitive run - but a motorperson? Wow. NO way. :(
Regards,
Jimmy :/
If not, it's an insult to Train Operators everywhere, and, April Fool or not, is not funny in the least.
David
David
He was only rolling it (not using), and the tone of the title of the thread is more casual and it isn't " I saw a train operator with drugs!!!!!"
If anything, have some fun in this thread
This isn't funny. You made serious accusations about a motorman. It's not something to joke about and I personally feel that all such reports here of improper things seen do not belong on this messageboard. They give this place a reputation for having a bunch of snitches who are looking to get people in trouble. If I were working for transit, I wouldn't want to have anything to do with railfans, if they can't keep their mouths shut on a public messageboard.
Elias
Could've fooled me.
Peace,
ANDEE
On the contrary if you saw someone rolling it than you saw him with it! Personally, I find your story lacks any credibility and I'm suprised that anyone here has given it any validity at all. The idea that a person would do what you allege, in plain view of the public, not to mention supervisors, managers and co-workers is beyond rediculous. This doesn't have to be a totally serious venue. there's room for humor and satire if some want to post it. However, I don't think anyone should want to wade around in your garbage.
On the contrary if you saw someone rolling it than you saw him with it! Personally, I find your story lacks any credibility and I'm suprised that anyone here has given it any validity at all. The idea that a person would do what you allege, in plain view of the public, not to mention supervisors, managers and co-workers is beyond rediculous. This doesn't have to be a totally serious venue. there's room for humor and satire if some want to post it. However, I don't think anyone should want to wade around in your garbage.
And people think the city is bad....
Brings to mind the TV commercial that said something to the effect that "40%" of drug use is in urban areas, and asking the viewer to "Guess where the other 60% is?" and showing some kids in a cul-de-sac somewhere in suburbia...
It's true though, I think the burbs got much more of a drug/drinking problem than the city. Every class I'm in someone is talking about how they were piss drunk the night before. There a lot that also come into class stoned off their ass, but they're fun to screw around with.
Out here (in the middle of nowhere... Meth is the biggie. Kids can cook it up from local farm chemicals and OTC stuff. Need a HazMat team to clean up after them.
Insurance pays for 30 days of rehab. Damn stuff takes 180 days to get out of your system. Takes six months in jail to clean a kid up, or would if the stuff were not getting into the jails anyway.
Elias
How is that different from any work situation? And do you really believe them when they say "I was so piss drunk last night"?
AEM7
Makes me miss the city in a way, the people I grew up with seem like saints and super straight edge(even if they were drunks). It wasn't until outside the city, that I swear 100% of the people did something, even if it was just pot. And a few of the people I remember when I was growing up, or maybe it was right after high school told me to just drink and don't do anything else. I guess that's why I brought the average # of drug users down to 98% instead 99%.
And yes, the cocaine thing is true too
Oh, and we also had a freshman down a whole bottle of vodka and pass out a few weeks ago in one the schools staircases.
Did he piss his pants???
Also, from more than 5 feet away I doubt anyone could tell the difference between pot and tobacco.
Peace,
ANDEE
That thought occurred to me too. But are T/Os allowed to smoke while driving?
Peace,
ANDEE
(some folks need Rapid Transit 101 around here!)
But museum visitors (as well as IDIOTS who know NOTHING about trains) actually believe that when they see one, it's a steering wheel and when they DON'T see one, they STILL think the motorperson/engineer/driver has the ability to steer around their stupidity. :)
WEIRDEST damned things were the PCC's (looking back from being born AFTER their heyday) ... everything ABOUT them was a BUS (that GM stole the design for rubber-tired streetcars notwithstanding) except for one MAJOR difference I learned as a kid when I had the opportunity to run a few PCC's on Saturdays on the Newark City Subway (ain't been IN a PCC *since* Newark) was that this BUS had no STEERING WHEEL! Instead, it had like a towel rack on the console which you could hold onto because those babies were PEPPY ... FAR more peppy than *ANY* NYC subway car in acceleration AND braking. If you pushed the pedal, that sucker was there for *YOU* to hold on. Heh.
SO hopefully that explains my madness - those who have operated or ridden PCC's know of which I speak. I *LOVED* those things almost as much as Lo-V's and arnines ...
PCC's were BMT fare, weren't they?
Speaking of the BMT, what do you call your 'favorite.' I can see you've established your Lo-V's and Arnines...
Sorry for my bent on politics as a sideline to how they affect the rails - I come here to enjoy the *TECH* and the *WAR STORIES* ... both have fallen off since our LEADERS would rather we wear diapers than "OK, if these greasa-balls wanna phuck with us, let's break their frigging KNEECAPS and be done with the shivering and panic-attacks". Sorry, TERRORISM is ALL ABOUT making people chit their drawers. And when our OWN GOVERNMENT ENCOURAGES IT, then SCWOO "communism" and all THAT meant - our own LEADERS are traitors when they try to tell us that we *MUST* fear and then RE-ELECT the bastards for PUTTING us here. *TRUE* leaders tell us that "terrorists want us to LIVE IN FEAR ... the ONLY way to combat it is to not GIVE a qwap and move ON with our lives." Instead we have the GOP ad blitz and "well - this SUMMER we're all gonna die." *DAMNED* disappointed in our Depends-wearing leaders and Dick Cheney PERMANENTLY in his damned spider hole except for photo-ops with OIL EXECS. HELL ... if Dick Cheney and our Shrub lives in fear, how can't *WE*? :(
Anyhoo, when I don't have anything to contribute (few folks are interested in "traction past") about all there *IS* for me to get off on is politics. And as long as we have these PHAGS in power in DC and SMALLBANY, we're not ALLOWED to get into the nitty-gritty ... like photography, it's ALL "prohibited thought" ... POLITICS at least *is* still protected - it's my ONLY remaining "approved rulebook" ... :)
As to the BMT, I'm a BRONX boy ... BMT were WIMPS ... they wouldn't DARE come our way. Heh. About all I ever saw remaining of the "old BMT" was the Standards and the bastardized Q cars ... and SOME weird old thing with SINGLE doors and a four-paned weird window in it that I never saw anywhere else ... dunno what it was, but I remember it. If I had to make a choice though, HANDS DOWN I loved the Q's on the Myrtle as OUT AND OUT CHARMING ... then I saw 1227 at Branford which is what the Q's "reverse-evolutioned" from ... for ALL of my favorite BMT, it would *have* to be 1227 at Branford ... the Q's on the MYRT though got second place ... never really saw much else ... :(
OH YEAH! PCC'S!
http://www.nycsubway.org/us/pcc/
Wish I had a "cab shot" to show ya ... but I'm SO old, we didn't have cameras in my day. Heh.
But I remember a single-panel door with four little windows in it like those hopeless old houses had ... all speckled green on the door.
And yes, the C units had single doors with four panes. Unlike the Triplexes, whose doors slid into pockets, the doors on the Cs swung sideways and remained on the outside of the car, similar to Denver's 16th Street Mall shuttlebuses.
Arigato gozaimasu!
Out of curiosity though, where did you get the console shot from? It's everything I remember ... AMAZING how buses stole every nuance of the design of PCC's back in the Mack/GM days. :)
But NCS was where I got me some PCC "pedal time" back in the 1960's. I'm not sure if #6 was on the rails at the time, but they were all painted in the Public Service varnish way back then ...
------------ rerun alert! -------------
Apologies for that ... there's so LITTLE here that really interests me these days - I *worked* transit for a very short period of my life, and looking back after all the years, I'm interested in things beyond "foaming" ... I've personally gotten into the technical discussions (when rarely they occur), but THANKS to Jeff and Dave B, and a few others here for the SIGNALS trips! Thanks go out also to Unca Peter and Train Dude (when not wasting time arguing with those he doesn't care for) for the "propulsky" and "numbers" treats ... and to my fellow CURRENT TWU brothers and sisters for a look inside as to where the MTA went from when they didn't even KNOW they owned a subway to now.
Sorry for my bent on politics as a sideline to how they affect the rails - I come here to enjoy the *TECH* and the *WAR STORIES* ... both have fallen off since our LEADERS would rather we wear diapers than "OK, if these greasa-balls wanna phuck with us, let's break their frigging KNEECAPS and be done with the shivering and panic-attacks". Sorry, TERRORISM is ALL ABOUT making people chit their drawers. And when our OWN GOVERNMENT ENCOURAGES IT, then SCWOO "communism" and all THAT meant - our own LEADERS are traitors when they try to tell us that we *MUST* fear and then RE-ELECT the bastards for PUTTING us here. *TRUE* leaders tell us that "terrorists want us to LIVE IN FEAR ... the ONLY way to combat it is to not GIVE a qwap and move ON with our lives." Instead we have the GOP ad blitz and "well - this SUMMER we're all gonna die." *DAMNED* disappointed in our Depends-wearing leaders and Dick Cheney PERMANENTLY in his damned spider hole except for photo-ops with OIL EXECS. HELL ... if Dick Cheney and our Shrub lives in fear, how can't *WE*? :(
Anyhoo, when I don't have anything to contribute (few folks are interested in "traction past") about all there *IS* for me to get off on is politics. And as long as we have these PHAGS in power in DC and SMALLBANY, we're not ALLOWED to get into the nitty-gritty ... like photography, it's ALL "prohibited thought" ... POLITICS at least *is* still protected - it's my ONLY remaining "approved rulebook" ... :)
As to the BMT, I'm a BRONX boy ... BMT were WIMPS ... they wouldn't DARE come our way. Heh. About all I ever saw remaining of the "old BMT" was the Standards and the bastardized Q cars ... and SOME weird old thing with SINGLE doors and a four-paned weird window in it that I never saw anywhere else ... dunno what it was, but I remember it. If I had to make a choice though, HANDS DOWN I loved the Q's on the Myrtle as OUT AND OUT CHARMING ... then I saw 1227 at Branford which is what the Q's "reverse-evolutioned" from ... for ALL of my favorite BMT, it would *have* to be 1227 at Branford ... the Q's on the MYRT though got second place ... never really saw much else ... :(
OH YEAH! PCC'S!
http://www.nycsubway.org/us/pcc/
Wish I had a "cab shot" to show ya ... but I'm SO old, we didn't have cameras in my day. Heh.
Christ, it isn't like he was snorting one of those blue pill thingies...
Yea, a lot like tobacco.
Judging by your post over on BUSTALK, about the operator running a red light, I'd say this is nothing more than a lame attempt at an April Fool joke, anyway.
Peace,
ANDEE
Or, the old-fashioned way: go to any station agent and he/she will exchange it for you.
You have a year to do this.
(lol)
well-- although this isnt allowed id like
MON-A
TUE-N
WED-F
THU-J or M
FRI-B
-Chris
D to Brighton Beach!!!
Don't Know Why. Nostalgia no doubt for something that never was.
Elias
as a c/r, i would do the g train.........
I think I'd go with the L.
(4) WoodlawnBowlingGreen
The Jerome Avenue line would OK.
N, Q, W, B, V
On another topic late last week while drivin on the Belt Parkway I saw trains going into Coney Island on the Brighton tracks. Does anyone know what they were doing ? Were they testing something ?
Vince
Now if ur talking about the Culver F train, then maybe yes you would see some testing happening, After all Stillwell is opening in a month and a half, and they did lay down all NEW Tracks i believe between west 8th st and Stillwell ON THE F , Im not sure about the Q though..
Usually F when F's terminate at Avenue X, they use the ramp track to "city/Av X " Yard, to relay off of. Also some trains head towards coney island on the regular local track, and then dump by the 10 car marker, there are lit bumpers on top of there too. Basically the F can go as south as to the VERY BEGINNING of the BASEBALL FIELd on Shell rd....
Cant help u with the F express though---- sorry...
D to Brighton Beach!!!
There is no switch after 4 Av going onto the s/b express tracks until Church Av. Chances are the train was cleared away and that's why your train made all regular stops [or a battery run].
I don't really know commuter rail. Are those locos supposed to be paired up with those MNRR cars sitting there?
~~ Reggie D.
Reggie D.
Reggie Dunbar Jr.
Sorry... I was addressing "RSTN," not you.
Your pal,
Fred
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-Ben Diamond (a.k.a. 4traintowoodlawn)
-Chris
http://www.davesrailpix.com/nyc/bqte.htm
There's some very interesting stuff there, including the below photo of #1000 prior to the accident which destroyed its original front end. There's also a photo of work car #9813, which looks a lot like #1792 at Branford. That got me to thinking - was #1792 ever rebuilt into a work car, or did Branford acquire it straight out of passenger service? For that matter, when did Branford get it? Thanks.
Frank Hicks
Frank Hicks
http://www.nytimes.com/2004/04/02/arts/design/02INSI.html
Peace,
ANDEE
Peace,
ANDEE
I'm sure if somebody scored this bill to figure out which states were getting an "unfair" advantage, they'd be all of the projected swing states in the upcoming election.
CG
Watch what happens after the RNC. You probably won't see Bush in NYS again more than two or three times before the election (and those times will be in already Republican districts). You won't see much of Kerry either -- he'll just stop by the heavily Democratic areas for some token campaigning.
Yet they'll be in states like Michigan, Florida and even California on a weekly basis.
CG
If it's a very close election, probably only Florida, Ohio, and (to a much lesser extent) W Va and NH matter at all. Kerry has to win everything Gore won, and one or more of those states.
If you vote Republican, then you want more highways and less rail. Are we supposed to vote this way to get pork every now and then? We are never going to be one of those swing states which is why we have to vote for those who are working to improve public transportation.
Absolutely true. Unfortunately, I can't see how this ever will change.
Let me see if I can get thes straight.
You got a Republican Govenor,
You got a Republican State House,
You got a Republican Mayor...
And the Republicans have written you off...
And the Democrats are taking you for Granted???
Interesting
NY's Democratic congressional contingent knows they are for the most part invincible -- look at the margins of victory they typically put up. 92-8 and 87-13 are much more the norm than 53-47. People who win by margins like this just don't have the incentive to bring home the bacon for their districts. "Taken for granted" doesn't do justice to the way some of these folks have failed their constituents.
Don't even get me started on the entrenchment related failings of the State Assembly and Senate
It works both ways. You'll see the same things working in Republican states as well -- places like Montana or Arizona rarely get disproportionately high pork in election years.
CG
New York is 100% guaranteed to go Democratic in presidential elections. I cannot imagine any campaign mistake that could cause John Kerry to lose New York this November. Nor, for that matter, is there anything good that Bush could do that could propel him to victory here.
Also note that New York's Congressional delegation is mostly Democratic, with its senators among the most liberal in Washington.
Not New York City.
In close elections since Teddy Roosevelt's time, NY has always gone Democratic. Therefore, both parties can safely ignore NY. If the Democrat can't take NY for granted, he has no chance of winning anyway. If the Republican has a chance of winning NY, he has no worries about the election anyway.
It seems to me that in matters of resource allocation, states that are reliably Republican, and even most states that are reliably Democratic, don't do as poorly.
In any event, I was contacted by a reporter for some data on how the Bush Administration is treating NYC. I fed him what I had, though good data lags and it's too soon to tell. The summary of what I told him:
1) Pro-Bush argument: Congress screws NYC (witness the allocation of homeland defense aid), so tax cuts (less money out of NYC) is better than spending (more money out of NYC than comes back), especially if NYC and state raise taxes on the same people (as they have), keeping the money at home.
2) Anti-Bush argument: Bush and the Republicans are on a spending spree in categories that New York gets little of (federal education aid, farm aid, defense, Medicare drug benefit) and are belatedly trying to offset this by cutting categories NYC gets more of (housing, AMTRAK, transit).
3) Acid test -- federal funding for East Side Access and the SAS. Manhattan accounts for 50 percent of the private sector earnings in all of New York State, and it is this economic engine that sends $20 billion more to the federal government than we get back (not including the federal surplus thrown off by NJ and CT commuters to Manhattan). Now it has some needs. Invest in the asset, or cash cow it?
But yeah, the excuses from the party of our leaders is nothing short of "huh????!"
From 1980 to 1992 we had a Republican President and a Democratic Congress. New York got screwed.
From 1992 to 1994 we had a Democratic President and an Democratic Congress. New York got screwed.
From 1994 to 2000 we had a Democratic President and a Republican Congress. New York got screwed.
And from 2000 to 2004 we've had a Republican President and a Republican Congress. New York got screwed.
See a pattern here? Don't vote for Democrats and Republicans.
Between 1980 and 1986, Congress was split, the Senate was Republican and the House was Democratic. Also 2001-2002, but the other way around.
I'm not a member, nor do I support everything that's said. Interesting slant though.
Your pal,
Fred
Your pal,
Fred
Not only that, many people who work in Manhattan live in Connecticut. Imagine if they had to cross through U.S. Customs every time they went to work or to visit NY? They would certainly be screwed under an independent New England unless Fairfield and New Haven Counties were to be split off from the rest of CT. And that would screw the rest of the CT, because SW CT has been where most of the state's growth has been occuring. CT would lose a lot from New England splitting off from the rest of the US.
Your pal,
Fred
Do you think Canada or Australia will be accepting immigrants in 2008? I really would like to know, for my own sake, just in case.
BARFFFffffff
http://www.utu.org/worksite/detail_news.cfm?ArticleID=13022
Vote republican ... see how well it works? :(
#3 West End Jeff
#3 West End Jeff
#3 West End Jeff
Of course it does. It used to be a swamp.
They drained it and built a city there.
Elias
My condolences. Where can we send flowers?
(4) WoodlawnBowlingGreen
I don't think there was one.
Version one is the 106 mile system including the under construction New York Avenue station and the Blue line G route extension. (59.6 KB GIF)
Version two has the same as above plus the Tyson, Dulles Loudoun county Silver line M Route as shown in Draft Environmental Impact Statement. (70.6 KB GIF)
The print version will be CAD version on a modified D size single sheet plot 24" X 72" (60.96cm X 182.88cm). For those of you that have the CAD version an updated CAD version will be available when the print version is completed.
John
Maybe it was only a Dunkin' Donut *cup*
Perhaps she was really drinking transformer oil.
Maybe sh is the new Mark-1 Mod-0 Droid that the TA will use to replace T/Os...
Did you see if she had a data input port on the side of her head?
Spock.
I am certain that no matter how things bet betweeen labor and management, most of labor will agree about a safe and sober workforce.
Elias
They are all dumb and funny.
Go back to old service patterns. Have Broadway serve the Canarsie line from Broadway Junction. With modifications Have L trains Go from 8th ave - Jamaica Center Via new fly over tracks.
Years ago there used to be short turns there.
Didn't the L once run expresses between Myrtle and Bedford Avenues ?
wayne
But, did the L ever run express between Myrtle and Bedford Avenues, and, if so, what was its BMT route number ?
The Canarsie Line express was something my dad remembered, probably from the 1940's.
wayne
The 8th Ave terminal isn't at full capacity right now. It can certainly handle 20 tph and possibly even 24.
I'm sure they are planning to increase it to 18 tph, when CBTC is installed. This increase will then be used as a justification for the entire CBTC project.
Flatbush Ave gets 12 2s and 6 5s.
Besides, no other stub terminal (except 42nd on the 7th, which of course has tail tracks) needs to handle more than 15 tph, so the fact that they don't is not proof that they can't.
I think you mean 12 5's and 8 2's. I'm sure that there are more #5's to/from Flatbush than #2's during rush hours.
That's one extreme example. The only other might be Van Cortland Park. So perhaps 8th Ave. could handle 18 TPH.
How so? 12 #3's and 8 #2's = 20 express TPH. Perhaps we need to consult the actual schedules.
10-12 5s
12 2s
9 3s
All occupying the same few feet of local track at Rogers Jct.
Congratulations! If your observations are correct you have observed a piece of NYCT track operating at over 30 tph.
10 #5's
8 #2's
12 #3's
My experiences with the #5 on the Nostrand Ave. line are almost exclusively in the AM, where the Rogers St. interlocking logjam isn't an issue.
There are 12 2s per hour in the AM rush. All go to Flatbush.
Not according to the #2's schedule on the MTA's website. Northbound 2's leave every 12 minutes to 6:30 AM, then every 10 to 7 AM, then every 7.5 minutes to 8:08, then "every 6 to 8 minutes" until 10 AM. The #5 also runs at a similiar headway, so the combined service from Flatbush never exceeds 16 TPH.
The logjam is the local tracks (northbound and southbound alike) through Rogers, where all West Side trains and all Nostrand branch trains converge. If the northbound local track indeed carried 12 tph on the 5 in the morning rush, it would only be able to carry a maximum of 18 tph on the 2 and 3 combined.
Between 8 and 9am, there are 8 5's and 9 2's out of Flatbush, and they merge with 8 or 9 3's at Rogers.
"I think you mean 12 5's and 8 2's. I'm sure that there are more #5's to/from Flatbush than #2's during rush hours. "
I meant what I said. There are 12 tph on the 2 at rush hour and they all go to/from Flatbush. There are 12 tph on the 5 at rush hour and as far as I can tell from the schedule half of them go to/from Flatbush.
Arti
THAT wasn't the issue. The issue is to run the same number of trains from 8th Avenue, but to short turn some of them back at Myrtle.
AM Advantage: Southbounds are running almost empty, turn half of them back at Myrtle, maybe even bingo some full trains non-stop from Myrtle to Lorimer and then to Broadway, let a short-turned train follow making the local stops with an empty train.
PM Advantage: Run (LL) local to Myrtle, run (L) Express to Canarsie. Short turn the local back to 8th to pick up another load.
DISADVANTAGE: Going to STUFF-up the lion while fumigating the geese!
Net Gain: ZERO!
Why do you say that? I hung out there for half an hour about 6 months ago in the evening rush, and there were periods of about 90 seconds in every 4 minute cycle where nothing was happening, and a train could have left and another arrived, had they been scheduled to do so.
Yes, that is my understanding.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/4652851/
It was
Airline security is like fare control -- once you're within the gated area, you're good to go.
Nice metaphor. Just like fare control, there are places that aren't behind the same security barrier as another. Like Bleecker Street (and many others).
Besides, you would kill just as many people via bomb attacks on the crowds waiting at the security checkpoints as you would in the trains themselves. It's called the wack-a-mole effect. Such measures will not save a single life. The terrorists would just move to crowded night clubs, bars, churches, malls, etc. If you want to secure everything you should just assign a security screener to every member of the population like the frikin buddy system.
Ah, the buddy system. Foolproof.
I only detailed Additions to the subway. I didnt give any Specific Routings or new designations to new lines, You can figure it out. What do you think. (Too lazy to put too much detail into it)
I only detailed Additions to the subway. I didnt give any Specific Routings or new designations to new lines, You can figure it out. What do you think. (Too lazy to put too much detail into it)
This is more than a fantasy map. It's a fantasy world. You just screw whomever you see fit.
And there are implications outside the Rockaways. Rock Park passengers unwilling to put up with the new three-seat ride will opt for the Q35 to the 2/5 in greater numbers -- and isn't the 2/5 crowded enough already?
But regardless of how many times the average passenger transfers, your proposal increases that count by one for nearly all Rockaway (and Broad Channel and Howard Beach) passengers. Passengers who made one transfer now have to make two. Passengers who made two transfers now have to make three.
I notice that your proposal doesn't increase your transfer count.
The following stats are taken from David Fairthorne's List, posted some time ago:
Annual Fare Registrations for Far Rockaway Line stations:
Beach 67 st: 462,078
Beach 60 st: 599,751
Beach 44 st: 116,154
Beach 36 st: 186,328
Beach 25 st: 504,305
Far Rockaway Mott Ave: 1,315,459
Thats 3,184,075 annual fare registrations. These people have direct service to manhattan presently, and they have it for a reason. You don't think that NYCT would just send all A trains to Lefferts if they could?
Then, we have to note that Rockaway Park Customers use this service too:
Beach 90: 315,225
Beach 98: 245,995
Beach 105: 82,571
Beach 116: 339,050
All totalled, that's: 4,166,916
Here's the #'s for The Liberty branch:
104th: 562,537
111th: 770,071
Lefferts Blvd: 2,204,209
3,536,817 is the total. I haven't even counted stations not on the Rockaways, and that branch still outweighs Liberty.
The Rockaways are obviously deserving of Full-time Manhattan service.
(As a reminder, the Howard Beach buses stop inside AirTrain fare control. I will find the time to be there. Will you?)
Using the fantasy map provided make the following changes:
1. Cut "G" service back to JFK-Howard Beach.
2. Retain the current "A" train to Far Rockaway.
3. Run the "R" train via his connector line from Queens Blvd to the A/C connection at Rockaway Blvd and on to Rockaway Park. Make the "R" train express throughout Queens, scaling a different Queens Blvd. line train back to local. OR institute a new or revised service beginning at the terminal of the 2nd Ave line, via the 63rd Street tunnel, via Queens Blvd and the fantasy connector to Rockaway Park. (In this case the "G" line would be cut back to its present Court House Square location or Queens Plaza to make room for the new 2nd Ave-Queens Blvd-Rockaway Park line.)
The net effect for the Rockaways is that single ride service to Manhattan is retained from Far Rockaway via 8th Ave and instituted from Rockaway Park via Broadway or 2nd Ave.
I haven't deeply considered traffic or commuting patterns, TPH density on the Queens Blvd line, and so on. It is just an idea to resolve the Rockaways issue by providing single ride from both Rockaway termini.
On a different note. One idea I did like was to continue the top of the 2nd Avenue line crosstown to the 8th Ave line under 125th Street. I have proposed this myself on Subtalk in the past. It would provide convenient transfers for East Side service for those using north-south lines west of Lexington Ave. and north of 125th St (upper Manhattan and the Bronx).
I also like the idea of a line connecting the Bronx with Flushing, Jamaica, and SE Queens. Continuing with the idea of providing convenient transfers between regions, I would, however, continue the line west in the Bronx to cross all north-south lines as far west as the 1/9 line (rather than having it meander back NE to Pelham Park. Your extension from 205th Street to Pelham Park would seem to be a good alternate for the NE). Again this would give all subway users in the Bronx convenient transfer directly to the Queens service without the necessity of entering Manhattan.
When? My unlimited expired so I won't actually ride the subway, but I can do the Airtrain and shuttle bus.
Not to mention that 2/5 service would have to be increased, and we already know that it can't turn so many trains to begin with. Then you have the Q35, which is spotty at times and would add time to the commute anyway so it all adds up to disaster and frustration.
Or I'll cheap out and post strip maps.
Any interest in re-activating Woodhaven Junction, between your new Rockaway Line, and the Brooklyn LIRR that runs under Atlantic Avenue ? Or in re-opening the Woodhaven station on Brooklyn LIRR ?
Looks like you've got a spanking new Main St. Lefferts line connecting with IND Fulton, BMT Jamaica, Queens Blvd-Hillside Ave. IND and IRT Flushing lines, and tunnelling under the East River to the Bronx.
Interesting backward "C" curling into JFK Airport from Liberty Ave and Lefferts Blvd.
What's that taking off southeast from Parsons / Archer / Jamaica Center ?
Why not extend Brooklyn elevated IRt east from New Lots to your new Rockaway Line ?
May have groundwater problems continuing IRT south underground from Flatbush and Nostrand.
Can't comment on your new Main St. line's connections in the Bronx.
I think it's more realistic than that Staten Island fantasy map, and one of the most original pieces of graphics I've seen on SubTalk in awhile.
subway lines generally have more stops than a railroad
May have groundwater problems continuing IRT south underground from Flatbush and Nostrand.
Haven't most of the 'plans'/fantasies involving extending the IRT been in the form of an elevated structure?
Can't comment on your new Main St. line's connections in the Bronx.
I will- why not just have the 'X' go straight under Bronx Park and join the Concourse at BPB? Perhaps even terminate there? could have a nice station right next to the Botanic Garden there..
Some of these extended lines are awful long for operational purposes-you would almost have to change crews midway on some of them! Not to mention the extra running stock needed to maintain peak service..
"In actuality that line would go straight down to the airport parallel to the Van Wyck Expressway along Sutphin Blvd and 150th St."
Connecting to and serving the North Passenger Terminal, Federal Building, and Customs ? Bus service there currently ?
Any connections to LIRR Western Montauk (LIC) Branch at Jamaica Avenue and Lefferts Blvd. ?
It's not impossible, as some would have you believe.
Regardless of how easy a transfer it would be, subway platforms can't hold 2 to 3 trains at the same time. That's how people get hurt.
Not only that.
An idea for you:
First: Think - "what do i want to know"
Second: Think - "have i forgot something"
Third: Think - "do other people understand, what i want"
Finally: post
You say:
17 bus lines
Headaway between 15 and 30 minutes
The stop can handle 2 or 3 busses
And that are exact informations to give you an answer?????
1) How many busses can exact handle the stop? 2 or 3?
2) What is the exact headaway of each bus line?
3) From where to where run the lines?
4) Which way are the passengers transfering between the lines?
(avoid overcrowding of the stop / short waiting time for the connecting
bus)
Now buses 22/24/35x/82 and 87 layover there but alittle bit up so other buses can come in. Then they just move up.
Since this is SubTalk not BusTalk, you're at the wrong address.
Post this there and you may be get answers.
I saw a T/O post to Subtalk -- from their house, not while on duty.
AEM7
People freakin roll blunts in physics, but no one goes " (teacher) Look at (him/her) WHAT IS (he/she) doing!!"
Lighten up peeps.
1. The lives of the Conductor and the passengers are in the hands of the Train Operator.
2. Millions of dollars in property (train and right-of-way) are in the hands of the Train Operator.
3. Possession of marijuana is against the law.
4. A Train Operator found in possession of marijuana could be fired, should he or she have a history of such incidents (as I stated in the original thread, NYCT has an Employee Assistance Program that offers a chance to correct an abuse problem -- but nobody gets an infinite number of chances).
5. Many of us here are NYCT employees or employees of other transit agencies, and any allegation that a transit system employee is in possession of an illegal substance makes us all look bad.
In short, if the initial post was made in all seriousness, than it's a matter that needs to be addressed by the Train Operator's supervisors. If it was made in jest, than it should not have been made at all and I hope nobody here will make a fake accusation like this ever again.
David
MBTA TRAIN JAMS, DRAGS WOMAN, 19
A 19-year-old woman was dragged 250 feet hanging out of an MBTA Green Line train after the door of the subway car jammed on her leg, according to published reports.
Kate Joyce, a Boston University student, was hospitalized for four days with neck, leg and arm injuries after the incident last week.
Joyce allegedly fell asleep on a Green Line train and woke up to find the car empty at the Riverside Station. She was unable to contact the conductor and pulled the emergency lever for the train to come to a stop. Before she could fully exit the train, the door shut on her leg, causing her to be dragged. Joyce managed to push herself from the train door aand get free.
An MBTA spokesman told WHDH that already one employee is facing disciplinary action.
Bill
(4) WoodlawnBowlingGreen
The branch that runs under 125th Would turn onto St. Nicholas Ave, and Run up to Washington Heights.
I'd make the queens service run to brooklyn.
My service pattern looked like this:
(T)- 168th Washington Heights or Dyckman St to Whitehall/Hanover Square. All times. Nights only to 125th/Lex.
(B)- 179th Hillside to Brighton Beach. Via 63rd/2nd av subway/Manhattan Bridge. Express on Hillside, And Brighton. Weekdays only.
(Q)-125th lex (or to Bronx) to Coney Island, via upper 2nd av, 63rd, Broadway exp, Manhattan Bridge, Brighton Local.
(K)-Parsons/Archer to Bedford Park Boulevard, Via Broadway Bklyn, Williamsburg bridge, Chrystie St connection, 6th av express, CPW local. Middays to 145th. Peak direction express from Bdwy Junction to Marcy. Weekdays only.
(J)- Skip stop service eliminated.
(E) trains reduced to 12 tph (F) trains reduced to
10 tph. (V) trains reduced to 8 tph.
U: LaGuardia A'prt Terminal B - Gateway Center Mall
rush hours extended to Terminal D
Astoria Blvd/Steinway St Lcl, 63 St, 2 Av Exp, Manhattan Bridge, Flatbush Av Lcl, Av U/Seaview Av Lcl
Nights Atlantic Av/Pacific St - Gateway Center
X: 149 St/3 Av - Coney Island
rush hours, peak direction super-express service to/from Co-Op City; skips 97 St, 57 St, and Kings Highway
2 Av Exp, Manhattan Bridge, skips DeKalb Av, 4 Av Exp, Sea Beach Exp
Weekdays only
Y: ??? NJ - Chambers/Centre St
??? ???, Washington Hts Lcl, 125 St, 2 Av Lcl
Nights to Grand/Chrystie St only
I think you've got too much service on Broadway. I also don't think that there should be any NYCT trains to Jersey. Finally, your 7/11 southward extension should not swing east only to come back west.
Otherwise, I like it.
I used Paint Shop Pro 8. When I started it I immediately realized the map was too small, so the first thing I did was Image->Resize and I enlarged it by 200%.
Also the base map is somewhat distorted; the 7/11 doesn't swing that far east.
Where they run in the CBD.
Thus, If I say Broadway, I mean The N/R line.
If I were referring to another Broadway, I'd specialize it (B'way Brooklyn, Broadway IRT, etc.)
(4) WoodlawnBowlingGreen
-Of course, we know a Jersey line is next to impossible but nice creativity 8-).
-(1)/(9) While I like the thought of an peak direction express using the <9>, it has too much service. And at 242 St, the terminal would have to be redesigned in order to make the 17/27 routing possible.
-(8) I notice that you have a terminal at Botanic Garden. I think you could have trains still serve the Botanic Garden then make a turn back to Bedford Park Blvd.
-(11) Is that via 9 Av or 10 Av? Good idea. Also no need to have it terminate part time at 207 St if yo could build a transfer to the 1 at Dyckman St.
-<18>I think that 241 St doesn't need all of those trains. Since the 18 is the rush hour service, bring that to Dyre Av or via the 17/27 and create some new options for riders in the Bronx and Manhattan.
-(K) Seeing that you utilize the Chrystie connector, I see that you haven't really gotten to Brooklyn yet but where would the K go?
-(U)(X)(Y) Making the X stand for express eh ;-). I could imagine how much relief the Lexington Av line and the M15 will experience with this idea. Utilizing Chamebrs St as an ultramodal transportation hub is an excellent idea. I also notice that yo have the X along the Concourse line, how about just running it via Webster Av having high speed service in the Bronx then letting it stop at Bedford Park Blvd THEN join the B train to what I assume will be Co-op City.
One more thing, if you're bold enough have a service from the Nassau line that could utilize the Manhattan Bridge by reconnecting the Nassau loop :-).
I re-designed the interlocking between 238th and 242nd and 242nd has a 2-track upper level.
-(8) I notice that you have a terminal at Botanic Garden. I think you could have trains still serve the Botanic Garden then make a turn back to Bedford Park Blvd.
Fordham University students will love having the subway stopping right in front of their dorm doors. :) It would have to go right through the building...
-(11) Is that via 9 Av or 10 Av? Good idea. Also no need to have it terminate part time at 207 St if yo could build a transfer to the 1 at Dyckman St.
It's via 10 (Amsterdam) Av north of 42nd, and 11 Av/Hudson St south of 42 St. Also looking at a street map it appears that the Broadway Line and 10th Ave are closer than I thought, maybe a transfer at Dyckman would work.
-(K) Seeing that you utilize the Chrystie connector, I see that you haven't really gotten to Brooklyn yet but where would the K go?
Rockaway Park (not way). I know, it sounds kinda odd, but you'll see when I finish it.
One more thing, if you're bold enough have a service from the Nassau line that could utilize the Manhattan Bridge by reconnecting the Nassau loop :-).
Wouldn't fit...I already have six and a half(!) services on the Manhattan Bridge, I don't think it could handle any more. As it is I'm racking my brain trying to figure out how to divide the 56 TPH between the B, D, Q, T, U, and X lines. (56 TPH is the theoretical capacity of the Manhattan Bridge, if they were able to squeeze 28 out of one side. Gold Interlocking has 2 additional tracks, which bypass DeKalb deep under Flatbush Ave, to accomodate the additional service.)
B - 9
D - 9
Q - 9
T - 9
U - 8
X - 12 [(X) - 6, <X> - 6]
I see you love HTML formatting don't you? :)
I was wondering how that would of been able to been pulled off.
Wouldn't fit...I already have six and a half(!) services on the Manhattan Bridge, I don't think it could handle any more. As it is I'm racking my brain trying to figure out how to divide the 56 TPH between the B, D, Q, T, U, and X lines. (56 TPH is the theoretical capacity of the Manhattan Bridge, if they were able to squeeze 28 out of one side. Gold Interlocking has 2 additional tracks, which bypass DeKalb deep under Flatbush Ave, to accomodate the additional service.)
I see. Wow, 56tph on the Manny-B now that's putting it to the max. Why not just have the 2 Av services as a new tunnel so it could be at high speed heading into Brooklyn.
I see you love HTML formatting don't you? :)
I most certainly do :-)
There's a Fleet River? Where?
History and map here.
Painting here
D 205St-Hanover Sq
W VCP-CI (West End)
Q 125St-CI (Brighton local)
K FH-Hanover Sq 24/7
W or Q via Grand St other via Bway express
other lines are not changed
(northern terminals of W & Q can be swapped as alternative)
D on CPW/6 Av @ Grand on 2 Av
K from the 63 St tunnel to 2 Av
W/Q on of these lines would run through the 63 St tunnel to the Bway line
the other on 2 Av, changes @ Grand on the Man bridge.
http://www.mta.info/capconstr/sas/sas_alignment.htm
Arti
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The MTA website says that transfers are "under evaluation." Nevertheless, it does show a transfer to the 4 & 5 at 42nd St. If this transfer is built, it would require a rather long underground walkway.
As the 2, 3, A, and C are west side lines, I can't imagine where they'd interconnect with the SAS. Passengers bound for east side destinations coming in from Brooklyn can transfer to the 4 or 5 at Fulton St. Passengers coming from the UES or Harlem can transfer from the SAS to the E, V, or 6 at 57th (implying another long underground walkway to 53rd & Lex).
The SAS plans already include a connection to Broadway, although not specifically the R. There's no connection to the M, although that strikes me as a rather unnecessary transfer.
Or are there any actual plans to extend the line into B'klyn for additional service?
The proposed terminus at Hanover Square does not preclude an eventual extension into Brooklyn. No such plans are currently on the drawing board.
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So the $160 million rebuild of the Atlantic Av LIRR station doesn't count. The $400 million rebuild of Coney Island doesn't count either. The rehabilitation of the Williamsburg Bridge doesn't count, and neither does the new Archer Av tunnel (which, although in Queens, is part of a subway line serving Brooklyn.
And the $75 million rebuild of the Franklin Av Shuttle doesn't count. And forget about the Manhattan Bridge reopening. That doesn't help Brooklyn at all. Maybe they should tear down the Manny B; it's not even wanted by Brooklynites.
Aside from all that, who else is out to get you? :0)
Vengence said:
"Over the years,not one mile of new rail line has been built in Brooklyn,even though there has been promises"
Then, you write a reply that there has been tons of rennovation, and even a new line in queens, but never once do you mention new track in brooklyn.
Are you confused by what he said? Perhaps someone should explain what he meant:
In the borough of brooklyn, NO NEW ROUTES HAVE BEEN BUILT. Brooklyn has not seen any service expanded into new areas that did not previously have it.
So the $160 million rebuild of the Atlantic Av LIRR station doesn't count.
This really doesn't help brooklynites as much as it helps Long Islanders. It's also NOT NEW TRACK. And the largest transfer complex in brooklyn SHOULD have been rebuilt quite some time ago.
The $400 million rebuild of Coney Island doesn't count either.
Station rehabs do not count as expanded service. Their nice, but they certainly do not add service. It's also NOT NEW TRACK.
The rehabilitation of the Williamsburg Bridge doesn't count,.... And forget about the Manhattan Bridge reopening.
And if these rehabs had not occurred, then we would have no service over these bridges. It's also NOT NEW TRACK.
and neither does the new Archer Av tunnel (which, although in Queens, is part of a subway line serving Brooklyn.
This is one of the most thoughtless assertions you have ever made. Using you're logic, I could reasonably assert that nearly any extension of any line would be a benefit IN Brooklyn because that line runs in brooklyn at some point. I could say that 63rd is a benefit to brooklyn. I could say that the airtrain is a benefit to Brooklyn.
That said, It's also NOT NEW TRACK.
And the $75 million rebuild of the Franklin Av Shuttle doesn't count.
Let's not forget that they wanted to tear the whole thing down at first. It's also NOT NEW TRACK.
Let's not forget that they wanted to tear the whole thing down at first. It's also NOT NEW TRACK.
And, as a result of the rebuild, the line is now single-track for part of the way (it was formerly 2-track for its entire length), and a station was eliminated (Dean St). Now, those may in fact have been prudent decisions, but you can't count the Franklin Av reconstruction--attractive as it is--as new service for Brooklyn.
No apologies necessary. I support your decision to improve the state of your health. Within one year, if you can hang in there, you can get rid of 50% of your risk of cancer, heart disease and lung disease. Keep it up over 10-15 years? Your risk will be almost as if you never smoked.
Finding other things to do with your hands and your mouth can be helpful. Play a trumpet or a saxophone, take up golf or tennis or touch football, chew gum, whatever it takes. Yur doctor might have some great ideas.
Best wishes. You're achieving something almost as hard as getting the Second Av Subway built. But YOU CAN SUCCEED. YEEHAH!
So what? That had no effect on the level of service.
"and a station was eliminated (Dean Street).
A station whicjh truly counts as one nobody used (and the next stop is less than a quarter-mile away). Its elimination helped improve service to the other stations. The addition of a transfer point at the Botanical Garden was far more important than maintaining Dean Street.
The SAS is something most New Yorkers are in favor of. So there's a decent chance it will get done. The MTA Chairman is helping refill reelcetion campaign coffers in places like Alabama so that people like Richard shelby vote for the money that MTA needs to start construction.
"I'll be damn if I'm gonna be like some kiss butt burritocrate that looks the other way when crap hit the fan "
Which crap hits which fan? I don't see what problem you're referring to. The last time I checked, Queens had the most increase in population and not enough added subway service. Brooklyn has plenty of subway service, and mainly needs rehabs and getting lines and stations reopened, like Coney Island, Manhattan Bridge etc.
"So sling your hash somewhere else,cause I ain't eattin'. It's time for you to smell what the MTA's cookin"
You're the only one slinging mud here. If you spent more time looking for constructive ways to support new subway starts and other improvement projects, you might actually make a difference. But your attitude prevents you from making any kind of contribution at all.
So instead of spinning conspiracy theories and paranoia on Subtalk, why not do something more constructive? Until you do, it's partly your own fault if things you want for your boroiugh don't get done.
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Vengeance, and apparently you, too, look at this very narrowly, missing the forest for the trees.
"Then, you write a reply that there has been tons of rennovation, and even a new line in queens, but never once do you mention new track in brooklyn."
My point is that the investment in renovation and renewal in Brooklyn is so significant and important that complaining about the lack of new routes in Brooklyn is laughable. Yes, no new routes have been built in Brooklyn. Vengeance seems to think that meant Brooklyn got the shaft. I'm pointing out that that's a ridiculous conclusion.
"This really doesn't help brooklynites as much as it helps Long Islanders."
It helps both plenty. You overlook rtthe fact that access to the subway has been improved in that station. Your objection there counts as whining.
"Station rehabs do not count as expanded service."
Actually, yes they do, in terms of access. A lot of people (elderly, handicapped, people with kids in strollers) had trouble reaching Coney Island on the subway. Now they are getting an ADA-compliant station which will accommodate everyone. Again, you've got tunnel vision on this. Look at the bigger picture.
And try not to be so juvenile when you post (sigh...)
And try not be so alive when you post (sigh...)
Perhaps you need an explanation.
Vengence (Not Vengeance) said that no new track was built. Then you replied with all these assertions that had NOTHING to do with new track. This is what made your posts laughable.
Vengeance, and apparently you, too, look at this very narrowly, missing the forest for the trees.
No. We simply agree on something that you cannot see, since you are so enamored with the MTA.
My point is that the investment in renovation and renewal in Brooklyn is so significant and important that complaining about the lack of new routes in Brooklyn is laughable
No, it is not. You evidently do not know just how big an area of Brooklyn lacks subway service. Areas that are in need of it. I am not neglecting to look at the positive things being done in Brooklyn. But these things are being done in ALL boroughs. So when they get done, it's not like it's some kind of boon to brooklynites.
It helps both plenty. You overlook rtthe fact that access to the subway has been improved in that station. Your objection there counts as whining.
Your entire post counts as whining.
You specifically mentioned the LIRR terminal rehab. This might help me a little, but I think it's a bigger benefit to Long Islanders. If you want to continue to disagree with my assessment, then I guess you must know more than I do about riding the system I use everyday to actually get around.
"Station rehabs do not count as expanded service."
Actually, yes they do, in terms of access. A lot of people (elderly, handicapped, people with kids in strollers) had trouble reaching Coney Island on the subway. Now they are getting an ADA-compliant station which will accommodate everyone. Again, you've got tunnel vision on this. Look at the bigger picture.
Station rehabs do not count as expanded service. The MTA is supposed to provide vans for the elderly/handicapped. Srollers are not supposed to be in use on the subway.
And try not to be so juvenile when you post (sigh...)
Try not to be so closed minded when you post (achoo...)
Which are very small compared to the huge swaths of Queens which need subway service and don't have it. If money were no object you'd build new lines in both boroughs. But that's not a huge priiority in Brooklyn right now.
"The MTA is supposed to provide vans for the elderly/handicapped. Srollers are not supposed to be in use on the subway."
I can try to educate you on the issues of ADA, but if you don't want to learn, that's your problem. The disabled and elderly are entitled to use the subways they paid for, since the federal 1974 mass transit law was passed (ADA superceded it, but both had the same effect. Washington Metrorail is accessible in large part because of the 1974 law, not the 1990 law). I can only be grateful that MTA, for all its problems (and there are many) is generally managed by people with mature judgment. You could learn a lot from them if you stopped whining long enough to actually listen. There are a few people on this board, you among them, who fantasize about somehow knowing how to manage a transit agency. If you really did, of course, you'd be doing it. Subtalk is a cool board, but recognize its limitations.
But you're not. So the next best thing is to know how to separate "railbuff" from reality, and then learn how to get the changes you want considered. MTA is certainly driven by politics: politicians determine its major priorities. You elect those politicians. Want to change something? Hint: Ranting about how incompetent or evil MTA is is not going to get you anywhere. But helping your politicians by getting involved, joining coalitions and knowing when to apply the honey as well as the bee stings is key. Maybe some politicians who don't fight hard enough for transit need to be replaced by others. Do you want to run for office? Do you know how to do any of the above?
I've been involved in transit advocacy for close to 15 years. Over the past four years I've made a lot of suggestions to MTA and seen close to half a dozen to date be accepted and implemented. You don't see me whining because I've seen MTA deliver a lot of things I've wanted.
My telling you Brooklyn does not deserve high priority for a lot of new subway service isn't closed-minded. It's realistic. You're free to disagree, of course.
So you have a choice. You can take a juvenile approach to this, and on Subtalk, that's fine. It also works great on your HO train in your living room. But if you want to do anything more than whine and bellyache meaninglessly, you need to take a different approach. Go talk to the Brooklyn Borough President's office and your US Representative's staff about transit. Let them educate you a little.
Good luck
To be fair, I only defended this thread. Personally, I don't think that Brooklyn was shafted anymore than any other borough which has not seen needed subway expansion.
The whole point was that vengence said that No new routes had been built, and then you pointed out that he was in fact wrong, that no new routes had been built, but we had these other cool things.
I can try to educate you on the issues of ADA, but if you don't want to learn, that's your problem. The disabled and elderly are entitled to use the subways they paid for, since the federal 1974 mass transit law was passed (ADA superceded it, but both had the same effect. Washington Metrorail is accessible in large part because of the 1974 law, not the 1990 law).
Perhaps you didn't understand what I said. I said that making an ADA station ADA compliant doesn't increase service for the elderly because they already have door-to-door service. Writing about the particulars of ADA does not address what I said. Nor does it address the fact that most of Brooklyn's stations are presently non-ADA compliant.
We're talking about service expansion. ADA compliance is not service expansion, no matter how many times you claim that it is.
I can only be grateful that MTA, for all its problems (and there are many) is generally managed by people with mature judgment. You could learn a lot from them if you stopped whining long enough to actually listen.
I never said that these people didn't have mature judgement, now did I? You're addressing something that doesn't exist. You might notice this if you didn't spend so much time being arrogant.
There are a few people on this board, you among them, who fantasize about somehow knowing how to manage a transit agency.
I personally know people in a number of divisions in NYCT, RTO included. Do you? Can you walk up to someone and have lunch with them, and ask them about the particulars of their job?
That said, I generally agree with most of the MTA's decisions, and usually take flak for it. Now, I'm having you accuse me of the opposite? I really don't know what more I can say or do here.
Of course, you don't notice this because you spend so much time talking down to everyone that you don't bother to listen to anyone on this board.
I've been involved in transit advocacy for close to 15 years. Over the past four years I've made a lot of suggestions to MTA and seen close to half a dozen to date be accepted and implemented. You don't see me whining because I've seen MTA deliver a lot of things I've wanted.
These things major proposals? I've got a whole list. Some people have gone far beyond writing letters, and STILL haven't seen their proposals even come close to being implemented.
You also do not live in Brooklyn. You can't say "I'm satisfied with present NYCT operations" because you don't use them.
So you have a choice. You can take a juvenile approach to this, and on Subtalk, that's fine. It also works great on your HO train in your living room.
I am getting sick of this crap. Where was I juvenile? Please, enlighten me, o great one. I put thought & reasoning behind my arguments. On the other hand, what you just said was incredibly juvenile. If you want to be a hypocrite, just leave me alone.
But if you want to do anything more than whine and bellyache meaninglessly, you need to take a different approach. Go talk to the Brooklyn Borough President's office and your US Representative's staff about transit.
How many people have done just that regarding the 2nd avenue subway? I see that it was successful, as I used to ride it to my job on the upper east side.
Let them educate you a little.
There is nothing I could learn from them about rail transit.
I don't know why you even post here. Everyone on here is wrong. Maybe you think that your Rudyard Kipling, taking up the 'white man's burden' by educating us poor dumb new york city folks, who know nothing about the system we actually ride.
The whole point was that vengence said that No new routes had been built, and then you pointed out that he was in fact wrong, that no new routes had been built"
Yes, from that specific perspective, you're right. His statement was true. How important that statement is is a separate question. I linked the two together in my post.
"Perhaps you didn't understand what I said. I said that making an ADA station ADA compliant doesn't increase service for the elderly because they already have door-to-door service"
Not relevant. Paratransit is an inadequate band-aid. It is also expensive, sometimes unreliable and not a replacement for access to the subway. It exists only because the subway is accessible. Once the subway becomes more accessible, then the need for paratransit lessens. Some will continue to need it, of course. But it is ultimately an inefficient use of resources which must be subsidized by the rest of us. The fewer people who have to use it, and the more people who can be "mainstreamed" on trains nd buses, the better. You evidently do not understand the either the spirit or the letter of ADA. As I said before, you need a little educating on the subject. Unless you are too arrogant to learn anything.
"Nor does it address the fact that most of Brooklyn's stations are presently non-ADA compliant. "
Actually, you are the one who ignored that. I pointed out that rehabbing and ADA compliance were far more important to Brooklyn than subway expansion right now.
"I never said that these people didn't have mature judgement, now did I?"
Well, actually, by defending a poster who did, you aligned yourself with that position.
"I personally know people in a number of divisions in NYCT, RTO included. Do you? Can you walk up to someone and have lunch with them, and ask them about the particulars of their job?"
Yes, I do. And yes I can. And I also know a number of people in management and have spoken to them and exchanged a lot of correspondence with them, and have learned a lot in the process.
"That said, I generally agree with most of the MTA's decisions, and usually take flak for it."
That's not the issue here. I don't care if you agree or diagree with MTA's decisions. I don't agree with all of them either. And I for one will not give you flak per se for that. You will not see the term apologist" in any of my posts.
Of course, even that term is relative. Someone working for MTA who defends their position publicly on something must sometimes be an "apologist." But of course that is what he/she gets paid to do.
"These things major proposals?"
If you consider a service plan major, then yes. Some are more minor, such as changes and improvements to the agency's website.
"Some people have gone far beyond writing letters, and STILL haven't seen their proposals even come close to being implemented."
Yes, that happens. It takes two to tango. MTA may not be able or want to (rightly or wrongly) and the folks making proposals may not be patient enough to understan that these things take time. Some proposals are great, some are not, some have political backing, and some don't. I believe you can never be wrong for trying.
"You also do not live in Brooklyn. You can't say "I'm satisfied with present NYCT operations" because you don't use them."
False, silly and narrow-minded of you. I lived in NY or was frequently there until 2003, so yes I was a regular user. And everytime I'm in NYC (which I am actually coming next month) I will benefit from the positive changes MTA has made. Not only that, but my friends, family and fellow Subtalkers in NY will get the benefit of those changes.
"How many people have done just that regarding the 2nd avenue subway?"
A lot, which is why MTA has it on the Capital budget. That is also why the FTA has the project on its list of recommended projects. The politics have been difficult, but we've come a lot closer to making it a reality than in any time in the past.
"I see that it was successful, as I used to ride it to my job on the upper east side."
That is where you become juvenile. Your choice: you can make it obvious to your elected officials that they need not bother with you, or you can join the Manhattan Borough's second Av Subway Task Force (or go to the Brooklyn Borough Prez and see where you can lend a hand there). Or you can do any numner of other things.
"There is nothing I could learn from them about rail transit."
Arrogant and juvenile. Of course, you could visit their offices and listen to what they have to say. Then find out if you've learned anything or not.
"I don't know why you even post here. "
I have learned a lot here. And material hasjed over here has served as the basis for proposals that have become reality, or have contributed to proposals from others that became reality.
"Maybe you think that your Rudyard Kipling, taking up the 'white man's burden' by educating us poor dumb new york city folks"
How do you know I am white? And I still am very much a city boy. And I have as many miles piled up riding the subway as you do.
If you want to play the race card or avoid dealing with criticism because you think you are being taled down to that's your problem. I'm not here to please you. But I am willing to engage in meaningful dialogue. Whether we do or not is up to you.
Do you choose to be ignorant, or is it something you can't control? Again, making a station ADA compliant does not amount to a service increase for anybody. All your arguments, as true as they may be, are totally irrelevant. We're talking about service expansion. ADA does not accomplish this.
Additionally, I think that door to door bus service that is equipped with lifts is by far better than having to travel blocks to a subway or bus stop. If you disagree with that, then you need to have one of those head scans done.
Actually, you are the one who ignored that. I pointed out that rehabbing and ADA compliance were far more important to Brooklyn than subway expansion right now.
Evidently, you don't know just how many people don't have adequate subway service in Brooklyn. A subway on Utica avenue would be far more important than borough-wide ADA compliance.
"That said, I generally agree with most of the MTA's decisions, and usually take flak for it."
That's not the issue here. I don't care if you agree or diagree with MTA's decisions.
Forget what you said? You said that I seem to think I know how to run a transit agency, much like many others here. Now, if you meant something different, learn to express yourself better.
If you consider a service plan major, then yes. Some are more minor, such as changes and improvements to the agency's website.
Really? What service plan of yours was implemented? Please, I must know.
"You also do not live in Brooklyn. You can't say "I'm satisfied with present NYCT operations" because you don't use them."
False, silly and narrow-minded of you. I lived in NY or was frequently there until 2003, so yes I was a regular user. And everytime I'm in NYC (which I am actually coming next month) I will benefit from the positive changes MTA has made. Not only that, but my friends, family and fellow Subtalkers in NY will get the benefit of those changes.
Okay. So tell me, did you also have trouble accessing the area near glenwood road and Utica Ave? Or Kings Plaza mall? You also have trouble getting to these areas by subway (or bus for that matter). No, wait, according to you, everything is peachy kean in Brooklyn, and I have no clue what I'm talking about.
"I see that [the second avenue subway] was successful, as I used to ride it to my job on the upper east side."
That is where you become juvenile. Your choice: you can make it obvious to your elected officials that they need not bother with you, or you can join the Manhattan Borough's second Av Subway Task Force
First of all, you didn't address the issue. I said that the second avenue subway had many, many people lobby for it over the years, and it was never built.
"How many people have done just that regarding the 2nd avenue subway?"
A lot, which is why MTA has it on the Capital budget. That is also why the FTA has the project on its list of recommended projects. The politics have been difficult, but we've come a lot closer to making it a reality than in any time in the past.
1. The second avenue subway is closer to reality than any time previously? That's wrong. Construction actually started in the 70's. They actually had it underway.
2. Seeing as there's very little talk of funding for it right now, I don't see how it's soooo secure right now.
"I personally know people in a number of divisions in NYCT, RTO included. Do you? Can you walk up to someone and have lunch with them, and ask them about the particulars of their job?"
Yes, I do. And yes I can. And I also know a number of people in management and have spoken to them and exchanged a lot of correspondence with them, and have learned a lot in the process.
Okay. So you could call someone up and have them come over to your hose for dinner? Answer specifically. You seem to have trouble doing that.
There is nothing I could learn from [politicians] about rail transit."
Arrogant and juvenile. Of course, you could visit their offices and listen to what they have to say. Then find out if you've learned anything or not.
There is nothing I could learn from politicians about rail transit. Anything I do not know, I could ask people who actually do the job. Maybe you have such little knowledge about rail transit that you had to learn what a FEIS was from a politician, but I don't.
I have learned a lot here. And material hasjed over here has served as the basis for proposals that have become reality, or have contributed to proposals from others that became reality.
I don't know what hasjed means.
Proposals here don't dictate what actually happens anywhere. Ridership studies do.
"Maybe you think that your Rudyard Kipling, taking up the 'white man's burden' by educating us poor dumb new york city folks"
How do you know I am white? And I still am very much a city boy. And I have as many miles piled up riding the subway as you do.
If you want to play the race card...
Are you that stupid? I really want an answer.
'The white man's burden' was Rudyard Kipling's belief that Western Civilization and religion had to be taught to all savages who did not live like Europeans, and did not practice Christianity. At the time, all westerners were white (or at least the overwhelming majority was).
Obviously, I do not think that you are trying to preach christianity to me right now. On that same thought, I don't presume you are white. I'm saying that you think that I'm just another dumb savage who needs the light. That's the analogy. Moron.
or avoid dealing with criticism because you think you are being taled down to that's your problem.
I'm dealing with the criticism. You're ignoring many of my points, going off on irrelevant tnagents, and continuously bring up 'getting invoolved', even though that does not count as a counterpoint. On top of that, you're being a jerk. You accuse me of arrogance, but you keep on acting stuck-up.
I'm not here to please you.
You're also not here to lecture me, but that doesn't seem to stop you.
But I am willing to engage in meaningful dialogue.
Let me demonstrate what you have been doing:
Me: There are plenty of areas in Brooklyn that lack subway service that need it. NYCT has done nothing to address this.
You: But they have made cool new station enhancements. Additionally, you should write to your congressman. Not only will your letter result in action, but he can also educate you on how this system would work.
See the problem? Sure, your argument looks nice, but it does not address my point whatsoever.
Some people really dislike you. I can understand why. You're like a subway preacher: No one wants to hear your opinion, but you just keep bellowing away.
Not some, many. A number of people have expressed their displeasure with Ron's attitude (I'm a trailblazer in that area), but very few have praised him (and those that have have since recanted).
You're not going to convince Ron to change his attitude or leave. My responses to him are now exclusively death wishes. He doesn't deserve any higher discourse.
I don't want to. If I could just get him to accept that he is not the god of subway knowledge, I'd be pleased.
My responses to him are now exclusively death wishes.
I don't think he's deserving of that. Constant ridicule, certainly. But not death wishes.
Yes, I do. And yes I can. And I also know a number of people in management and have spoken to them and exchanged a lot of correspondence with them, and have learned a lot in the process.
"Okay. So you could call someone up and have them come over to your hose for dinner? Answer specifically. You seem to have trouble doing that."
Sorry if you think so. And the answer is yes.
I think it's cool that you are friends with T/os, conductors, whatever. Nice people and I'm sure they do a good job. But unless you talk to people "upstairs" too you're not getting the big picture. Talking to a burger flipper does not mean you know all about McDonald's; talking to a bank teller does not tell you all about the bank.
"Additionally, I think that door to door bus service that is equipped with lifts is by far better than having to travel blocks to a subway or bus stop."
OK, but the disabled as a group disagree with you. So do most people who have trouble using the subway. They want to use all transit resources just like you do. And you forget that you have to reserve paratransit 24 hours in advance. How would you like it if you had to reserve every subway trip you took 24 hours in advance?
Telling a disabled person "You have paratransit; you don't need ADA access to the subway." is just like telling a black person "You take the train (or bus) marked Colored Passengers. You don't need to be on the White Only buses, because you have your own." But I guess you wouldn't mind that either, would you? I mind, and so do most other people.
"Evidently, you don't know just how many people don't have adequate subway service in Brooklyn. A subway on Utica avenue would be far more important than borough-wide ADA compliance"
A subway on Utica Av would be very cool, and it would get a lot of ridership. But because there are other boroughs that need subway service much more than Brooklyn, it takes a back seat. So the next best thing you can do is rehab and upgrade Brooklyn stations. When other priorities have been addressed, like the SAS, East Side Access (which is underway) or new service in Queens, then we revisit Brooklyn. If you disagree with that, you have to visit with politicians. You don't like politicians, but having a T/O friend over for dinner is not going to influence MTA to change its priorities.
"I don't know what hasjed means."
Sorry. My typo. I meant "hashed over" meaning the information that's posted and responded to on this board.
"1. The second avenue subway is closer to reality than any time previously? That's wrong. Construction actually started in the 70's. They actually had it underway."
Very true. And MTA has $1 billion reserved in the current capital budget to continue from there. The tunnels built in the 1970s have been maintained and will be used, so they don't have to reinvent everything.
"2. Seeing as there's very little talk of funding for it right now, I don't see how it's soooo secure right now."
There's a lot of talk about funding. You just have to open your daily newspaper and read.
"I'm saying that you think that I'm just another dumb savage who needs the light. That's the analogy. Moron. "
Yu're doing a much better job of playing the savage than I could do calling you one. After you finish your childish name-calling, we can talk meaningfully again.
hypocrite.
Superintendant in RTO, moron.
OK, but the disabled as a group disagree with you.
No. Disabled people simply want something reliable. The problem is that paratransit is unreliable, whereas the subway is.
It's hard for someone who has weak legs to walk 5 blocks to the nearest subway. It's easy to walk out the front door to a paratransit van
They want to use all transit resources just like you do. And you forget that you have to reserve paratransit 24 hours in advance. How would you like it if you had to reserve every subway trip you took 24 hours in advance?
Telling a disabled person "You have paratransit; you don't need ADA access to the subway." is just like telling a black person "You take the train (or bus) marked Colored Passengers. You don't need to be on the White Only buses, because you have your own." But I guess you wouldn't mind that either, would you? I mind, and so do most other people.
Again, you wander away from the topic. ADA compliance is not service expansion. I never said that disabled people did not want to use the subway. But making a station ADA compliant does constitute service expansion, as these people already have a far more comprehensive service. Try to focus Ron. I know it's hard for you to do.
A subway on Utica Av would be very cool, and it would get a lot of ridership. But because there are other boroughs that need subway service much more than Brooklyn, it takes a back seat. So the next best thing you can do is rehab and upgrade Brooklyn stations. When other priorities have been addressed, like the SAS, East Side Access (which is underway) or new service in Queens, then we revisit Brooklyn. If you disagree with that, you have to visit with politicians. You don't like politicians, but having a T/O friend over for dinner is not going to influence MTA to change its priorities.
Aren't you a doctor? Can't you prescribe something for that pesky ADD you suffer from?
The issue here was not do areas of brooklyn deserve service expansion over areas of other boroughs. The question was would a Utica subway serve more people than ADA compliance? Yes it would. Keep ignoring the arguments. You seem to do this well.
There's a lot of talk about funding. You just have to open your daily newspaper and read.
See, that's the thing Ron. I did just that. Back a few weeks ago, the NY Times had a whole section devoted to the subway. In it was an article detailing the history of the 2nd av subway, and how today the West side extension of the #7 has the city pledging funds, but there remains a shroud over funding for the 2nd av subway.
If you want to disagree with the New York Times, be my guest.
Yu're doing a much better job of playing the savage than I could do calling you one. After you finish your childish name-calling, we can talk meaningfully again.
You have not uttered one meaningful word of conversation in this thread, instead choosing to ignore my points, or make irrelevant counterpoints. You've called me a whiner, and immature for stating my opinions, so does that make you childish? Probably not, in your own moronic mind.
No, I'm right on topic. You have no understanding about just how important ADA is, no clue about what the disabled want, and when that information is offered to you, you reject it. OK.
"Superintendant in RTO, moron"
If you say so. Does he/she call everybody a moron in conversation, too? Or maybe this "superintendent" you know isn't a superintendent? Who knows...
Try again....
Again, "I'm right and Jtrainloco is wrong". Your idea of talking to a teenager flipping burgers to learn how McDonalds operates is wrong.
If you say so. Does he/she call everybody a moron in conversation, too? Or maybe this "superintendent" you know isn't a superintendent? Who knows...
I don't call anyone a moron, except to a Subtalker who tells a mature poster to cut out the rainfanning crap and get a reality check. YOU need a reality check.
AEM7
I like a lot of what you post too. You help teach me a lot of good stuff about electric trains, physics, electricity, rail network management.
I would say you and Phillip and Stephen and ?? should get together on an online textbook.
Alright then, Ron, two questions for you (apologies for being off-topic):
1. What do you think of the whole MA drive towards "marriage" for gay people? I mean is a civil union with guarenteed "equality" and protection under the law sufficient, or does it have to be a marriage?
2. So you believe "civics" is a concept that could be taught in a classroom, by some higher authority that supposedly knows better. So who defines that higher authority? Remember the "Freedom Riders"? They got two Greyhound buses burnt out, because their asserting their rights was incompatible with the views of a particular community (Montgomery, AL as a matter of fact). What about other rights? Do you think that Texans can assert their right to bear arms in New York City too? Do you think people can carry knives for religious reasons? Do you think that women should be allowed to wear headscarf in a driver's licence photo, and in a mug shot if arrested? Who defines this higher authority?
AEM7
If you say so. Too bad you evidently don't have the background to understand why you miss the point over and over again.
...**Groan** Ron, it's like you have no understanding of how an exchange of ideas work.
The whole issue is: "Is ADA a service expansion? Would a new subway be more important than ADA compliance at existing stations?" We were discussing service expansion. ADA compliance adds new service for a limited number of people, and they already have a service that is more convenient for them. For you to say I know nothing about what disabled people want, is not only irrelevant to the discussion, it's also wrong.
Ron, you ignore everything. You ignored the original poster's idea, that brooklyn was shafted because they didn't get any new rail service. This was his personal opinion. To call him a whiner because of that is immature on your part.
And maybe he isn't wrong. What projects are on the plate? ESA: not benefitting brooklyn. West Side extension: not benefitting brooklyn. LIRR to lower manhattan: DEFINITELY not benefitting brooklyn. How about that, Ron?
If you say so. Does he/she call everybody a moron in conversation, too?
Why would he? Are he and I the same person?
I admit, I was wrong to call you a moron. You're more like Herpes: Those occasional sores might go away (your posts), but the root of the problem is always there (you).
Try again....
What an excellent way to dismiss all of my arguments.
OK, but the disabled as a group disagree with you. So do most people who have trouble using the subway. They want to use all transit resources just like you do. And you forget that you have to reserve paratransit 24 hours in advance. How would you like it if you had to reserve every subway trip you took 24 hours in advance?
There were newspaper articles that I read which said that Paratransit service is unreliable and inconsistent. It needs reorganization IMO.
Telling a disabled person "You have paratransit; you don't need ADA access to the subway." is just like telling a black person "You take the train (or bus) marked Colored Passengers. You don't need to be on the White Only buses, because you have your own." But I guess you wouldn't mind that either, would you? I mind, and so do most other people.
He's saying that a person would still have to walk/travel by bus to get to a ADA compliant subway station but also acknowledged that the Paratransit is unreliable.
"Separate but equal" rarely results in equal. This is why, ultimately, the disabled need to be offered full access to transit facilities the same way able-bodied people are.
One prime example of where your priorities on subway expansion are, inside the center of a closed facility off the West Shore Expressway in Staten Island with two entrances, one at Victory Blvd, the other at West Service Road near Muldoon Ave. Utica Ave has the second busiest bus route in Brooklyn (second to the B41 on Flatbush Ave), and an IRT expansion down Utica Ave from Eastern Parkway to Kings Plaza would be most welcome to southeastern Brooklyn customers having limited one-seat access to the subway. There is a large chunk of Brooklyn (Livonia Ave to the North, Rockaway Parkway to the East, East 16th St to the West and the waterfront to the south), that is in need of subway service. However the SAS is more important than Brooklyn expansion at this time because of the Lex overcrowding. But your posts are always off a tangent and you are the biggest hypocrite on this board with you motto: "I'm right and everyone else is wrong.".
Too bad the rest of your post has to be juvenile. I have consistently tried to show that one can discuss details nonsensically, as you and JTrain occasionally do. You miss the forest for the trees (but not in your last post and not with your really good suggestion about the Rockaways.
If anything, I've been consistently honest, and have been waiting for a small group of you to grow up. If you want me to treat you as an adult, you have to act like one first.
You have been as honest as the validity of DefJef's posts. You attack other posters (including me) for going off tangents, discussing issues not related to the person who is is discussing and for a someone to tell others to cut out the railfanning crap, you sure don't know whether Far Rockaway LIRR station is in Queens or in Nassau.
That was harsh ;-).
Too bad you haven't been consistently dead.
For someone who rails on and on about ADA access, it seems that there's something about you that would benefit from ADA access. Normally, I don't delight in the suffering of others, but when it's your suffering, it makes me happy. I hope your disability gives you years of misery, followed by untimely death.
I guess this picture succinctly describes your attitude toward Ron in Bayside.
What better to illustrate American Pig's attitude toward Ron in Bayside?
Ha ha ha ha, as I've said before Sgt Newkirk, 'pot', 'kettle', 'black'!
Typical Rail buff nonsense. As American Pig pointed out, the new E line was a true expansion of subway service from Queens Blvd. The J service was cut back to Parsons, which is unfortunate, but the cutback was 7-8 blocks.
Te Franklin shuttle rebuild represents an expansion of service due to the new interchange with the IRT (they opened a passage used previously only by police). as to the one-track system, this had no effect on service levels.
Yur post represents meaningless whining. Time for a reality check.
I'll accept that the E re-routing cancels out the J's cutback - because Queens Blvd now has access to Jamaica LIRR station - but that still does not amount to a net expansion of the transit network. Queens Boulevard service was not expanded at all, and Hillside Avenue service was actually reduced (even when the R was extended, it ran nowhere near as often as the E it had replaced, and now there is only the F).
So maybe it wasn't a net cutback, but I still don't see it as an expansion. Personally I am of the opinion that the wrong route (E) was put on Archer, resulting in unbalanced service, but that really doesn't have anything to do with this discussion.
True, but in cutting back the other track the MTA reduced maintenance and repair expenses without affecting service. The Franklin Av Shuttle does not need a long platform. What it has now works fine.
"I'll accept that the E re-routing cancels out the J's cutback - because Queens Blvd now has access to Jamaica LIRR station"
I'm sorry the J wasn't extended at least to Merrick Blvd. That intersection could use subway service.
"The other benefit was that J riders can now travel to destinations along Queens Blvd (and some do).
" - but that still does not amount to a net expansion of the transit network"
You're right. I wish it were otherwise. But the new service does help J riders.
"Queens Boulevard service was not expanded at all,"
True for number of trains, false for route extension."
Personally I am of the opinion that the wrong route (E) was put on Archer, resulting in unbalanced service."
I can see the merit in your argument there.
I'd be interested if you explained why you felt this way.
Exactly Ron, it doesn't count.
And the $75 million rebuild of the Franklin Av Shuttle doesn't count. And forget about the Manhattan Bridge reopening. That doesn't help Brooklyn at all. Maybe they should tear down the Manny B; it's not even wanted by Brooklynites.
Exactly Ron, it doesn't count. All of the above is considered to be REBUILT track using new rails, there's a big difference between that and building NEW tracks, like say if they were to build a Utica Av subway. Besides y'all should realize that if anything, over the years, track has been REMOVED so therefore we have seen the net total of track miles in the system go down.
Back to the comment on the Manhattan Bridge, the tracks were rebuilt and supports were reinforced so it's not classified as an expansion but I will say that it has helped Brooklyn residents to expanded options via 6 Av or via Broadway from the Brighton and 4 Av lines.
Nonsense. It is a true extension of subway service because it serves new sections of Jamaica not previously served from Queens Blvd. Get off the railbuff crap and take a reality check.
Yes it does serve new sections but in terms of distance heading east, it is not a true extension.
Get off the railbuff crap and take a reality check.
And what railbuff crap am I on if I'm giving a relevant discussion? And please tell me [and others] how we need a reality check.
FLATBUSH41! You aren't agreeing with Ron! That's the railbuff crap you're on!
And please tell me [and others] how we need a reality check.
He's in a fantasy world. He deals with a twisted reality.
He's in a fantasy world. He deals with a twisted reality.
I noticed that "unfortunately" :-\. Ron, you still haven't told us [well me] how I need a reality check.
He never will tell you. Instead, he'll instruct you to write to the local politicians for an explanation.
Do YOU need the rattle and pacifier back when I took it away from you earlier? I though we were haveing an intelligent discussion about solving the FR Cityticket problem; but for a man your age, you act like a child.
I much prefer your Rockaway posts. You showed a lot of insight there. Let's get back to that.
"He gives respect to EVERYONE on this board and you are the only Subtalker who does not acknowledge that."
I do acknowledge it. I still think he needs a reality check on that post.
Before you decide who's mature and who isn't, try cleaning up your own act first. Otherwise your posting on that subject doesn't mean anything. Your last Rockaway posts were a good step. Now cut the juvenile crap, put some paper in your printer and get that awesome CityTicket idea you came up with out to the people who need to see it.
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Semantics/opinion. Some would say the walk or bus ride from Jamaica Ave to Hillside is no big deal, some wouldn't.
However, what is true and not open to nuances is that the extent of expansion of the system in the last 50 years is totally negligible compared to the previous 50 years. In the last 50 years, at most 10 route miles have been added while 20 or more have been removed.
My hope today is that, with the system under better control and in a goo sate of repair, MTA can build a new line and continue maintaining all of them.
Ultimately, some expansion of service would be nice. But that depends on what's expanded. For example, trying to extend the IRT's existing lines would not be a wise move until the Second Av subway helped relieve the crowds on the train in Manhattan. Once that is done, I'd love to see IRT service extend beyond Brooklyn College. I understand the engineering involved is tough because of soil and water tables and so on.
The original post about this whined on about how Brooklyn gets shafted all the time and pointed to a lack of new subway tracks as evidence. I pointed out that he reached an unsupported conclusion. In fact, MTA has invested a lot in Brooklyn. More needs to be done, of course.
An extension past Brooklyn College would not load the Lex more heavily in the peak direction.
Arti
Yes, it really would. It would increase Lex ridership in the peak direction due to more people from the newly served neighborhoods riding that line. Of course people who rode buses to the current terminal would board earlier than Brooklyn College.
The SAS would primarily handle traffic from above the CBD as you say. However, you look at this much too narrowly, and miss the bigger picture: with crowds alleviated from the CBD onward, Brooklyn-bound riders know they can board the Lex IRT without encountering crowds (not all Brooklyn-bound riuders start in the CBD). Anyone commuting between midtown or within the CBD to Brooklyn would benefit from lower crowding, thanks to the SAS diverting those passengers. Look at the proposed full length SAS map, and you'll see it is an obvious no-brainer.
The only significant crowds possibly removed from Lex are some current tranferees from L (provided MTA decides to build that transfer)and those who live in Murray Hill and Gramercy Park.
«Yes, it really would. It would increase Lex ridership in the peak direction due to more people from the newly served neighborhoods riding that line. »
Lex's peak direction (or to be correct overcrowded direction) is the opposite. That's why MTA's original plan only included the "Stubway".
Arti
False.
The Lex has two peak directions. From the Bronx and Harlem and UES downtown, and from Brooklyn.
The MTA's stubway plan evolved for two reasons, one of which you have described and the other you missed. The peak travel from the north is more overcrowded than Brooklyn-originated travel. However, the Stubway directly addresses Harlem, and is in direct response to an important political demand. Starting SAS construction downtown was a political non-starter.
Think big picture.
Of course, but the one overcrowded is AM from UES as you later admit.
«Starting SAS construction downtown was a political non-starter. »
My recollection is, that it required quite a bit of effort.
Arti
As AP said and I agree, you posts have no basis on what the topic should say. Franklin Ave shuttle was a line improvement, not an extension.. Atlantic Ave LIRR station does not add more track miles. Stillwell will have the same 4 lines, same 4 platforms and same 8 tracks as it's predecessor when it opens next month. So what was the point?
As to what you and Pigs think of my posts, hey, you can think whatever you want. I'm not here to please you. If you want to learn something, that's cool. If not, that's your problem.
Actually 1956 when the connection from Euclid Avenue to 80th Street was built. Grant Avenue is the newest station in Brooklyn.
Well the distance between blocks isn't as long as west of 5 Av but then people could just transfer to the M42 and M104.
As the 2, 3, A, and C are west side lines, I can't imagine where they'd interconnect with the SAS. Passengers bound for east side destinations coming in from Brooklyn can transfer to the 4 or 5 at Fulton St. Passengers coming from the UES or Harlem can transfer from the SAS to the E, V, or 6 at 57th (implying another long underground walkway to 53rd & Lex).
Agreed. To get the A/C, people would have to get off at Houston St or Grand St, take the 6 Av line ot West 4 then catch it, which is unnecessary and time consuming. For the 2/3 there's just no way unless folks decide to take the 6 Av line to 14 St for the 1,2,3,9. [Well it would be good exercise ;-)]. That's why I think the SAS should turn on 125 St and run as a crosstown line to Broadway, where there could be transfer points at each of the existing 125 St stations. It eliminates the need for long passageways.
If you were coming from the east side, you would not go all the way to Grand St to back track up the A/C line. Instead, you'd probably use the (Q) train and transfer at Times Sq, or transfer to the F at Lexington.
If you were coming from a midtown 2nd av destination, you'd probably not even take the 2nd avenue train.
There's always the transfer to the L crosstown line.
The design of the SAS's 125th St terminal is intended to provide for a westward extension along 125th St in the future.
However, it doesn't eliminate the need for the other transfer points. If you're boarding the SAS from the Upper East Side, you're not going to go north to make a connection to a west side train.
How about at Fulton St.? Last time I looked at the plans, there was no transfer from the SAS to the current Fulton St complex. There should be one.
This strikes me as a nice-to-have, but not really essential. From the SAS's Seaport station to the 2/3 platforms at Fulton St would be a rather lengthy underground passageway--roughly akin to the distance between 6th & 7th Avenues. It would be an even longer walk to any of the other platforms in that complex. This distance would make it a rather unattractive transfer.
Well, the SAS itself may not be essential. NYC runs without it.
But if you're trying to go from the 2/3/4/5 or A/C in Brooklyn to the hospitals on the east side of Manhattan, you'd really want that passageway.
It may just be too expensive to build, given that Fulton St is narrow and has a subway under it.
http://www.mta.info/capconstr/sas/sas_alignment.htm
Another suggestion: go to the Station Parking section of the NJ Transit website and, on Monday, call the numbers listed for Matawan Borough and Aberdeen Borough. Those folks will have a better idea than any of us.
Until next time...
Anon_e_mouse
Pete the Pole
Scary that you have a "senior moment" when you're only in your early 30's .....
Also, I posted this on railroad.net, and two or three people there said that I should have to trouble parking at Matawan, so I'm going to go for it.
The line would be a major boost to Manhattan's Hudson River waterfront and it could be a mirror image of San Francisco's Embarcadero with all sorts of "Fisherman Wharf" type places with cheesy souvenir shops, seafood restaurants, et al. Sure, it would cater largely to tourists, but why not? After all, more tourists means more money is being spent and it would make the waterfront more attractive to tourists and locals alike.
Not only that, but it would fill a void in areas that have little or no transit service. Currently, there is no transit along West Street, not even a lousy bus line! Battery Park City has a couple of bus routes, but poor access to rail transit.
This line would only help people get to events at the Javits Center and future Jets Stadium.
The line itself would use modern articulated LRV's, much like the HBLR cars.
What do you think?
I'm a great fan of light rail, but the huge ridership needs in New York mandate heavy rail transit routes, not light rail.
A light rail line in downtown could be used though.
Another feature of this plan, is that no fares are collected: It is presumed that commuters transfered from a subway train or other bus line, and that tourists, and daily workers can be circulated in the CBD without charges.
It obviates the need to collect or enforce a fare scheme.
Elias
Not sure how well that would go over with the DOT and the public in general though...
Arti
It also has Bus Service... Should we discontinue that just because we have a subway...
I don't think so.
The Major Premise of my *master* plan, (such as it is) is to CLOSE the CBD to ALL privately owned automobiles*. Part of that plan includes making Broadway a pedestrian mall, and part of *that* features LRV service up and down Broadway.
Having banned cars from the other Avenues (say Lexington, Park, Madison, 5th, 6th, 7th, 8th, 9th and 10th) [allowing only transit and emergency vehicles] reduces these avenues to say two traffic and no parking lanes. It allows two way street car and wider pedestrian ways.
Delivery trucks would use the streets, streetside parking for trucks would function on the order of airline gates, the various frequent truckers would bid (among themselves) for places and times. Several spots per block would be set aside for random access by occasional truckers.
All free bridges are closed to most vehicles. Tolled crossings are tightly controled. 60th Street is the CBD boundry, and incoming Avenues are protected by control booths.
Subways are supposed to bring people into the CBD, free surface transit is there to circulate them once they are in the CBD.
Elias
Very lightly used compared to other avenues. Also bus service is needed for people unable to use the subway. Light rail won't be for them either.
Arti
Arti
Arti
Arti
Anything is possible.
Arti
For example, if 37th street is the stop, trams in both directions stop short of 37th Street. 36th Street and 35th Street do not cross Broadway, the tram is non-stop to 34th Street. If 36th Street is eastbound, then from the west 36th street loops to 35th street and back to the west. Since the street is restricted to local delivery trucks anyway, this is not such an onerous thing.
The fact that the tram is on a dedicated lane with no cross traffic except at stop streets, it seems to me that a much better headway could be maintained than with busses.
My trams are articulated, about 80 feet long, they are low riders with platform to floor level boarding, possible with an upper deck level. The trams are free, with no fare collection or checking... board and exit at all doors: and that will speed up service too.
Elias
Yes, of course. My grid plan keeps more than that open too, but I did not explain it all.
Yes, 34th Street and perhaps 42nd street will remain open, but no The will be no connection between the Queens and Lincoln Tunnels.
During Rush Hour, I would make the Lincoln exclusive to busses. Allow trucks at other times, maybe even free trucking at night... but remember I closed the island to automobiles. Those who as wish to travel from LI to NJ have the choices of 1) The Verazano via Staten Island; 2) The GWB via the Triboro; or 3) The Tapan Zee via the Whitestone or Throggs Neck.
Brooklyn Bridge will be exclusively pedestrians and LRV, The Manhattan will be exclusively Bus, Subway and Taxis with some off-peak trucking.
The Williamsburg will be Bus and Subway with some Taxi and off-peak trucking.
Private Automobiles with appropriate residential permits may use the Brooklyn and Queens Tunnels.
Elias
How about a loop in downtown Manhattan. WTC-Batter Park city, down west side highway, through battery park, then up south st, then across town via fulton st to City Hall then on to WTC-Battery Park city. It'd connect all the downtown transit hubs(WFC ferry, Battery Park ferries, South Ferry, SI Ferry, Pier 11, South St Seaport, Fulton St, WTC)
I'll be teaching them to move around and explore by transit this spring. I figured I could break down and get the oldest a cell phone, and have them spend the days in Manhattan (where we are working) exploring musuems, parks, etc. Stolling the city and getting to know it. We'd be close by.
Now I see reports that Al Qaeda may be targeting buses and trains this summer. What else, where else?
Moreover, I had suggested to my wife that perhaps the Republican Convention would be a good time to spend our week out of town this summer. She replied that if that's when we want to go, fine, but she isn't letting anyone chase her out of town. But then she has started having nightmares, she tells me, for the first time since early 2002 soon after our 9/11 experience.
Saying to hell with it with yourself is one thing. Saying to hell with it with your kids is another. If I die I won't feel a thing after its over, but if something were to happen to them life will become a permanent hell. But if they can't travel by train and enjoy the city, what is the point of living here. The whole way and how we have chosen to live, intentionally and with much thought, is destroyed.
The irony is most Americans are content to let their kids ride around in cars and hang out with their peers at home with nothing to do and no adults around, but would be afraid to them ride the subway and go to someplace like Manhattan. I know the data, and know better. Or did.
I'm not sure what to tell you. How old are your children now?
Cell phone or not, if I had a pre-teen daughter I wouldn't
be comfortable letting her roam Manhattan unescorted, and that
has nothing to do with terrorism threats.
I have a feeling a lot of New Yorkers will be taking their
vacations when the convention comes to town! Again, not so
much because they are afraid something will happen, as the
CERTAINTY of major inconvenience around town.
There's two, & they wouldn't be roaming. They would be going to a specific place I identify each day, spending the day there, then meeting us back at home.
You have to know my kids -- they have always done exactly as we tell them, and are very confident and interested in taking responsibility. We were thinking about a couple of high school girls in the neighborhood to watch over them for those two weeks, but it would be hard to come up with one who is more mature than they are.
Getting children to learn internal self control, and the reasons for things, was hard work at age 1,2,3 and 4. I was known as a tough dad.
The payoff is now. Some parents were a little too indulgent early on, and their kids are less in control. So now they won't even let their kids walk to school by themselves, at age 10-12. What will happen at 15?
Bottom line is you have 18 years before they have to make all their own decisions and take care of themselves completely. You need to raise adults, not children.
Nothing short of a detonation of a nuclear bomb in midtown (which is of course a small possibility) will make the odds go in favor of cars over mass transit.
But...
Did it really take anyone until now to think that terrorists might target rail systems? Harbor facilities? Dense urban areas?
I don't have any solutions to ease your concerns. Welcome to the new world. Unless we all want to pack up and move to Kansas, I think we'll just have to be like the Californians, with the threat of earthquake over their heads everyday. I know, bad direct comparison, but it still is living with a threat.
Hang in there and good luck with your kids. I'd spring for the cell phone too.
Your pal,
Fred
Cerebal cortex-wise, no. Hormone-wise, yes.
(I think we'll just have to be like the Californians, with the threat of earthquake over their heads everyday.)
Well, that's been the attitude. We're at war, some of us are going to get killed, but if we roll over out city dies. That's the attitude my wife and I took when we went right back to work as soon as Lower Manhattan opened, even though we were queasy from the fumes until they finally got the fires out. This particular sequence of ideas, however, has made me, well, angry that they are influencing my decisions.
Your pal,
Fred
It's more fear and tactic from the terrorists up for re-election in November. OTHERWISE they would have kept their mouths SHUT until near the designated time-coordinates. THINK about it. :(
Anyplace you might want to send them is probably a terrorist target as well. Even walking the streets of the city could be a potential threat.
I have not once allowed the thought of a possible terrorist attack stop me from doing something. Then again, I'm 19, and there really wouldn't be too many serious repercussions if I died. If you lost your kids that would be far more serious. But you can't just live life all penned up.
If you consider it that much of an issue, I'd suggest that you consider moving out of the city.
Considered in detail at the time. No way. We didn't end up here by accident. And we can't just go someplace like it.
As FDR said, "We have nothing to fear but fear itself."
My comment on all the "alerts" issued: Tell the cops and other law enforement types. Keep it OUT of the Media.
All this claptrap justs adds to the general paranoia in the population. It builds and builds.
I'm not changing what I do or where I go.
60,000 people die in car crashes nationwide on average. Every year!!!
Nobody with a car and a license avoids the roads.
2300 people die in the Trade Centers and the administration goes nuts.
Think we need Comedy Central? Just watch the governments.
You've worked too hard raising good kids to make them sit inside all summer when the greatest city in the world is 2 bucks away.
You know the answer to your questions. You've planned out a great summer for them -- exactly as it sounds like you've always wanted, as children of the city.
Teach them to take extra precautions to the extent they can -- know where the exits are, if somebody's acting suspiciously get off and take the next train, learn how to run like hell but still stay together. These are all things you'd probably teach them even if there were no terrorist threat.
But still spring for the cell phone.
CG
-Ben Diamond (a.k.a. 4traintowoodlawn)
Your pal,
Fred
P.S.: To folks here like SINY_R143: If there is any way that I could enlrge the front to ventilate my frustrations a lot better, PLEASE TELL ME. THANK YOU.
P.P.S.: I do not mean to flame anybody by saying the above.
-Ben Diamond (a.k.a. 4traintowoodlawn)
Here ya go ... the shot you weren't allowed to have ... already "out there" for QUITE a while ...
I've NEVER played looto, knowing a bit of math, but *THIS* wager, I'll TAKE. (grin)
-Ben Diamond (a.k.a. 4traintowoodlawn)
With this construction ongoing until 2005, I think Broadway Junction should be listed on the maps as a terminal for the L and the timetables should be written around the 9AM-3PM G.O. The ONLY time the L runs "normal" (which is becoming a loose term nowadays) is from 5AM to 9AM and 3PM to 11PM, weekdays. This would be like issuing regular timetables for the B and D lines during the 1995 Manhattan Bridge closure with times listed from the Bronx to Brooklyn for the whole 24 hr day when they only ran through service during certain hours.
In other words, it runs normal for about 75% of the passengers who ride it.
Except that was an extended work where they knew exactly what tracks would be out of service. The L line is liable to change week to week.
North Penn Reporter Article
"According to the affidavit of probable cause‚ Ellis allegedly admitted using trains and buses as transportation from New York to Philadelphia and then to where he committed the burglaries."
"Ellis told police he took a Greyhound bus from New York to Philadelphia and then a SEPTA train to Lansdale. He entered the school through a window near the kindergarten went to an office and found cash and a safe."
Since when did we start bussing burglars in from NYC? Couldn't find anything in the five boroughs worth stealing???? Larry Ellis, Guilty ..... of lack of imagination.
Historical LIRR zones, by our Subtalker George "Widecab" Chiasson Jr.. Special thanks to Mr. Chiasson Jr. for making this possible.
Newark Airtrain. The orignal PNYNJ airport monorail is done by yours truly. I also did the page for Airtrain JFK also.
Look for more new and exciting pages added to this site soon.
Newkirk Plaza David
www.stationreporter.net
Did you see the LIRR pages yet?
Heh, I hate to do a 'Duh!' on you but the LIRR system map is outdated. Still has the Q Diamond, remember? :)
Also, here is my photo website. I am still in the process of updating it and adding to it, but it's finally up.
-Chris
In reference to your link to the EWR Airtrain here: http://www.stationreporter.net/air_train_newark.htm
Not to rag on you, but your article is a bit off base.
Newark Airtrain was the first rail service provided by the Port Authority.
I think that honor goes to PATH. However since the PANJNY didn't build the PATH system, but instead inherited it from H&M and PRR, I suppose it is the first system BUILT by the PA.
The train operates in an elevated monorail fashion
It IS a Monorail, there's no ambiguity there. Namely a straddle steel box beam monorail of the type built by the Von Roll company of Switzerland until they were purchased by AdTranz in 1998 I believe. After that Bombardier received the AdTranz monorail division (what had once been VonRoll) when the main AdTranz Company was sold off to BBD in 2000 (I think). As such, the EWR monorail is a railroad built by no less than 3 different companies. When you consider that each company insisted on their own drawings, procedures and other assorted paperwork, you massively increase the overhead of the project, and it's lucky it came in as low over budget as it did.
(but the JFK AirTrain uses regular track while the Newark version operates on a monorail with the side 3rd rail for power.)
Actually the Newark Airtrain and the JFK Airtrain are nearly completely different in an evolutionary sense. You're basically making the mistake of saying a Shark and a Dolphin must have the same ancestors, after all they both are similar looking marine predators at or near the top of the food chain, and both have similar adaptations, they must be related. We all know that Sharks and Dolphins come from quite dissimilar families on the evolutionary chart, and the same is true of the two airtrains, they share no relation until less than 5 years ago.
The JFK Airtrain system has it's origins in an in-house project that BBD (or possibly it's predecessor, UDTC) put together for an alternative to an extension of Toronto's Bloor-Danforth Subway to Scarborough. Today this system is called the Scarborough Rapid Transit, it operates between Kennedy Subway Station on the B-D Subway Line and McConn, passing 4 stations enroute. The technology behind SRT has gone into 3 other peoplemover-type systems, Vancouver’s Skytrain, Detroit’s Downtown Peoplemover, and of course JFK’s Airtrain. All of them use Linear Induction motors, and all but SRT use ATO operation. Detroit, Vancouver and Toronto use the oldest of the cars, the so-called Skytrain Is, these were incredibly ugly boxes on wheels with 2 doors and a small end door. Vancouver received some new cars, called Skytrain IIs, sometime between 1998 and 2000 when the new line opened on their system. These basically are the cars that run on Airtrain at JFK, the only difference being that the Skytrain IIs have 3 doors to a side to Airtrain’s 2.
EWR Airtrain on the other hand, comes from VonRoll, as was mentioned above, which BBD didn't even own at the time of the building of the SRT, back then VonRoll was an independent Swiss railcar and monorail builder, specializing in small, amusement park-type Monorails. Also note that despite the use of ATO and other systems on the EWR Airtrain, there is no LIM, power comes from rotary electric motors like 99% of the electric trains out there.
Finally in reference to the above quote: EWR has 2 power rails, and one beam with 3 or 4 rails on it (depending on how you count rails) for stability. If you wish to think of it, it has 5 or 6 rails, all packaged on one Beam, making it more of a MonoBeam than a MonoRail. The rails are split on each side of the beam, so that the chance of leakage or arcing between the two rails is lower. The power carried by the two rails is 500vdc (or possibly AC, I've found sources both ways) with an underrunning shoe not unlike the type used by Metro North.
Newark Airtrain uses six car trains, two end cars with the motors and interior console for the movement, while the 4 cars in between are trailer cars.
I'm sorry, but this is patently false, simple research would have told you that. The end wheels on the EWR monorail cars are unpowered, with the wheels in between the other cars powered. Each car has 8 bogies, and each bogie has 2 load/power wheels and 4 balance wheels, that's 16-load/power wheels total per train. Of the 8 bogies, only 6 are powered, the two at the end are unpowered trailer wheels.
JFK uses one or two full length cars. The end cars on the Newark trains have the same rail fan window as the JFK counterparts at one end, however the cars are far narrower in width...
I'll reiterate, EWR Airtrain and JFK Airtrain are only related in the most superficial of ways. They both happen to be peoplemovers built by Bombardier for the PANJNY, who's marketing division decided that it'd probably be a good idea to stick to one brand, hence both are called AirTrain, and as your article proves, mass confusion results. The design histories and development of both vehicles are completely different, and largely you're comparing apples to oranges (or lemons in the case of EWR's Airtrain). And yes EWR's monorail is narrower than JFK's. EWR's also passes THROUGH several of the terminal buildings, while JFK's generally sticks to the inner loop, where the height and width restrictions were not so strict.
...and the trailer cars have only side windows and you cannot see the next car in front or back. Did they build the Newark cars for privacy?
I can assure you that Privacy was likely the last thing on the engineer's minds when building these things. I'm sure the idea of "personalized rapid transit" may have appealed to them, thus making the compartmentalization of the train's 7 sections possibly make sense. However, I'd be willing to wager that the design of the EWR Airtrain cars and all other monorails with compartmentalized designs is much more pragmatic, in fact I know it to be. Since the monorail has 6 driven wheels in between the 7 cars with two unpowered wheels at either end, the traction electronics and motors have to go somewhere, that somewhere is up in between cars.
Disney's Monorails, as well as Bombardier's copycat Alweg-Style monorail cars all feature this handicap. It's important to note that in 1962 and before that Dr. Axel Lennart WEnner-Gren (ALWEG is an acronym from the first letters of his name, with the E added to make it pronounceable) was able to have a monorail which was 4 cars long with a completely articulated design and could have been any length desired. NYCTA crowds could easily have been held by a 10 or 12 car version of the train. The car had only two intrusions into the passenger area, where the bogie was located, and longitudinal seating covered those. Japan has copied the Alweg setup and has improved upon it, their monorails no longer have the intrusion that the 1962 Seattle monorail has, but have a level floor with longitudinal seating along the outsides, like any current NYCTA stock less than 75 feet long.
As such, you can imagine that my definition of a transit monorail, as opposed to an amusement park monorail, is one that allows a passenger to pass through end to end, either by way of doors, or by way of an articulation. As such Disneyland's monorails, Las Vegas' new monorail, EWR Airtrain, all of them do not count as transit monorails, since they lack that basic capacity to move people between cars while the train is underway.
Next time you might want to do some research.
til next time
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David
Of course then the seating capacity is halved, and I'm willing to bet the divider between the seats might start to work it's way upward after a while. :)
I'm sure no SubTalker made themself eat THAT much filth.
The DOLLAR or 99¢ menus are awesome. For whatever reason, getting many small items is more filling than one large one. It's too bad that they eliminated some of the items that they had originally on it. McDonald's needs to bring back the ribwich. Burger King should bring back the Jalapeño poppers and mozzarella sticks (although McDonald's and White Castle have the latter, so it's no big deal).
Wendy's is the best with regards to the value menu. Their chicken nuggets are on there!
As for fries: When I go to Burger King, I order onion rings. When I go to White Castle, I order onion or chicken rings.
The problem with super size is that they increased the fries and soda, which no one wanted to have increased. If they made the sandwiches bigger, it would be far more popular.
Agreed. Such a concept would have been common sense to McDonalds' but I think they were too shocked from Morgan Spurlock's 'SuperSize Me' despite denying any relation to it when they discontinued the SuperSizing option. It's received rave reviews from the top critics. I'd recommend seeing it when it comes out next month. Visit the official website here.
The DOLLAR or 99¢ menus are awesome.
Indeed they are. I believe Wendy's started this trend... Only McDonald's made their's more publicly known.
For whatever reason, getting many small items is more filling than one large one.
Makes sense. I think many nutritionists attribute weight gain to continuous snacking since you never think it adds up... It's recommended you substitute the snacks for water as it provided the 'filling' feeling as well.
It's too bad that they eliminated some of the items that they had originally on it. McDonald's needs to bring back the ribwich.
It's McRib, actually. A recent episode of The Simpsons parodies this quite well. It's the one where Lisa goes in a national spelling bee contest and Homer is forced to choose whether go there or to chase 'RibWiches' (made by Krusty Burger) around then nation>
Burger King should bring back the Jalapeño poppers and mozzarella sticks (although McDonald's and White Castle have the latter, so it's no big deal).
Certainly.
Wendy's is the best with regards to the value menu. Their chicken nuggets are on there!
Their nuggets have been white meat all this time, correct? McDonald's Nuggets weren't all white until that a judge brought it up in relation to a thrown out suit that claimed that McDonald's made the litigants overweight.
As for fries: When I go to Burger King, I order onion rings. When I go to White Castle, I order onion or chicken rings.
I like your style. I still wonder why McDonald's doesn't offer Onion rings...then again, you have curly fries at Arby's.
McDonald's has just one standard beef patty which is used as the basis for different items. If they had a supersized burger, one that wasn't just two or three stacked patties, they'd have to get a different size.
Note how "hamburger patty" is in quotes.
---Sir Ronald of McDonald
We won't know the answer for a while, as I doubt he'll be able to access SubTalk from Bellevue.
Both rides were on a (B) Slant-40, and timed from initial point of power to zero velocity. Of course, different equipment and different operators can cause variablity, but these times are just as I remembered them from prior years.
I attribute the ten second longer northbound trip to the net uphill climb; W4th is deeper below the surface than 34th, and also Manhattan's surface rises slightly at midtown.
Before the field shunting change, the ride was about 15 seconds faster southbound and 20 seconds faster northbound (the "uphill" portion caused less deceleration back then).
Weight - R-9 = 85,000 Lbs. R-40 GOH = 77,000 Lbs
Horsepower - R-9 = 380 HP R-40 GOH = 460 HP
Please feel free to draw your own conclusions.
But the removal of the shunt for beefier motors may not have resulted in a "draw" ...
R-40 original balancing spees was 50 MPH with the 100 HP traction motors. My documentation was never updated for the post-GOH 115 HP traction motors.
As for perceptions, the R-9s sounded fast.
I can only give you anecdotals on running parallel at speed with other car classes (prior to 46's) and while arnines were MIGHTY slow on getting UP to speed, they did balance ONE or TWO MPH higher than pretty much anything else once they GOT there. Obviously, I'm talking "de minimus" to the extreme here, but they did balance EVER so slightly higher than other pre-GOH equipment once all balanced out without having to change momentum for silly things like station stops, etc. But for my own anecdotal here, I've passed everything else slowly not accounting for trains I was racing going into coast and beginning to apply ... natch, we dusted them then as they slowed down and I didn't. :)
One advantage that the R-9 and it's IRT/BMT counterparts enjoyed over the more modern equipment is that they had a true 'coast' position. Modern (R-10 and up) equipment had no true coast position. It was either power of brake.
I know that someone you know by the name of Eddie most likely has access to one - I expect Branford has one, probably Kingston and very likely Seashore. I *know* they existed, but never saw one (something about my "job title") ... and not only did they have a REAL coast ... they had "unattended coast" as well! Many yardmasters called them "escapees" if you didn't use your ratchets properly. Heh.
You can listen to it via RealAudio
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My inquiring mind wants to know!!
Tony
I don't know exactly when they were phased out in toto, but the beginning of the end started on the last monday or tuesday in August 1966 with the debut of the R-38's on the F line. There was an article in the NY Daily News headlined "Lighting the Way" with a picture of a VERY happy IND conductor in the "conductors" cab. :^)
Is this correct?
Also, during this same time period (1966), where were the R7s, R7As and R9s were operating? Wasn't this BEFORE they started appearing on the Eastern Division?
When I was a conductor, got REAL good at yanking the door, opening the panel, giving it a shove, pulling the seat and throwing the handles on the 4's and 6's after throwing the "up and over" locks. On the older cars, it wasn't unusual to have only two half doors on a side that actually opened and CLOSED. You had dead motors, unintended trailers, intermittents up the wazoo - the lights would come on after hitting an interlock, go back out and stay out after hitting another and pretty much the same for traction power. They WERE a handful by 1970. Me being the sick puppy I am, I *enjoyed* it ... hell, if the train laid down *I* still got paid. Heh.
7's and 9's were mostly on the Concourse though until they migrated east. Hopefully some other folks with better details of the earlier period will come forward with better details for ya ...
All I can say about your experience with the R-1/9s is, you liked them, they liked you.:) 1689 knows all about that.
Back when *I* worked for the (ta) we were ALL in the same sinking boat. When a train *GOT* to the terminal, it was a RED LETTER DAY! Heh. Call the newspapers! But all of us who did the TA shuffle back then were interested in only ONE thing - Making the railroad work DESPITE Rottenfeller and his republican marching band ... arnines have ALWAYS been more than subway cars to me - they represent SURVIVAL and "wing it or fling it, this pig's gonna ROLL ..." Something SADLY lacking in our chit the pants crowd - terrorists are gonna kill us. DAMN! *WE* had the Russkies, who would have put us under a mushroom cloud ANY DAY, any TIME of the day, any SECOND NOW ... *GEEZ!*
All we've got is this !@$^&$#%@ wimpass Shrub ... "VOTE FOR ME OR DIE." "IGNORE that man behind the blue curtain." :(
Also, during this same time period (1966), where were the R7s, R7As and R9s were operating? Wasn't this BEFORE they started appearing on the Eastern Division?
Far Rock: Virtually all the original IND fleet was still in serice in the summer of 1966. The new cars that were coming in were still being used to replace Standards either directly or indirectly.
In the summer of 1966 the IND Jamaica Line experienced a maintenance meltdown. The yard was so full of bad order cars that even the work trains couldn't get out.
Twenty R-38's had been delivered and were being held out of service for testing. A strike at the St Louis Car Company prevented any further deliveries.
The shortage of R-1/9's reached critical proportions and on August 23 the 20 R-38's began revenue operation to protect the service. One trainset went into service on the E while the other entered service on the F. Both trains entered revenue service at Queens Plaza. The F left first at 950AM to Second Avenue followed by the E to Hudson Terminal.
32 R-16's were transfered from the BMT to the GG and were placed in service on September 12 with some additional readings added to their rollsigns.
In order to replace the R-16's on the Bway-Bklyn Lcl Standards were pulled off the Coney Island scarapline and put back into revenue service.
Larry,RedbirdR33
1. Did Jamaica also swapped their R1/4s with 207th St and Concourse's R6s which were in better shape?
2. Also, during this same time period (1966), where were the R7s, R7As and R9s were operating?
3. Wasn't this (1966) BEFORE they started appearing on the Eastern Division?
Yes:
3. Wasn't this (1966) BEFORE they started appearing on the Eastern Division?
This is correct. R-1/9's did not appear on the BMT until the opening of the Chrystie Street Line in November of 1967.
Sorry, I can't give a defintive answer to #1.
Larry,RedbirdR33
2. Also, during this same time period (1966), WHERE WERE the R7s, R7As and R9s were operating?
My apolgies. I misunderstood your question.
The only references I have are as follows.
June 1964
100-149 Queens
150-299 Bx-WHts
300-814 Queens
815-1489 Bx-WHts
1490-1802 Queeens
By June 1967 it had changed to the following
100-1014 Bx-WHts
1015-1802 Queens.
BY Februay 1968 it looked like this
100-639 Bx-WHts
640-1802 Queens
Although by 1968 they were often mixed up.
Don't know if this will help.
Best Wishes, Larry, RedbirdR33
The Jamaica did switch their R1s and R4s with the Bx and Wash Hgts R6s and even R7s (didn't know about the R7s)
It also tells me that by Feb '68 that the R38s and R40s displaced the R7/9s to the Eastern Division.
Thank you very much for the information. I've been trying to get this information for years.
Just out of curiousity, when did the R1/9s stop operating on the "AA", "B", "D", "GG"?
Thanks.
It also tells me that by Feb '68 that the R38s and R40s displaced the R7/9s to the Eastern Division.
Thank you very much for the information. I've been trying to get this information for years.
Just out of curiousity, when did the R1/9s stop operating on the "AA", "B", "D", "GG
Give me a little time and I might be able to dig up the information.
Are you going on the IRT Fantrip on April 17 (Saturday). I could give you some information that you might find useful. If not e-mail me.
Larry,RedbirdR33@hotmail.com
Again, thanks for the information.
It also tells me that by Feb '68 that the R38s and R40s displaced the R7/9s to the Eastern Division.
Thank you very much for the information. I've been trying to get this information for years.
Just out of curiousity, when did the R1/9s stop operating on the "AA", "B", "D", "GG
Give me a little time and I might be able to dig up the information.
Are you going on the IRT Fantrip on April 17 (Saturday). I could give you some information that you might find useful. If not e-mail me.
Larry,RedbirdR33@hotmail.com
I'm working through the records from 1968 onwards.
the car assignment for the R 1-9's a/o 3/9/70 was
CC 245 cars
D 155
E/HH 148
F 276
EE 100
GG 30
KK 130
LL 123
QB/QJ 30
Cars 100-839 (400 left) assigned to The Bronx CC,D
Cars 840-1439 (560 left) assigned to Queens E,F,GG,HH
Cars 1440-1802 assinged to BMT Eastern Division KK,LL,QJ/QB
Note that there where no R-1/9's aasigned to the B. However Brighton Line passengers started to complain about the old cars and starting Novemebr 23,1970 several trains re-entered service on the B for the first time since March 6,1970
Larry,RedbirdR33
Your quite right. Although in the days after Chrystie Street openned it was always possible to see almost always possible to see any car on any line. This continued into the early 70's as well.
Also since the R-1/9's were reassinged to the B in Novemeber 1970 it would have included the AA as well.
Larry,RedbirdR33
As a result, the D put-ins from Coney could pretty much be anything on any given day such as 486-107-1356-122-1672, etc ... often when going to prep, my northbound D would have to have all the signs changed from F (and Queens got D trains from time to time) ... in other words, yard assignments were not necessarily an indicator of what was actually "out there" ...
Back then though, motor and truck replacement was Coney's exclusively as far as I knew back then, so if something was B/O'd, it'd go to Coney. They'd run through them and knock together 10 cars of whatever came off the big bug and off it went. And while they may have TRIED to get it back to its assigned yard, a particular car in a particular train would get there eventually via the scenic route. And while I remember Coney D trains MOSTLY being 4's and 6's, there were a lot of 1's and 9's in them too. Even 1575 would make a guest appearance now and then too - that thing stuck out like a lighthouse in the middle of the Pacific and I don't think it was ever assigned to the D ...
Back then, it was "wing it or fling it" and "if it moves at ALL, it GOES" ... them was desperate times and car and whole train swaps were QUITE normal ...
The phenomenon of old E/new F persists to this day, with the F being predominately R46 (but with a recent significant infusion of 32s) and the E being predominately 32s. However, between November '81 and December '90, I saw nothing but 46s on both lines.
So, Brighton passengers "complained" about having old trains? And the TA acted on these complaints? Obviously ten years of 27/30s and Brightliners spoiled them. Maybe this is why 1/9s seemed to disappear from the D around 1972. Of course, passengers on the QB, Concourse, Canarsie and Jamaica lines had to suffer with them for another four to five years. I guess nobody on those lines complained-
The last time I remember seeing a 1/9 on the EE was also in '72, to be replaced largely by 16s, 38s and the occasional 32, Mod-40 or 42. Likewise, the M seemed to stop carrying prewars in favor of 27/30s and 42s at the turn of 1972-73 when it replaced the QJ as weekday Brighton local.
I NEVER saw a 1/9 in revenue service on the A, AA, B or QB in person-only on photos in this site.
Right off the top of my head, I can remember riding on nine prewar AA trains - all before November of 1967.
Tony leong
But it happened to me, happened to a few others as well ... rush hour, natch ...
In all seriousness, if you ain't got the Ooomph to go forward, then if you release the air, that puppy's going to go the wrong way, resulting in ummm ... "customer injury" ... stop and stay was the only alternative at that point until I could get a push from a "real" train.
Indeed: The Fab Four. Now there's only two left.
I rode both trains of R-38's the second day that they were in service. They really were quite nice and that TA logo with the R-10 on it was a nice touch.
Larry,RedbirdR33
Can't remember anything that even remotely hinted at something like that. It was the usual feelgood pap fed to the sheeple, nothing a railfan would find memorable (only an investigative reporter would've revealed stuff like that, even then, only after a fire).
I'm not one to ask, as I was in the city only on Saturdays back then. Once the R-32s too over on the AA, the R-1/9s were rarely seen there.
The last run of the R 1/9's on the IND was on September 22, 1976 on the CC between Bedford Park Boulevard and Euclid Avenue. The consist was (n)1057,937,1283,1294,1132,1004,1145,1314.
The last run of the R-1/9s on the BMT was on March 31,1977 on the J. It left 168 Street-Jamaica at 801AM and ran in "A" skip-stop service to Broad Street. The consist was (n) 1398x722,1497,1654,1584,1693,1416,1683,1676. One posters on this board (I believe it was Mark) stated that there was a second train behind this one.
It shuold be noted that until a few weeks ago this was the last operation of the R 1/9's in regular revenue service. But on the March of Dimes Fantrip the cars once again ran in regular revenue operation.
Larry, RedbirdR33
I was on a similar fantrip in 1974 when a fantrip of D-Types ran in regular service on the Culver Shuttle after nearly an absence of ten years. Not only where the local passengers surprised but we probably set an all-time one day ridership record for the Culver Shuttle as the fantrip was packed with railfans.
Larry,RedbirdR33
Bless their souls. May they operate in regular service for years to come, and to the delight of many.
---Sir Ronald of McDonald
Tony Leong
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http://www.subwayspot.com/gallery/Daves-Tourist-Photos/MN_98st3
So your hole in the fence looks like it was in the right part of my photo here.
http://www.nytimes.com/2004/04/04/realestate/04SCAP.html
MPEG video of the original film HERE:
http://lcweb2.loc.gov/mbrs/lcmp002/m2b19440.mpg
And "QuickTime" here:
http://lcweb2.loc.gov/mbrs/lcmp002/m2b19440.mov
And the LINKS to these were right here on nycsubway.org ... sheesh. :(
Ok, with as big a tripod and cine camera as you would like!
: ) Elias
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-Ben Diamond (a.k.a. 4traintowoodlawn)
Your pal,
Fred
Forgot to mention: The photo is from the 1940's.
Also Two questions about Coney Island: 1. when is the rebuilding supposed to finish and 2. What lines will serve it.
I have tried to find info about it online and have come up short. Any information will be helpful.
Thanks in advance for your help.
Jack
-Chris
Jack
Jack
You can make it from NYP to Coney Island and back. Stick with the first car and you should be OK.
Well next time I go to GCT I'm taking all the damn pictures I want, and I'll be damned if anyone stops me.
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U.S. Transit Systems Increasing Security
Updated 7:24 AM ET April 3, 2004
By CURT ANDERSON
WASHINGTON (AP) - A warning that terrorists might strike trains and buses in major U.S. cities using bombs concealed in bags or luggage has the nation's transit systems ratcheting up security measures.
Greg Hull, security chief for the American Public Transportation Association, said Friday the transit systems are at "code yellow-plus" following the bulletin about a possible terror plot from the FBI and the Homeland Security Department.
U.S. officials said they had received uncorroborated intelligence reports about a plot by terrorists to target commercial transportation systems but had no information about specific cities or dates.
A senior federal law enforcement official, speaking Friday on condition of anonymity, said the intelligence, coupled with the deadly March 11 commuter train attacks in Madrid in which bombs went off inside backpacks, has increased the level of wariness about a similar attack in the United States.
"It should not be considered unusual that the FBI should issue this kind of a bulletin in the wake of what occurred in Madrid last month," the Amtrak passenger railroad said in a statement.
Homeland Security spokesman Brian Roehrkasse said information in the bulletin was being shared via the National Law Enforcement Telecommunications System to ensure proper security measures are implemented nationwide.
Officials said the message was sent mainly out of an abundance of caution, and the threat _ deemed "somewhat credible" by one official _ was not causing undue alarm throughout the government.
The nation's terror alert level remains at yellow, or elevated, the midpoint of the five-color scale. It was last raised to orange, or high, on Dec. 21 amid suspicions about terror attacks using commercial aircraft. The level returned to yellow on Jan. 10.
Passengers could see changes because of the bulletin. Federal officials are encouraging local transit authorities to conduct random passenger inspections and security sweeps of stations and to increase public announcements encouraging people to report unattended baggage or suspicious behavior.
Intelligence indicates a plot might involve bombs made of ammonium nitrate fertilizer and diesel fuel, similar to the explosive concealed in a rental truck that blew up the Oklahoma City federal building in 1995. Both items are readily available.
The improvised bombs would be concealed in luggage and carry-on bags, such as backpacks or duffel bags, and detonated either aboard buses or trains or in transportation stations, the government warning says.
Al-Qaida and other terrorist groups have "demonstrated the intent and capability" of attacking public transportation systems using a variety of bombs, the bulletin says. Attacks in Israel, Greece, Turkey, Spain and elsewhere have used suicide bombers or triggered bombs with timers and cell phones.
Between 1997 and 2000, more than 195 terror attacks occurred on transit systems worldwide, congressional investigators say.
On Friday, Spanish authorities found and disarmed a bomb connected to a detonator with a 450-foot cable under tracks of a high-speed railway between Madrid and Seville.
More than 9 billion trips are taken each year on the U.S. public transportation system, with 32 million trips every weekday _ about 16 times the number of trips taken on airlines, according to the American Public Transportation Association.
The association estimates that $6 billion is needed to upgrade and modernize U.S. transit systems to meet security needs. The Transportation Security Administration dedicated only $10 million for passenger rail and public transit security in the current year's budget, according to the House Homeland Security Committee.
"Failure to invest in the security of passenger rail and public transit could leave these critical systems vulnerable to terrorist attack," the committee's Democrats said in a letter to Homeland Security Secretary Tom Ridge. "Making these systems as safe as they can be from terrorist attack must be a high priority."
After the Madrid bombings, the Homeland Security Department announced a series of security initiatives, but with no major new funding plans.
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And besides that, I can't wait for the sleazy anti-transit campaigns to start using that figure to persuade people about the evils of transit.
"Between 1997 and 2000, more than 195 terror attacks occurred on transit systems worldwide, congressional investigators say. "
Maybe I changed the point of the message, but that's some of the stances and outcomes I can see happening.
A good friend of mine, who's not exactly the best driver in the world, will ask, "Is it safe?" if I suggest she take a train.
Your pal,
Fred
One reason why I supported the Iraq war (actually, THE one reason) is that the US can now put bases in Iraq and wouldn't need to have any in Shitty Arabia, the world's prime sponsor of terror. Now if we need to, we can attack the REAL Axis of Evil fairly easily.
No Mike, even Romans had plumbing.
Which is what I was referring to, the Islamic world. What's your point.
"DEFINATELY"Definitely not part of the civilized world.
Peace,
ANDEE
Even rich places like the United States can give birth to terrorists (McVeigh, et. al). I'd like to see a suicide bomber come from Kansas City who used to live in Bayside.
Bravo!
We tend to sometimes think of people with turpins as potential terrorists. The ones with the turpins are safe. Terrorists try to blend in to society so that they can plan their dirty work. They don't want to stand out and have people possibly discover what they are planning.
Saudi Arabia is quite complex. Here is my take. In theory, the crown is in control of the country. The royal family likes our money and tries to look like our friend so we buy their oil. The real power though is in the hands of the religious mullahs and they want the clock turned back a thousand or so years. The mullahs are the one pushing the extremely conservative teachings. They are the ones who are causing many segments of the population to take our oil money and give it to Osama, Hammas and other groups with similar intentions.
Matthew Mummert
Matthew Mummert
Iran, and the fundamentalists in Iraq, are of a different variety.
Wahhabism does require any reason other than not being a Wahhabist for jihad.
It remained a minor sect until the repressive policies of the House of Saud and only achieved promise thirty years ago. The reason Osama (who is an adherant of Wahhabism) was able to build it into a threat is that the bin Laudin wealth (via the House of Saud) provided the massive amounts of money that made Al Queda a threat.
Some terrorist experts believe that capturing or killing bin Laudin might reduce Al Queda to a regional threat only or might dismember it entirely.
A *TRUE* patriot would NEVER withstand erosions of OUR freedoms for the benefit of those who would harm us. What we're doing (and what you speak of) is PRECISELY what the terrorists *WANTED* ... to speak in FAVOR of "clamping down on the American people and our WAY OF LIFE" is only SERVING the terrorists and doing THEIR will instead of OURS. Was this acceptable as public policy during the "Cuban Missile Crisis" or the PINNACLE of where we almost *DID* get nuked? The "Mitchell affair?"
Once again, no offense - but if we INSIST on this silliness, then the prophetic words of Benjamin Franklin are as meaningless as Rush Limbaugh. :(
"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."
INTERCOURSE AL AQEDA *and* the "current regime" ... we're AMERICANS dammit ... aren't we BETTER than this? :(
I still see nothing wrong with a police officer asking me why I'm walking along the LIRR ROW in my town. If I'm asked why I'm taking pictures, I don't mind answering. I don't view those as abridgements to my personal freedom. I found not being able to take an R train to Brooklyn after 9/11 a major infringement, however. Lets face it, our government has not changed our way of life. It's the lunatic islamic Fundamentalists that we can thank for that.
Let's be REAL here - I know you value "real" which is the ONLY reason I'm posting ... this is ***SO*** off topic for here, but BECAUSE folks are wetting their pants over getting on a TRAIN lately, it's ever so remotely ON topic for here, thus I'll feed this kitty. :(
We're being PHUCKED with here ... I won't peddle the so-called "liberal stance" that the 2000 elections were a LITERAL COUP D'ETAT. But let's be real here - Americans did NOT blow up WTC or the Pentagon - these were "visitors" on the PRECIOUS republican H2 visas here ... the FAILURE was in IMMIGRATION CONTROL and MONITORING and NOT a failure that requires that AMERICANS be punished ... *HAD* the government DONE its job, WE wouldn't be being punished and there'd be no damned NEED for any of this.
I don't see how FURTHER sublimating the American people would correct the flaw. It'd be a LOT more "AMERICAN" to just say "you ain't a citizen, GET OUT" ... THAT would SOLVE the problem aside from PROPERLY manning and maintaining the desks at "Immigration" at the entries of way ...
Am *I* *missing* something here? :(
As to "non-citizens", no one seems to be MORE in favor of illegal immigration that the "party of Lincoln" (can't BELIEVE that Wal*Mart has to go "off the street" for labor for that miraculous $5.25 an hour that they pay) and the "give them drivers licenses" stuff nor the "Mexican truckers" thing ... but I digress. MAYBE they'll vote republican, and the CUBAN vote overrides AL Qaeda ... NO JOKE ... the REASON why AL QAEDA got into the country to BEGIN with is the republican congress' little "H2 visa" trip ... meanwhile HAITIANS get turned away. :-\
SERIOUSLY though ... all TWENTY of the terrorists were on the "do NOT admit" list ... only problem is BUDGET CUTS prevented the INS people who COULD have stopped them by having the DATA let the bastards IN because they didn't SHOW UP on the immigration computers. :(
So we HAD 20 out of 20 ... once again, why are *WE* being punished for the failures of our *****POLITICOS*****?????
Oh PLEASE, call it what it is MALL-WART 8=)
Peace,
ABDEE
That's your opinion, but I certainly wouldn't agree.
This story in Time will probably anger you. Homeland security is becoming just another pork barrel.
We can go to ultimate security where anyone who isn't where they're supposed to be can be subject to arrest or at least questioning. "Isn't where they're supposed to be" is rather broad, but that's what it will come to IMO.
Look at what's happened since 9/11
The U.S. is more a house divided than in almost any time in history.
The U.S. is engaged in 2 costly wars that could potentially bankrupt us. Fighting terrorism is war without end. Ask Israel.
We are ready to tank the Constitution for perceived security and lock ourselves in some safe haven, rather than live our lives as a free society.
If this is what Al Qaida planned with their attack (other than the Iraq war) then they acted with sheer genius. If not, they've been handed the luckiest tactical hand of cards in recent history.
So what can we do?
A. Stop underestimating the enemy. They are clever, move quickly and are decentralized enough so that there is no 'dragon's head' to cut off and defeat them. Stop thinking that they are simply envious of us or that they simply want to kill anyone non-Islamic.
B. Make public any and all information regarding who was asleep at that switch before 9/11. This is clearly not going to be easy and heads will roll, but it will have a cleansing effect on our intelligence agencies. Or not, if this was indeed a classic case of corruption.
C. Lose, once and for all, this concept of 'the enemy of my enemy is my friend'. That's a foolish and weak strategy and ensures later betrayal and tactical problems in the future. Osama bin Laden, Saddam Hussein, Manuel Noriega...
D. Saudi Arabia is not our ally. Nuff said.
E. Patch up as quickly as possible the diplomatic damage done to our alliances before the Iraq war. The clumsy and arguably childish tactics the U.S. engaged in to bring war to Iraq have done considerably more harm than good and gave terrorism another victory. All countries need to be united against terrorism and we need to restore credibility to our foreign policy. ('Freedom Fries' - give_me_a_friggin_break).
F. Military options work best when performed in tandem with adroit diplomacy. If you don't believe this, then ask yourself how far you are willing to go militarily to end terrorism? Do you feel that it may require more intense warfare, perhaps a Final Solution?
G. Make a concerted effort to resolve the Israeli-Palestinian war. This is a US led UN project; we've been unsuccesful going solo on this and it seems to me that it's not treated as very important to anyone in office right now.
I. Take away this six pack of IPA; I gotta get off this soapbox!
Your pal,
Fred
Your pal,
Fred
While I despise Sharon for FANNING the flames of terrorism, there's ONE thing I AGREE with ... IF you're going to make war, we'll SHOW you that not only isn't it worth it, but the PRICE of it is TOO damned high. This is the ONLY reason why we survived the "cold war" ... and it's DAMNED well good time to say "you can live with us in peace and cooperation, otherwise we'll take you out. COMPLETELY."
The ONLY solution to terrorists is a GUARANTEE that they can be outdone. During the "cold war" the CONSEQUENCES were *SO* extreme that nobody DARED to be stupid ... now these bastards have CARTE BLANCHE. Call me a "liberal" if you will, but the ONLY solution is OVERWHELMING "Oh yeah?" ... and OUR leaders have no balls. They'd rather do the WILL of the terrorists by taking *US* out than doing the REAL enemy and PROPERLY funding the necessity. WHERE IT MATTERS. :(
Okay, I'm easy. Nuke em.
The lunatics in power make the TALIBAN look reasonable. :(
I guess the policy should be changed to read Any state that harbors or gives support to a terrorist that strikes the US or a US interest will pay the ultimate price as long as doing so will not cause any hardship to the American people or as long as the country in question cannot put up any real resistance, ala Afghanistan & Iraq!
Afghanistan as a target was a correct choice. Not because of its ability to resist but its direct link to the 9/11 terrorists. Would Saudi Arabia have made a better second target than iraq did? Perhaps yes but look at the fallout. Going after Saddam gave Khadafi pause and he changed his position. He saw the insanity of being an enemy of this nation. However, if we flattened Saudi arabia, presumably an allie of ours, than how would Khadafi have felt more secure in moving in our direction. Might he have thought that even as an 'allie', he might too be attacked? Besides, one more major attack on US soil and I think Saudi Arabia will taste out ire, too.
Your pal,
Fred
Afghanistan, as a target, was a correct choice. Not because of its ability to resist but its direct link to the 9/11 terrorists. Would Saudi Arabia have made a better second target than iraq did? Perhaps yes but look at the fallout. Going after Saddam gave Khadafi pause and he changed his position. He saw the insanity of being an enemy of this nation. However, if we flattened Saudi arabia, presumably an allie of ours, than how would Khadafi have felt more secure in moving in our direction. Might he have thought that even as an 'allie', he might too be attacked? Besides, one more major attack on US soil and I think Saudi Arabia will taste out ire, too.
Afghanistan as a target was a correct choice. Not because of its ability to resist but its direct link to the 9/11 terrorists. Would Saudi Arabia have made a better second target than iraq did? Perhaps yes but look at the fallout. Going after Saddam gave Khadafi pause and he changed his position. He saw the insanity of being an enemy of this nation. However, if we flattened Saudi arabia, presumably an allie of ours, than how would Khadafi have felt more secure in moving in our direction. Might he have thought that even as an 'allie', he might too be attacked? Besides, one more major attack on US soil and I think Saudi Arabia will taste out ire, too.
Afghanistan, as a target, was a correct choice. Not because of its ability to resist but its direct link to the 9/11 terrorists. Would Saudi Arabia have made a better second target than iraq did? Perhaps yes but look at the fallout. Going after Saddam gave Khadafi pause and he changed his position. He saw the insanity of being an enemy of this nation. However, if we flattened Saudi arabia, presumably an allie of ours, than how would Khadafi have felt more secure in moving in our direction. Might he have thought that even as an 'allie', he might too be attacked? Besides, one more major attack on US soil and I think Saudi Arabia will taste out ire, too.
I think both Russia, China and France have enough nuclear weapons to make attacking them not in our best interest.
Moreover, look how we have been treating that total scumbag in North Korea with the kit gloves because if we make the slightest move against him he'll destroy both Soeul and Tokyo. Despite that Kim whatever his name being about 100 times the threat of Saddam, we feel we can negioate with him. The facts speak for themselves, this administration only enters fights it can win in a politically positve way.
Also, Iraq did not have any cohereant policy of terror support. Al Queda's fundamentalist stance was a grave threat to Saddam's secular regime. In fact, the best thing we could have done to suppress terrorism in Iraq was to keep Saddam in power.
All this so called "policy" has done is expose the regime in Washington for the double dealing hypocrites they are.
If you are an honest debater you will provide us with a legitimate source for that statement.
What is with you and this arguement here. Were not you railing on about your tax burden like 5 threads ago? Why do you want to cut social services for your fellow Americans, yet liberally dole them out to people who hate our fucking guts??
You know it's musheads like yourself that has allowed the Bush regime to subjugate this country. First they hook you in with the Republican greed and it's promices to screw all of "those people" who are making your life so darned miserable. Next, then they themselves become the ones giving it to you up the ass they distract you with patriotic paranoia. You need to open your eyes man, turn off the AM radio and open a book or something.
Yes, I want my taxes cut. I want to eliminate government waste in welfare, medicare and SSI fraud. Do you think this is a wrong-minded goal? The problem with you is that you only see what you want to see and believe what you want to believe. I don't believe in saving the iraqis. I've said many times that that it would not bother me if we took that entire region of the world and melted it and then paved it over. I don't want another one of my tax dollars to go to save anyone in that region. The current administration is wrong to confuse regiem change with some obscure moral obligation to save the iraquis. A pox on all of them. Saddam's gone, let's move on.
My point is why search the couch for spare change when your stack of 20's is blowing out the window. Shut the window first then spend your time picking up the change. In fact, compared to the stack of 20's you just saved the change might not even be worth your while anymore.
Every argument you pose must be an all or nothing proposition.
Why don't you be more specific? I don't feel I have done any such thing.
Yes, I want my taxes cut. I want to eliminate government waste in welfare, medicare and SSI fraud. Do you think this is a wrong-minded goal?
At this point in time, yes I do. You are re-arranging the deck chairs on a sinking ship and you should refactor your priorities. Moreover I think you have horribly simplified the problem at hand. "Eliminate Fraud" is a trojan term that trickes people into supporting an issue before they get socked with the details. How much fraud do you think there actually is? How much will it cost to fight this fraud? How many legitimate users of a service are you willing to screw to eliminate this fraud? Your Republican rethoretic in no way answers these hard questions.
I don't want another one of my tax dollars to go to save anyone in that region. The current administration is wrong to confuse regiem change with some obscure moral obligation to save the iraquis. A pox on all of them. Saddam's gone, let's move on.
It seems that you need another history lesson. Will you agree that we should be fighting terrorism? As was evident from Afghanistan, Sudan and Somolia, ignoreing the problems does not cause them to go away, in fact it makes them much worse. When we left the Afghans in a lurch after the fall of communism the Taliban came to power. When we failed to support the Shah the Allatolah came to power. Saddam was not a terrorist threat to this country. He cared more about himself than he did getting back at us. He knew if he ever tried anything that we would invade in a nannoseccond. Terrorists were a threat to his regime therefore keeping him in power helped safeguard the US against Iraqi based terrorists. However, since we made the decision to remove him, simply leaving Iraq in a lurch will only create another Afghanistan. A theocratic terrorist haven. Frankly, I don't think we can prevent such a thing from happening even with our assistance, but that is neither here nor there. Fighting terror (or communism) is not a simple matter of killing a few people or dropping some bombs. It takes effort and resources directed in a careful and intelligent fashion. And keep in mind that starving people who have embraced religious fervor have little fear of bombs or missiles.
What I want you to do is to hold this administration responsible for it's ineptitude, get mad and refuse to take it any more.
I don't need to hold this administration responsible for anything. If you do, then you get your chance in November. Just remember that it was the Clinton administration that missed the free shots at bin Laden after he had declared war on the US. He was too busy having the presidential knob polished and with most of the blood not reaching his head, he was unable to think straight. Now if you want to vote for Kerry, do so. He's easier to agree with since he's on both sides of every issue.
Finally if you think that eliminating fraud in any gov't program is wrong then shame on you.
You must live in a very unusual jurisdiction if the greatest portion of your property taxes doesn't go for the local school system.
And when you retire, would you really honestly prefer to have lower taxes and pay all your own medical bills, no matter how high or low, yourself? If you are lucky you'll save a bundle; if you're unlucky you'll have to sell your home to pay your medical bills.
Medicare is really much more of an insurance program (the lucky healthy folks subsidize the unlucky unhealthy ones) than an entitlement program.
When I talk about medicare amd medicade, I'm not talking about the ones who need it. i'm talking about those who frequent mills to get free prescriptions that they turn around and sell. I'm talking about other scams that people like me pay for. Anyone who doesn't think there are welfare scams, medicare scams and SSI scams either has their head in the sand or between their butt cheeks.
There are welfare scams. There are also scams in user-fee-supported public agencies like NYCT and the MTA. There are also scams in private companies - a big company like Verizon or Con Ed is always finding someone's hand in the till.
A reasonable amount of diligence is always critical, or else the scammers run wild. But if you think that reducing fraud in any of the above can significantly cut your taxes, user fees, or utility bills, I think you are very mistaken.
We're ready to scrap what makes this country great due to extreme national paranoia.
It's because America was too used to winning its wars. Until 2001, every war in which this ocuntry had fought ended as an American victory. True, the outcome of Vietnam was questionable, but we can take solace in the fact that we inflicted far more deaths on the enemy than we suffered in return. But then comes 9/11, one of the most crushing defeats in world history, and the nation goes psycho. We strike out blindly at our own people, rapidly becoming a police state in the process, yet do nothing to the real enemy except a pathetically feeble "attack" on Afghanistan.
The most efficient place to erect security barriers is at the border. Moreover, we need to activly go after the real causes of terrorism like Shitty Arabia and religious fundamentalism in ALL it's forms. If I had the choice b/t building a wall and giving the desperate populations a reason not to go blow themselves up I'd pick the latter.
Palestinians employed in ISRAEL *HAD* a chance for a brighter future, and economic independence and PROSPERITY. INSTEAD, the morons LITERALLY blew all that up. :(
*ZERO* sympathy for them ... they *HAD* a chance, they LITERALLY BLEW it. *IF* "Islam" wants to live in the era of the "crusades" (a moral BLOWOUT for us "Christians" as a BAD example of "imperialism") then if THIS is the way the religion plans to manifest itself to the rest fo the world (I've READ the Quran) then those INFIDELS who blaspheme Mohammed by these acts DESERVE to be melted into glass, exterminated like cockroaches. :(
I *KNOW* Islam ... the NONSENSE ongoing is anything *BUT* the faith. If THESE are the "martyrs" like Catholics before the lions, then they DESERVE to have their "Stomachs roasted in hell." :(
"Trying to secure the rail, bus, ferry, w/e else systems is a pointless waste of money. It can't be done."
It depends on the price, in terms of money, time, and loss of freedom.
I think some proposals for increasing safety are worth the price, and others are not. Other people's opinions disagree with mine. As long as we can have a national debate on which price is worth paying and which is not, we'll be OK. Unfortuntely, a few people, some with considerable influence, aren't open to a debate on the topic.
The rest of my post is not "silly", it directly addresses your point. Totally securing the subway, which is not possible anyway, will only prevent deaths in subway related attacks, it will not generally prevent deaths due to terrorism.
While there is a level of security that does make sense, trying to make a transit system proof against the likes of suicide bombers is a fools errand. Nobody spends more on security than Isreal and look how they have been able to prevent bus bombings.
So after everyone is driven from the subway due to the 20 minutes background interview and bag search what exactly would you be saving? The lives of people now blown up on buses or the subway infrastructure that is now sitting there unutilized?
I think the ultimate solution is for us to take the war to them and make the consequences of their actions so horrific that no nation will think of giving terrorists a safe haven.
Have you ever considered what would happen if a nation's "terrorist" stance reflected the popular will of it's people, possibly due to the policies and actions of the United States? Hmmm, I think a case study is in order. Did dropping more bombs on North Vietnam than were dropped on Germany in WW2 cause the North Vietnamise to abandon their terrorist insurgency of the south?
What do you think it is about this country that the Islamc Fundamentalist lunatic fringe don't like? Our movies and other images of our culture that find their way into their lands and 'corrupt' their culture. They will tollerate nothing but stict Islamic fundimentalism.
As for your subway scenerio, I'm not suggesting El Al style security for the subways because it would be impracticla at best but does that mean that you don't employ technology that will work? Does it mean that if you can't protect against every eventuality you protect against none?
I've deliberately ignored your injection of North Korea into the argument because korea is a smoke screen. Korea has not yet become a terrorist threat to this nation. The issues are different. The mind-set is different and the solution must also be different.
Let me give you an analogy. Suppose you have a rural courthouse. You'd like to keep weapons out of the courthouse, but have no metal detectors, one at each of the two entrances to the courthouse.
The county says they can only afford one metal detector, but both entrances MUST be kept open for both entry and exit (fire codes or whatever).
You reason, Well, having a metal detector at one entrance is better than having none at all, since this way at least you screen half the people coming in.
Does this work?
True, you might catch a couple retards who carry a piece through the detector and get caught, and the few people who look particularly suspicious might be taken aside and made to walk through the magnetometer, but the simple fact is anyone with an IQ greater than their age who wants to carry a weapon in will simply use the entrance that has no metal detector, and be as inconspicuous as possible while doing it. Simply put, twice the number of weapons will pass through the unsecured entrance, leading to the net same number of weapons smuggled into the courthouse.
To come back to the real situation: Suppose you screen all passengers and packages boarding every Amtrak train. Then they'll just go after the unsecured LIRR and NJT trains at Penn Station. And last I checked, rush hour commuter rail trains generally are much more densely packed than any Amtrak train ever is, so they're better targets in general for Osama's maximum death and devastation MO.
And suppose you bite the bullet and screen all passengers entering commuter rail trains at Penn Station. Who's to stop someone from getting on at one of these little bus stop suburban stations, most of which are at or near street level with little isolation from the surrounding area, so anybody with half a brain could sneak by the security checkpoint (if you can even afford to put a checkpoint at each of the hundred or more commuter rail stations in the metro area.) And even if you did that, what about someone getting on the Lex at some dinky station in the Bronx, riding it down to GCT and blowing up his backpack then?
All you do by adding security (screening passengers, etc.) is cause the terrorists to ply their wares elsewhere - it doesn't cut down the total number of incidents at all, except in the rare case that you get lucky when dealing with a retard (i.e. the shoe bomber, moussaoui and the chicago dirty bomber, all of whom seem to be a few cans short of a sixpack...)
The real way to stop them is to stop these attacks in the planning stage, and this depends on intelligence and surveillance.
The only way to stop them altogether is to convince the potential terrorists that the risks are too great and the benefits too small for them to try anything. Osama managed, through 9/11, to get himself on the sh*t list of every country in the world, sparked two major US-led wars, and singularly shifted the focus of the world's foreign policy. Bush abandoned his "hands-off" Mideast policy altogether in favor of a strongly pro-Israel, pro-democratization foreign policy, exactly what Osama doesn't want. That, I believe, is why al-Qaeda has not repeated 9/11, at least in the US, because they know a repeat of 9/11 will cause them to reap the whirlwind - possibly next time we'll nuke their asses, particularly if they resort to biochem weapons. Other countries haven't fared so well - the Bali bombing, the Madrid bombing, the Saudi bombing, etc.
Another way to look at the problem:
If a terrorist gets into the country and gets his hands on explosives, he can kill a dozen or two people. The situations in Israel, Iraq, and Spain prove that.
Therefore the main efforts should concentrate on:
- Minimizing the number who get in.
- Keeping them from getting access to explosives.
- And the overarching goal should be: keep them from bringing something really major in, like a nuclear device. 90% of the anti-terrorism effort should be going to that, because only a nuclear device can do anywhere near as much damage to this country as we do to ourselves each year with automobiles.
Yeah, maybe you can keep military grade C-4 out of the hands of ordinary civilians, but how do you keep them from making ANFO? Or any of a number of hydrocarbon- or petroleum-based explosive mixes?
It seems that about the only thing that could be done is ban the sale of petroleum and hydrocarbon products, bleach, fertilizer, ammonia, saltpeter, powderized aluminum, magnesium, and a laundry list of other things to anyone named Muhammad, Ahmed, or Mustafa, or who comes into the store with a beard or a turban. I don't think anybody is going to argue that position. And it wouldn't stop a Tim McVeigh, or a WASP designee making the buy for Mohammad, Ahmed or Mustafa.
And there should be pretty strict checking up on people who want to buy a ton of anything dangerous.
I agree with you that it's not possible to prevent small scale terrorism once they get into the country. But 30 pounds of fertilizer here or there, while terrible for the victims, is chicken feed compared to what we do to ourselves with cars. That's why I think 90% of the effort ought to be aimed toward nuclear devices.
Arti
The first question is who holds our debt because our budget and Balance of Payments deficits have become larger than our domestic economy can absorb. The answer is many foreign countries that have had large amounts of dollars that they cannot spend - many of the same arab governments that have also paid off these same islamic terrorists to play their war games elsewhere.
This reality certainly limits how much "pressure" we can apply to encourage these "allies" to help us. Also, we cannot selectively default on this debt because we need all the oil these countries are willing to give us on credit.
As to your justification for your original statement - it's a big no sale here. If a definite link that the Saudi rulers were behind 9/11 or future similar attacks, I don't think any US administration could resist the 'will of the people' to retalliate vigorously and decisively.
But they can instead give some of those dollars away, in relief or welfare aid to neighbouring nations with a similar culture, which don't happen to have oil and are thus poor. And who is to say what people in those poor nations might do with some of that money? You do not have to postulate any malign intent on the part of the *donor* nations to explain why some of this cash ends up subsidising terror.
First: If it's about the balance of payments and national security we take the oil. We could have done so in Iraq if we felt it were necessary. We could in the rest of that part of the world. Of course, do we really need to. US oil reserves plus off shore and North slope fields could reduce the dangers.
Second: Is it all about the oil? it ain't just the gas guzzler SUVs. It'll be the Geo metros too. When the price hits $5/gal. and people can't heat theeeir homes, then even the anti-war groups, the liberals aand democrats will scream for the bloody stuff too. Then we'll see who the true hawwks are.
You CANNOT defend yourself against some WILLING to commit suicide. Just MHO.
Peace,
ANDEE
Israel should kill the families of suicide bombers. At the same time, they should abandon settlements and open a dialogue saying that they are willing to stop and have peace.
Peace must often only follow war.
there you go
Reminds me of the orange county plan, 3 billion in I-4 which engineers said won't do anything to help, but the 400mil for LRT was so horrible.
-Adam
(allisonb500r@aol.com)
And besides that, I can't wait for the sleazy anti-transit campaigns to start using that figure to persuade people about the evils of transit.
"Between 1997 and 2000, more than 195 terror attacks occurred on transit systems worldwide, congressional investigators say. "
Maybe I changed the point of the message, but that's some of the stances and outcomes I can see happening.
A good friend of mine, who's not exactly the best driver in the world, will ask, "Is it safe?" if I suggest she take a train.
1. How often do you use public transportation?
2. How many cars do you own? How often do you use them? What are your parking expenses?
3. How long (time and distance) is your daily commute?
4. How far do you have to travel to reach a grocery store? (not counting bodegas)
5. Do you have any kids? Do they go to public or private school?
6. If they go to private school, what is the tuition?
7. What are your monthly housing expenses?
8. What is your income...individual and household? A general answer will be fine, there isn't a need to be overly specific.
9. How much are your taxes? Sales, wage, income, property, etc
10. Is there a public park or greenspace near your residence? How often do you use it?
11. Do you live in the city or suburbs?
12. What are the three best qualities of living where you do?
13. What are the three worst qualities of living where you do?
14. What could the government do to improve your quality of life?
Again, I'd really appreciate any answers you give me. I apologize if any of the questions seem personal in nature, but they would help me with my project. None of your responses will go on the record or be quoted in anything.
Thanks a lot,
Chris R.
1. Every weekday to get to school
2. N/A
3. About 10-15 minutes
4. 'bout 1 mile(5 minutes)
5-9. N/A
10. Yes, never. Used to use it when I played baseball there and when the carnival used to go there
11. burbs
12. closeness to the city, fast rail service to NYC, the number of different races and ethnic groups
13. Too many narrow-minded people, not enough public transportation, traffic
14. improve public transportation
1. N23 every weekday to school, every thursday from school(after school club), and whenever I go anywhere
3. School's a lil over a mile, I walk to the bus stop(5 min), wait(5 min), bus to corner near school(1-2 min), walk trail to school(5 min)...15-20 min total, still faster than walking.
2. How many cars do you own? How often do you use them? What are your parking expenses?
Not old enough.
3. How long (time and distance) is your daily commute?
One-way commute time: 1 hour, 15 minutes.
4. How far do you have to travel to reach a grocery store? (not counting bodegas)
Less than one mile.
5. Do you have any kids? Do they go to public or private school?
6. If they go to private school, what is the tuition?
7. What are your monthly housing expenses?
N/A
8. What is your income...individual and household? A general answer will be fine, there isn't a need to be overly specific.
Individual: < $5,000/year. Household: $50,000-$100,000/year
9. How much are your taxes? Sales, wage, income, property, etc
Individual: $0 (I get it all back)
10. Is there a public park or greenspace near your residence? How often do you use it?
Right near it. Never used it.
11. Do you live in the city or suburbs?
Suburbs.
12. What are the three best qualities of living where you do?
Relative quiet, low-density housing, easy access to everywhere.
13. What are the three worst qualities of living where you do?
Pollution, traffic, and living expenses.
14. What could the government do to improve your quality of life?
Stop tax-and-spending, support public transportation.
hope these answers help.
Every weekday
2 cars. About 3-5 times a week. 25¢-75¢ occassionally for meters
15 miles. 1 hour and 15 minutes
3/4 of a mile.
No
N/A
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I would rather not answer this question on a public forum
I would rather not answer this question on a public forum
Yes. Never
Within the political boundaries of the city
Looking at houses of richer people. Streets that intersect with themselves. View of Lower Manhattan Skyline.
No subway station, few things within convenient walking distance, walking is dull and monotonous.
Build a footbridge over nearby body of water.
Note about the questions I didn't answer: You may e-mail me for the answers
2. How many cars do you own? How often do you use them? What are your parking expenses?
- 1 car, $0 parking (house has private driveway).
3. How long (time and distance) is your daily commute?
- when I have to go into lower Manhattan, approx. 45 to 60 minutes.
4. How far do you have to travel to reach a grocery store? (not counting bodegas)
- 1/4 mile, but must cross 6-lane road.
9. How much are your taxes? Sales, wage, income, property, etc
- property tax $2600/year.
10. Is there a public park or greenspace near your residence? How often do you use it?
- Yes, I use it often in warmer weather.
11. Do you live in the city or suburbs?
- city.
12. What are the three best qualities of living where you do?
- quiet block, very low crime, good city services.
13. What are the three worst qualities of living where you do?
- severe traffic, overbuilding, cant think of 3rd.
14. What could the government do to improve your quality of life?
- Traffic issues hardest as we don't have street grid system here, can't build more highways but could add lanes to expressway. Overbuilding finally being addressed via downzoning.
You mean like how the HMO's have ended up spending more to fight fraud per anum than was actually committed against them in the first place?
Whoops, I just torpedoed your easy answer. Sorry 'bout that.
He may be right and he may be wrong. But I think the record shows that states that keep public assistance spending low have done it mostly by keeping benefit levels and durations low for those who qualify, and that only a small portion of the savings have come from rooting out ineligibles. Those states also tend to deny benefits to a lot of eligible people in the course of rooting out the ineligible.
None of this is meant to suggest that government doesn't have to root out waste. I'm just suggesting the payoff isn't as great as you might think. Thnk for example of a government program you know well, NYCT. I have heard many conservatives claim that it is overwhelmingly full of waste. Do you agree, or do you feel that while there is some waste, most money is spent well?
>>2. How many cars do you own? How often do you use them? What are your parking expenses?
I don't own a car.
>>3. How long (time and distance) is your daily commute?
My commute to HS is about 9-10 mins (SERIOUSLY). But now with S55s rerouted, it is about 15 mins.
>>4. How far do you have to travel to reach a grocery store? (not counting bodegas)
Around the corner (well a few corners; SI has messed up 'blocks')
>>5. Do you have any kids? Do they go to public or private school?
Not yet.
>>6. If they go to private school, what is the tuition?
I don't have kids, but I know that St. Joseph by the Sea HS NEAR my house is $400 a month. I DO NOT GO HERE though, I go to Tottenville HS.
>>7. What are your monthly housing expenses?
I don't pay for a house, my father does.
>>8. What is your income...individual and household? A general
answer will be fine, there isn't a need to be overly specific.
I work for my uncle in Dongan Hills making dentures (dental lab) and I earn $50 a week.
>>9. How much are your taxes? Sales, wage, income, property, etc
I don't pay taxes, except for the extra 8.25 or whatever cents per $ sales tax on my purchases.
>>10. Is there a public park or greenspace near your residence? How often do you use it?
Annadale Park. Also, Fresh Kills isn't far and may become a park soon.
>>11. Do you live in the city or suburbs?
I live in Staten Island. City? Suburbs? YOU GOT ME!
>>12. What are the three best qualities of living where you do?
Easy transportation, very low crime and nice schools.
>>13. What are the three worst qualities of living where you do? I live not far from the dump, but that doesn't matter anymore, TRAFFIC and a usually SLOW ASS commute (da ferry iz SLOW-AS-HELL)
>>14. What could the government do to improve your quality of life?
Light rail, cell phone antennas (especially in my schools courtyard), more bus routes, make all SI local busses $1.00, R160s on SIR and CLEANING UP THE BEACHES.
There you go.
Every weekday, some weekends.
2. How many cars do you own? How often do you use them? What are your parking expenses?
One. Most weekends. Park on the street, no expense in cash. But if I had to pay a $25 fee for a permit, maybe the people across the street wouldn't have six cars, and I wouldn't have to take a bus home from my car sometimes..
3. How long (time and distance) is your daily commute?
Five miles as the crow flies, 30 to 45 minutes depending on timing and whether or not I go out of my way to walk a mile for exercise.
4. How far do you have to travel to reach a grocery store? (not counting bodegas)
Half a block down, one block over to a 15,000 square foot supermarket.
5. Do you have any kids? Do they go to public or private school?
Two kids. Catholic school.
6. If they go to private school, what is the tuition?
About $3,500 per year each, all in.
7. What are your monthly housing expenses?
Depends on what you mean. The mortgate is paid off, we averaged $300 per month for electric, gas, water, phone, long distance, and internet in 2003. Property taxes are just $2,500 per year, because NYC has a local personal income tax instead.
8. What is your income...individual and household? A general answer will be fine, there isn't a need to be overly specific.
Household income over $100,000. I earn less than the average college graduate my age in the United States, according to current population survey data. But my wife earns more.
9. How much are your taxes? Sales, wage, income, property, etc
Around $67,000 in income taxes. Sales, who knows? Property is above.
10. Is there a public park or greenspace near your residence? How often do you use it?
A 300 acre park, which we go to a few times a month in the winter, a few times a week in the summer.
11. Do you live in the city or suburbs?
City.
12. What are the three best qualities of living where you do?
Walk or take transit to things, friends and neighbors close by, Manhattan and its economy within a reasonable commute.
13. What are the three worst qualities of living where you do?
Underfunded and (previously) poorly run public schools, high housing costs, expensive rental cars (otherwise we wouldn't have bought one).
14. What could the government do to improve your quality of life?
Public school vouchers and/or fair school funding would have helped. Stop Al Qaeda from bombing my train or dropping planes on the neighborhood where I work. For other people, turn around the City of Philadelphia, because based on what people are willing to pay for my rowhouse these days, the demand for a decent urban life exceeds the supply, and Philly is one way to meet the demand.
As for the City of Philadelphia...we're working on it. It's hard with a deteriorated tax base and virtually no help from Harrisburg or Washington. Once your kids are grown, seriously consider moving down here. Lots of up-and-coming areas with very good incentives and you'll get more bang for your buck than in New York.
Your response was appreciated.
Then, of course, you are in favor of repealing Medicare, which IS a voucher program. Make the elderly go to the hospital and doctor they are zoned for, not the one they want, and have the government pay in advance regardless of care. Have the amount paid to health care providers in older cities like New York and Philadelphia be substantially lower than in the surrounding suburbs. But for politically influential elderly within older cities, create special "magnet" hospitals for "gifted" patients. Why "take money away from public hospitals and give them to magnet hospitals?"
You are also in favor of government funded college loans and grants, and tax deductions being limited to the public college or university closest to one's place or residence. Not taking money from public colleges and giving it to places like U Penn. The same rules for different funding for different people would apply.
Think outside the box, and think consistently. Is giving people a voucher a good way to provide services society has deemed that everyone should have, or isn't it? Unless you agree with what I have said above, you are in favor of different rules for different people. People with power get choices, so they can protect themselves, people without power do not.
See www.ipny.org, essays, "Equal Protection."
Also, vouchers only cover a fraction of tuition, so it's up to the parents to cough up the rest of the money. Vouchers thus discriminate based on income.
Also, there isn't an ounce of factual proof that any existing voucher programs have substantially improved education...and neither have charter schools or privatized schools.
In Pennsylvania, anyway, the state constitution reads that a public education will be provided for everyone. Doesn't say anything about government money going to a private education.
Then someone would propose giving vouchers to people so they could shop at the private markets, and people would claim that it diverts money from the public markets and would sue to prevent people from spending their vouchers at Kosher or Halal markets.
Some states would form charter markets run by private institutions but receiving private funds, but that would often have restrictive membership requirements.
Now if we only funded schools with a more equitable tax, such as state income tax distributed to districts rather than local property taxes, then the city schools wouldn't be mediocre while the suburban schools are "better stocked". As long as schools receive their primary funding based on the value of the land, poorer people will always have a crappier education than wealthier people. It's not as hard to fix it as many assume it is...just requires some reworking of the budget and committing mass political suicide in the suburbs and wealthier areas.
Public schools should be abolished. Those that cannot afford schooling would get subsidies from the government.
1) Almost the whole week, except Sundays. Weekdays: Buses (to get to school) Weekends: Buses and Trains (railfanning for leisure)
2)a. My dad owns a Lexus ES300, my mom's boyfriend owns a Volkswagen Passat Wagon (my personal favorite car in the whole world).
b. Both use their cars pretty much all the time.
c. I don't know, but if you're talking about separate meter fares, 25 cents to $2 an hour.
3) I only have to go to school, so on the weekdays, 5-20 minutes.
4) A few blocks.
5) I would be my parents' first kid, I go to public school.
6) Cannot be answered.
7) Around the $2,000s, I think. I could be wrong--only my parents know for sure.
8) Don't know.
9) Don't know.
10) The Henry Hudson Park, right next to my building. I use it occasionally, to play roller hockey or whatever.
11) The West Bronx (Spuyten Duyvil), so that would be the suburbs.
12) The roads are free of potholes and nearly free of stress cracks. The buses come pretty quickly. The area is VERY safe.
13) I hate the (1) and the (9) trains (not because of service, but because of blandbird R62A cars). To be perfectly honest with you, I don't know of any cons around here.
14) Don't know.
I hope I did the best I could--for a naive 11-year-old (LOL). :)
-Ben Diamond (a.k.a. 4traintowoodlawn)
Stop being such an Uncle Tom. You're age alone doesn't devalue you.
Notice how quick the old guys start throwing the " Punk Teen" around, whenever something happens.
Of course, then there's RonIsBS, a person for whom I would cross the street in order to avoid saving his life.
-Ben Diamond (a.k.a. 4traintowoodlawn)
-Ben Diamond (a.k.a. 4traintowoodlawn)
About 3x a week.
2. How many cars do you own? How often do you use them? What are your parking expenses?
None currently, but I used to own one. Drove a couple times a week, until being sideswiped by a truck in NJ. Parking expenses minimal - parked on the street, so occasionally a ticket or meter fees. Maybe $300/year on average.
3. How long (time and distance) is your daily commute?
10 minutes, walk a couple blocks.... yeah baby :)
4. How far do you have to travel to reach a grocery store? (not counting bodegas)
Got one about a block away. Small supermarket, but open 24/7.
5. Do you have any kids? Do they go to public or private school?
None that I know of :)
6. If they go to private school, what is the tuition?
N/A
7. What are your monthly housing expenses?
My share of the rent: $750 (have 2 roommates)
8. What is your income...individual and household? A general answer will be fine, there isn't a need to be overly specific.
$25-30k
9. How much are your taxes? Sales, wage, income, property, etc
Gotta mail them things in... thanks for the reminder. Frankly, I don't want to know, just hold my nose and write the check :)
10. Is there a public park or greenspace near your residence? How often do you use it?
A park across the street, but I wouldn't be caught dead there at night (or maybe I would if I ever did...) Central park and RIverside park are both about 1/2 mile away. Never go there, though. If I want to get away from the city, I get away from the city.
11. Do you live in the city or suburbs?
Uptown manhattan.
12. What are the three best qualities of living where you do?
Availability of stores/restaurants/etc. particularly late at night
Short commute to work
Availability of decently paying jobs (though the cost of living is proportionately higher).
13. What are the three worst qualities of living where you do?
High cost of living
Lack of privacy (roommates, other people in the apartment building - good luck having an all-night party or anything like that).
Petty crime - theft, etc.
14. What could the government do to improve your quality of life?
Numero uno, butt out of people's personal decisions and how they choose to live their life. Respecting the rights guaranteed by the 1st, 2nd, and 4th and 6th amendments (among others, those are the first that come to mind).
Every workday - LIRR to Penn Station, then 1/9 subway to Houston Street.
2. How many cars do you own? How often do you use them? What are your parking expenses?
Two cars, plus a third that's not currently registered. They're used almost every day. My wife pays about $15/month for parking at her workplace, I hardly ever pay for parking.
3. How long (time and distance) is your daily commute?
About 60 miles/2 hours each way.
4. How far do you have to travel to reach a grocery store? (not counting bodegas)
Around a mile.
5. Do you have any kids? Do they go to public or private school?
Two. One in public high school, one at SUNY.
6. If they go to private school, what is the tuition?
SUNY's about $8,000 per year, much cheaper than a private college, but offset by the fact that SUNY doesn't offer financial aid.
7. What are your monthly housing expenses?
Typical for the suburban middle class, let's leave it at that.
8. What is your income...individual and household? A general answer will be fine, there isn't a need to be overly specific.
Same as question 7.
9. How much are your taxes? Sales, wage, income, property, etc
Same as questions 7 and 8.
10. Is there a public park or greenspace near your residence? How often do you use it?
There's a small park about a five-minute walk away, haven't been there in years. We occasionally use the walking trails at a town park about five miles away.
11. Do you live in the city or suburbs?
Suburbs, almost exurbs.
12. What are the three best qualities of living where you do?
Just about everything you want is a reasonable drive away.
Availability of LIRR service (though with limited service from my town).
Nice break from the hustle and bustle of the city, when I'm home it feels very different.
13. What are the three worst qualities of living where you do?
Little within walking distance.
Exhorbitant property taxes.
Nation's highest electric rates.
14. What could the government do to improve your quality of life?
Downsize, and slash taxes!
-Chris
-Ben Diamond (a.k.a. 4traintowoodlawn)
Here it is.
People who generally have something useful to say, but often deliver it in a nasty or condescending tone, are a bigger problem. Do I read their stuff, or not?
Thank you. You said exactly what I've been thinking, but expressed it much better than I could have.
-Chris
-Ben Diamond (a.k.a. 4traintowoodlawn)
-Ben Diamond (a.k.a. 4traintowoodlawn)
-Ben Diamond (a.k.a. 4traintowoodlawn)
Are you kiddin', man? SubTalk is overwhelmingly a railfan population. Now, I've nothing against railfans (being one myself), but you would have a tough time persuading anybody that this is a "diverse sampling."
I don't know the level of the course you're taking, but if it's anything above entry-level, I'd expect you to lose points for the utter lack of representative sample, if SubTalk is the only population you're polling.
The self-selectedness of the sample is problematic too.
Among other things, SubTalk is your proverbial sausage party :)
Whenever I go to Manhattan, downtown Brooklyn, or certain parts of Queens. So about three or four times a month.
2. How many cars do you own? How often do you use them? What are your parking expenses?
There are two cars in my household (one Saturn SL1 and one Lincoln Town Car), and both are used everyday. We don't pay for parking.
3. How long (time and distance) is your daily commute?
My commute to Garden City is about 15 minutes to school and 30-40 minutes during rush hour.
4. How far do you have to travel to reach a grocery store? (not counting bodegas)
It depends on which supermarket. It's a two block walk to a grocery store, but we prefer to use the supermarkets about 1-2 miles away in Nassau County or in Laurelton.
5. Do you have any kids? Do they go to public or private school?
I still qualify as a child (under 21, living with my parents). My brothers and I went to Catholic school from K-12.
6. If they go to private school, what is the tuition?
My mom started paying Catholic School tuition in the 1970s for about $32/month. Now it's $5250 per year for my brother's Catholic HS.
7. What are your monthly housing expenses?
Too much... :-)
8. What is your income...individual and household? A general answer will be fine, there isn't a need to be overly specific.
I don't work anymore, so I don't have any income anymore.
9. How much are your taxes? Sales, wage, income, property, etc
I dunno, the last time I paid taxes, NYS took $23, and I didn't care.
10. Is there a public park or greenspace near your residence? How often do you use it?
There's a playground one block away from me that I haven't used for several years. Valley Stream state park is 10 minutes away from me, but we haven't been there in years. OTOH, we go to Jones Beach every summer.
11. Do you live in the city or suburbs?
What does Cambria Heights qualify as? We have cape cods, a few ranches, tudors, colonials and no real apartment buildings, but we're in Queens and the houses are little smaller and more dense than their Nassau County counterparts. So I'll say dense suburbs...
12. What are the three best qualities of living where you do?
Cambria Heights is quiet, reletively crime-free, and has decent transportation access (near three highwways, three bus lines to Jamaica Centre and one to Flushing, and JFK Airport).
13. What are the three worst qualities of living where you do?
So-so public schools, poor LIRR service (I want 1/2 hour off-peak service), and no community/cultural activities.
14. What could the government do to improve your quality of life?
Fix up the public schools, boost LIRR service in Eastern Queens (I'd prefer faster service to Manhattan), and more funding for college tuition.
2. How many cars do you own? How often do you use them? What are your parking expenses?
Two cars - $60 per month to park at ferry (LIC - 34th street Ferry)
3. How long (time and distance) is your daily commute?
5 miles - 45 min to an hour
4. How far do you have to travel to reach a grocery store? (not counting bodegas)
1/4 mile for supermarket / 1 block for grocery store
5. Do you have any kids? Do they go to public or private school?
no / N/A
6. If they go to private school, what is the tuition?
N/A
7. What are your monthly housing expenses?
Decline to answer
8. What is your income...individual and household? A general answer will be fine, there isn't a need to be overly specific.
Decline to answer
9. How much are your taxes? Sales, wage, income, property, etc
Decline to answer
10. Is there a public park or greenspace near your residence? How often do you use it?
Yes / rarely
11. Do you live in the city or suburbs?
city
12. What are the three best qualities of living where you do?
museums, theater, shopping
13. What are the three worst qualities of living where you do?
nosey neighbors, terrorist fears, commute to work
14. What could the government do to improve your quality of life?
repeal seat belt laws, repeal the property tax increase, lower gas prices
2. How many cars do you own? How often do you use them? What are your parking expenses? None
3. How long (time and distance) is your daily commute? About 45 Minutes(School Bus from Kew Gardens to New Rochelle)
4. How far do you have to travel to reach a grocery store? (not counting bodegas) 5 Blocks to C Town on Lefferts Blvd and 6-7 Blocks to Key Food on Queens Blvd
5. Do you have any kids? Do they go to public or private school? I am a Teenager and I go to a Private School call the Hallen School in New Rochelle.
6. If they go to private school, what is the tuition? NYC Board Of Ed pays for it
7. What are your monthly housing expenses? My parents pay that.
8. What is your income...individual and household? A general answer will be fine, there isn't a need to be overly specific. Less then $10,000.00 a year for right now.
9. How much are your taxes? Sales, wage, income, property, etc I have no clue.
10. Is there a public park or greenspace near your residence? How often do you use it? Yas and sometime
11. Do you live in the city or suburbs? CITY ALL THE WAY BABY!
12. What are the three best qualities of living where you do? Having Transit, No need for a car,and I LOVE NYC BABY!
13. What are the three worst qualities of living where you do? Can't complain about NYC
14. What could the government do to improve your quality of life? Give us people more jobs
About every day
2. How many cars do you own? How often do you use them? What are your parking expenses?
I dont own cars. Public transportation all the way
3. How long (time and distance) is your daily commute?
Home-School: 30 Minutes
School-Job: 45 minutes
Job-Home: 45 minutes
4-9 doesnt aply to me
10. Is there a public park or greenspace near your residence? How often do you use it?
Theres about 3 in the area, and I use none.
11. Do you live in the city or suburbs?
City
12. What are the three best qualities of living where you do?
Hospital near by
Good schools
Penn station in walking distance (granted I live on the east side)
13. What are the three worst qualities of living where you do?
Bad people around my hood
Too many teenagers
SoSo transportation
14. What could the government do to improve your quality of life?
Build a SAS
Your pal,
Fred
One reason why I supported the Iraq war (actually, THE one reason) is that the US can now put bases in Iraq and wouldn't need to have any in Shitty Arabia, the world's prime sponsor of terror. Now if we need to, we can attack the REAL Axis of Evil fairly easily.
No Mike, even Romans had plumbing.
Which is what I was referring to, the Islamic world. What's your point.
"DEFINATELY"Definitely not part of the civilized world.
Peace,
ANDEE
Even rich places like the United States can give birth to terrorists (McVeigh, et. al). I'd like to see a suicide bomber come from Kansas City who used to live in Bayside.
Bravo!
We tend to sometimes think of people with turpins as potential terrorists. The ones with the turpins are safe. Terrorists try to blend in to society so that they can plan their dirty work. They don't want to stand out and have people possibly discover what they are planning.
Saudi Arabia is quite complex. Here is my take. In theory, the crown is in control of the country. The royal family likes our money and tries to look like our friend so we buy their oil. The real power though is in the hands of the religious mullahs and they want the clock turned back a thousand or so years. The mullahs are the one pushing the extremely conservative teachings. They are the ones who are causing many segments of the population to take our oil money and give it to Osama, Hammas and other groups with similar intentions.
Matthew Mummert
Matthew Mummert
Iran, and the fundamentalists in Iraq, are of a different variety.
Wahhabism does require any reason other than not being a Wahhabist for jihad.
It remained a minor sect until the repressive policies of the House of Saud and only achieved promise thirty years ago. The reason Osama (who is an adherant of Wahhabism) was able to build it into a threat is that the bin Laudin wealth (via the House of Saud) provided the massive amounts of money that made Al Queda a threat.
Some terrorist experts believe that capturing or killing bin Laudin might reduce Al Queda to a regional threat only or might dismember it entirely.
A *TRUE* patriot would NEVER withstand erosions of OUR freedoms for the benefit of those who would harm us. What we're doing (and what you speak of) is PRECISELY what the terrorists *WANTED* ... to speak in FAVOR of "clamping down on the American people and our WAY OF LIFE" is only SERVING the terrorists and doing THEIR will instead of OURS. Was this acceptable as public policy during the "Cuban Missile Crisis" or the PINNACLE of where we almost *DID* get nuked? The "Mitchell affair?"
Once again, no offense - but if we INSIST on this silliness, then the prophetic words of Benjamin Franklin are as meaningless as Rush Limbaugh. :(
"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."
INTERCOURSE AL AQEDA *and* the "current regime" ... we're AMERICANS dammit ... aren't we BETTER than this? :(
I still see nothing wrong with a police officer asking me why I'm walking along the LIRR ROW in my town. If I'm asked why I'm taking pictures, I don't mind answering. I don't view those as abridgements to my personal freedom. I found not being able to take an R train to Brooklyn after 9/11 a major infringement, however. Lets face it, our government has not changed our way of life. It's the lunatic islamic Fundamentalists that we can thank for that.
Let's be REAL here - I know you value "real" which is the ONLY reason I'm posting ... this is ***SO*** off topic for here, but BECAUSE folks are wetting their pants over getting on a TRAIN lately, it's ever so remotely ON topic for here, thus I'll feed this kitty. :(
We're being PHUCKED with here ... I won't peddle the so-called "liberal stance" that the 2000 elections were a LITERAL COUP D'ETAT. But let's be real here - Americans did NOT blow up WTC or the Pentagon - these were "visitors" on the PRECIOUS republican H2 visas here ... the FAILURE was in IMMIGRATION CONTROL and MONITORING and NOT a failure that requires that AMERICANS be punished ... *HAD* the government DONE its job, WE wouldn't be being punished and there'd be no damned NEED for any of this.
I don't see how FURTHER sublimating the American people would correct the flaw. It'd be a LOT more "AMERICAN" to just say "you ain't a citizen, GET OUT" ... THAT would SOLVE the problem aside from PROPERLY manning and maintaining the desks at "Immigration" at the entries of way ...
Am *I* *missing* something here? :(
As to "non-citizens", no one seems to be MORE in favor of illegal immigration that the "party of Lincoln" (can't BELIEVE that Wal*Mart has to go "off the street" for labor for that miraculous $5.25 an hour that they pay) and the "give them drivers licenses" stuff nor the "Mexican truckers" thing ... but I digress. MAYBE they'll vote republican, and the CUBAN vote overrides AL Qaeda ... NO JOKE ... the REASON why AL QAEDA got into the country to BEGIN with is the republican congress' little "H2 visa" trip ... meanwhile HAITIANS get turned away. :-\
SERIOUSLY though ... all TWENTY of the terrorists were on the "do NOT admit" list ... only problem is BUDGET CUTS prevented the INS people who COULD have stopped them by having the DATA let the bastards IN because they didn't SHOW UP on the immigration computers. :(
So we HAD 20 out of 20 ... once again, why are *WE* being punished for the failures of our *****POLITICOS*****?????
Oh PLEASE, call it what it is MALL-WART 8=)
Peace,
ABDEE
That's your opinion, but I certainly wouldn't agree.
This story in Time will probably anger you. Homeland security is becoming just another pork barrel.
We can go to ultimate security where anyone who isn't where they're supposed to be can be subject to arrest or at least questioning. "Isn't where they're supposed to be" is rather broad, but that's what it will come to IMO.
Look at what's happened since 9/11
The U.S. is more a house divided than in almost any time in history.
The U.S. is engaged in 2 costly wars that could potentially bankrupt us. Fighting terrorism is war without end. Ask Israel.
We are ready to tank the Constitution for perceived security and lock ourselves in some safe haven, rather than live our lives as a free society.
If this is what Al Qaida planned with their attack (other than the Iraq war) then they acted with sheer genius. If not, they've been handed the luckiest tactical hand of cards in recent history.
So what can we do?
A. Stop underestimating the enemy. They are clever, move quickly and are decentralized enough so that there is no 'dragon's head' to cut off and defeat them. Stop thinking that they are simply envious of us or that they simply want to kill anyone non-Islamic.
B. Make public any and all information regarding who was asleep at that switch before 9/11. This is clearly not going to be easy and heads will roll, but it will have a cleansing effect on our intelligence agencies. Or not, if this was indeed a classic case of corruption.
C. Lose, once and for all, this concept of 'the enemy of my enemy is my friend'. That's a foolish and weak strategy and ensures later betrayal and tactical problems in the future. Osama bin Laden, Saddam Hussein, Manuel Noriega...
D. Saudi Arabia is not our ally. Nuff said.
E. Patch up as quickly as possible the diplomatic damage done to our alliances before the Iraq war. The clumsy and arguably childish tactics the U.S. engaged in to bring war to Iraq have done considerably more harm than good and gave terrorism another victory. All countries need to be united against terrorism and we need to restore credibility to our foreign policy. ('Freedom Fries' - give_me_a_friggin_break).
F. Military options work best when performed in tandem with adroit diplomacy. If you don't believe this, then ask yourself how far you are willing to go militarily to end terrorism? Do you feel that it may require more intense warfare, perhaps a Final Solution?
G. Make a concerted effort to resolve the Israeli-Palestinian war. This is a US led UN project; we've been unsuccesful going solo on this and it seems to me that it's not treated as very important to anyone in office right now.
I. Take away this six pack of IPA; I gotta get off this soapbox!
Your pal,
Fred
Your pal,
Fred
While I despise Sharon for FANNING the flames of terrorism, there's ONE thing I AGREE with ... IF you're going to make war, we'll SHOW you that not only isn't it worth it, but the PRICE of it is TOO damned high. This is the ONLY reason why we survived the "cold war" ... and it's DAMNED well good time to say "you can live with us in peace and cooperation, otherwise we'll take you out. COMPLETELY."
The ONLY solution to terrorists is a GUARANTEE that they can be outdone. During the "cold war" the CONSEQUENCES were *SO* extreme that nobody DARED to be stupid ... now these bastards have CARTE BLANCHE. Call me a "liberal" if you will, but the ONLY solution is OVERWHELMING "Oh yeah?" ... and OUR leaders have no balls. They'd rather do the WILL of the terrorists by taking *US* out than doing the REAL enemy and PROPERLY funding the necessity. WHERE IT MATTERS. :(
Okay, I'm easy. Nuke em.
The lunatics in power make the TALIBAN look reasonable. :(
I guess the policy should be changed to read Any state that harbors or gives support to a terrorist that strikes the US or a US interest will pay the ultimate price as long as doing so will not cause any hardship to the American people or as long as the country in question cannot put up any real resistance, ala Afghanistan & Iraq!
Afghanistan as a target was a correct choice. Not because of its ability to resist but its direct link to the 9/11 terrorists. Would Saudi Arabia have made a better second target than iraq did? Perhaps yes but look at the fallout. Going after Saddam gave Khadafi pause and he changed his position. He saw the insanity of being an enemy of this nation. However, if we flattened Saudi arabia, presumably an allie of ours, than how would Khadafi have felt more secure in moving in our direction. Might he have thought that even as an 'allie', he might too be attacked? Besides, one more major attack on US soil and I think Saudi Arabia will taste out ire, too.
Your pal,
Fred
Afghanistan, as a target, was a correct choice. Not because of its ability to resist but its direct link to the 9/11 terrorists. Would Saudi Arabia have made a better second target than iraq did? Perhaps yes but look at the fallout. Going after Saddam gave Khadafi pause and he changed his position. He saw the insanity of being an enemy of this nation. However, if we flattened Saudi arabia, presumably an allie of ours, than how would Khadafi have felt more secure in moving in our direction. Might he have thought that even as an 'allie', he might too be attacked? Besides, one more major attack on US soil and I think Saudi Arabia will taste out ire, too.
Afghanistan as a target was a correct choice. Not because of its ability to resist but its direct link to the 9/11 terrorists. Would Saudi Arabia have made a better second target than iraq did? Perhaps yes but look at the fallout. Going after Saddam gave Khadafi pause and he changed his position. He saw the insanity of being an enemy of this nation. However, if we flattened Saudi arabia, presumably an allie of ours, than how would Khadafi have felt more secure in moving in our direction. Might he have thought that even as an 'allie', he might too be attacked? Besides, one more major attack on US soil and I think Saudi Arabia will taste out ire, too.
Afghanistan, as a target, was a correct choice. Not because of its ability to resist but its direct link to the 9/11 terrorists. Would Saudi Arabia have made a better second target than iraq did? Perhaps yes but look at the fallout. Going after Saddam gave Khadafi pause and he changed his position. He saw the insanity of being an enemy of this nation. However, if we flattened Saudi arabia, presumably an allie of ours, than how would Khadafi have felt more secure in moving in our direction. Might he have thought that even as an 'allie', he might too be attacked? Besides, one more major attack on US soil and I think Saudi Arabia will taste out ire, too.
I think both Russia, China and France have enough nuclear weapons to make attacking them not in our best interest.
Moreover, look how we have been treating that total scumbag in North Korea with the kit gloves because if we make the slightest move against him he'll destroy both Soeul and Tokyo. Despite that Kim whatever his name being about 100 times the threat of Saddam, we feel we can negioate with him. The facts speak for themselves, this administration only enters fights it can win in a politically positve way.
Also, Iraq did not have any cohereant policy of terror support. Al Queda's fundamentalist stance was a grave threat to Saddam's secular regime. In fact, the best thing we could have done to suppress terrorism in Iraq was to keep Saddam in power.
All this so called "policy" has done is expose the regime in Washington for the double dealing hypocrites they are.
If you are an honest debater you will provide us with a legitimate source for that statement.
What is with you and this arguement here. Were not you railing on about your tax burden like 5 threads ago? Why do you want to cut social services for your fellow Americans, yet liberally dole them out to people who hate our fucking guts??
You know it's musheads like yourself that has allowed the Bush regime to subjugate this country. First they hook you in with the Republican greed and it's promices to screw all of "those people" who are making your life so darned miserable. Next, then they themselves become the ones giving it to you up the ass they distract you with patriotic paranoia. You need to open your eyes man, turn off the AM radio and open a book or something.
Yes, I want my taxes cut. I want to eliminate government waste in welfare, medicare and SSI fraud. Do you think this is a wrong-minded goal? The problem with you is that you only see what you want to see and believe what you want to believe. I don't believe in saving the iraqis. I've said many times that that it would not bother me if we took that entire region of the world and melted it and then paved it over. I don't want another one of my tax dollars to go to save anyone in that region. The current administration is wrong to confuse regiem change with some obscure moral obligation to save the iraquis. A pox on all of them. Saddam's gone, let's move on.
My point is why search the couch for spare change when your stack of 20's is blowing out the window. Shut the window first then spend your time picking up the change. In fact, compared to the stack of 20's you just saved the change might not even be worth your while anymore.
Every argument you pose must be an all or nothing proposition.
Why don't you be more specific? I don't feel I have done any such thing.
Yes, I want my taxes cut. I want to eliminate government waste in welfare, medicare and SSI fraud. Do you think this is a wrong-minded goal?
At this point in time, yes I do. You are re-arranging the deck chairs on a sinking ship and you should refactor your priorities. Moreover I think you have horribly simplified the problem at hand. "Eliminate Fraud" is a trojan term that trickes people into supporting an issue before they get socked with the details. How much fraud do you think there actually is? How much will it cost to fight this fraud? How many legitimate users of a service are you willing to screw to eliminate this fraud? Your Republican rethoretic in no way answers these hard questions.
I don't want another one of my tax dollars to go to save anyone in that region. The current administration is wrong to confuse regiem change with some obscure moral obligation to save the iraquis. A pox on all of them. Saddam's gone, let's move on.
It seems that you need another history lesson. Will you agree that we should be fighting terrorism? As was evident from Afghanistan, Sudan and Somolia, ignoreing the problems does not cause them to go away, in fact it makes them much worse. When we left the Afghans in a lurch after the fall of communism the Taliban came to power. When we failed to support the Shah the Allatolah came to power. Saddam was not a terrorist threat to this country. He cared more about himself than he did getting back at us. He knew if he ever tried anything that we would invade in a nannoseccond. Terrorists were a threat to his regime therefore keeping him in power helped safeguard the US against Iraqi based terrorists. However, since we made the decision to remove him, simply leaving Iraq in a lurch will only create another Afghanistan. A theocratic terrorist haven. Frankly, I don't think we can prevent such a thing from happening even with our assistance, but that is neither here nor there. Fighting terror (or communism) is not a simple matter of killing a few people or dropping some bombs. It takes effort and resources directed in a careful and intelligent fashion. And keep in mind that starving people who have embraced religious fervor have little fear of bombs or missiles.
What I want you to do is to hold this administration responsible for it's ineptitude, get mad and refuse to take it any more.
I don't need to hold this administration responsible for anything. If you do, then you get your chance in November. Just remember that it was the Clinton administration that missed the free shots at bin Laden after he had declared war on the US. He was too busy having the presidential knob polished and with most of the blood not reaching his head, he was unable to think straight. Now if you want to vote for Kerry, do so. He's easier to agree with since he's on both sides of every issue.
Finally if you think that eliminating fraud in any gov't program is wrong then shame on you.
You must live in a very unusual jurisdiction if the greatest portion of your property taxes doesn't go for the local school system.
And when you retire, would you really honestly prefer to have lower taxes and pay all your own medical bills, no matter how high or low, yourself? If you are lucky you'll save a bundle; if you're unlucky you'll have to sell your home to pay your medical bills.
Medicare is really much more of an insurance program (the lucky healthy folks subsidize the unlucky unhealthy ones) than an entitlement program.
When I talk about medicare amd medicade, I'm not talking about the ones who need it. i'm talking about those who frequent mills to get free prescriptions that they turn around and sell. I'm talking about other scams that people like me pay for. Anyone who doesn't think there are welfare scams, medicare scams and SSI scams either has their head in the sand or between their butt cheeks.
There are welfare scams. There are also scams in user-fee-supported public agencies like NYCT and the MTA. There are also scams in private companies - a big company like Verizon or Con Ed is always finding someone's hand in the till.
A reasonable amount of diligence is always critical, or else the scammers run wild. But if you think that reducing fraud in any of the above can significantly cut your taxes, user fees, or utility bills, I think you are very mistaken.
We're ready to scrap what makes this country great due to extreme national paranoia.
It's because America was too used to winning its wars. Until 2001, every war in which this ocuntry had fought ended as an American victory. True, the outcome of Vietnam was questionable, but we can take solace in the fact that we inflicted far more deaths on the enemy than we suffered in return. But then comes 9/11, one of the most crushing defeats in world history, and the nation goes psycho. We strike out blindly at our own people, rapidly becoming a police state in the process, yet do nothing to the real enemy except a pathetically feeble "attack" on Afghanistan.
The most efficient place to erect security barriers is at the border. Moreover, we need to activly go after the real causes of terrorism like Shitty Arabia and religious fundamentalism in ALL it's forms. If I had the choice b/t building a wall and giving the desperate populations a reason not to go blow themselves up I'd pick the latter.
Palestinians employed in ISRAEL *HAD* a chance for a brighter future, and economic independence and PROSPERITY. INSTEAD, the morons LITERALLY blew all that up. :(
*ZERO* sympathy for them ... they *HAD* a chance, they LITERALLY BLEW it. *IF* "Islam" wants to live in the era of the "crusades" (a moral BLOWOUT for us "Christians" as a BAD example of "imperialism") then if THIS is the way the religion plans to manifest itself to the rest fo the world (I've READ the Quran) then those INFIDELS who blaspheme Mohammed by these acts DESERVE to be melted into glass, exterminated like cockroaches. :(
I *KNOW* Islam ... the NONSENSE ongoing is anything *BUT* the faith. If THESE are the "martyrs" like Catholics before the lions, then they DESERVE to have their "Stomachs roasted in hell." :(
"Trying to secure the rail, bus, ferry, w/e else systems is a pointless waste of money. It can't be done."
It depends on the price, in terms of money, time, and loss of freedom.
I think some proposals for increasing safety are worth the price, and others are not. Other people's opinions disagree with mine. As long as we can have a national debate on which price is worth paying and which is not, we'll be OK. Unfortuntely, a few people, some with considerable influence, aren't open to a debate on the topic.
The rest of my post is not "silly", it directly addresses your point. Totally securing the subway, which is not possible anyway, will only prevent deaths in subway related attacks, it will not generally prevent deaths due to terrorism.
While there is a level of security that does make sense, trying to make a transit system proof against the likes of suicide bombers is a fools errand. Nobody spends more on security than Isreal and look how they have been able to prevent bus bombings.
So after everyone is driven from the subway due to the 20 minutes background interview and bag search what exactly would you be saving? The lives of people now blown up on buses or the subway infrastructure that is now sitting there unutilized?
I think the ultimate solution is for us to take the war to them and make the consequences of their actions so horrific that no nation will think of giving terrorists a safe haven.
Have you ever considered what would happen if a nation's "terrorist" stance reflected the popular will of it's people, possibly due to the policies and actions of the United States? Hmmm, I think a case study is in order. Did dropping more bombs on North Vietnam than were dropped on Germany in WW2 cause the North Vietnamise to abandon their terrorist insurgency of the south?
What do you think it is about this country that the Islamc Fundamentalist lunatic fringe don't like? Our movies and other images of our culture that find their way into their lands and 'corrupt' their culture. They will tollerate nothing but stict Islamic fundimentalism.
As for your subway scenerio, I'm not suggesting El Al style security for the subways because it would be impracticla at best but does that mean that you don't employ technology that will work? Does it mean that if you can't protect against every eventuality you protect against none?
I've deliberately ignored your injection of North Korea into the argument because korea is a smoke screen. Korea has not yet become a terrorist threat to this nation. The issues are different. The mind-set is different and the solution must also be different.
Let me give you an analogy. Suppose you have a rural courthouse. You'd like to keep weapons out of the courthouse, but have no metal detectors, one at each of the two entrances to the courthouse.
The county says they can only afford one metal detector, but both entrances MUST be kept open for both entry and exit (fire codes or whatever).
You reason, Well, having a metal detector at one entrance is better than having none at all, since this way at least you screen half the people coming in.
Does this work?
True, you might catch a couple retards who carry a piece through the detector and get caught, and the few people who look particularly suspicious might be taken aside and made to walk through the magnetometer, but the simple fact is anyone with an IQ greater than their age who wants to carry a weapon in will simply use the entrance that has no metal detector, and be as inconspicuous as possible while doing it. Simply put, twice the number of weapons will pass through the unsecured entrance, leading to the net same number of weapons smuggled into the courthouse.
To come back to the real situation: Suppose you screen all passengers and packages boarding every Amtrak train. Then they'll just go after the unsecured LIRR and NJT trains at Penn Station. And last I checked, rush hour commuter rail trains generally are much more densely packed than any Amtrak train ever is, so they're better targets in general for Osama's maximum death and devastation MO.
And suppose you bite the bullet and screen all passengers entering commuter rail trains at Penn Station. Who's to stop someone from getting on at one of these little bus stop suburban stations, most of which are at or near street level with little isolation from the surrounding area, so anybody with half a brain could sneak by the security checkpoint (if you can even afford to put a checkpoint at each of the hundred or more commuter rail stations in the metro area.) And even if you did that, what about someone getting on the Lex at some dinky station in the Bronx, riding it down to GCT and blowing up his backpack then?
All you do by adding security (screening passengers, etc.) is cause the terrorists to ply their wares elsewhere - it doesn't cut down the total number of incidents at all, except in the rare case that you get lucky when dealing with a retard (i.e. the shoe bomber, moussaoui and the chicago dirty bomber, all of whom seem to be a few cans short of a sixpack...)
The real way to stop them is to stop these attacks in the planning stage, and this depends on intelligence and surveillance.
The only way to stop them altogether is to convince the potential terrorists that the risks are too great and the benefits too small for them to try anything. Osama managed, through 9/11, to get himself on the sh*t list of every country in the world, sparked two major US-led wars, and singularly shifted the focus of the world's foreign policy. Bush abandoned his "hands-off" Mideast policy altogether in favor of a strongly pro-Israel, pro-democratization foreign policy, exactly what Osama doesn't want. That, I believe, is why al-Qaeda has not repeated 9/11, at least in the US, because they know a repeat of 9/11 will cause them to reap the whirlwind - possibly next time we'll nuke their asses, particularly if they resort to biochem weapons. Other countries haven't fared so well - the Bali bombing, the Madrid bombing, the Saudi bombing, etc.
Another way to look at the problem:
If a terrorist gets into the country and gets his hands on explosives, he can kill a dozen or two people. The situations in Israel, Iraq, and Spain prove that.
Therefore the main efforts should concentrate on:
- Minimizing the number who get in.
- Keeping them from getting access to explosives.
- And the overarching goal should be: keep them from bringing something really major in, like a nuclear device. 90% of the anti-terrorism effort should be going to that, because only a nuclear device can do anywhere near as much damage to this country as we do to ourselves each year with automobiles.
Yeah, maybe you can keep military grade C-4 out of the hands of ordinary civilians, but how do you keep them from making ANFO? Or any of a number of hydrocarbon- or petroleum-based explosive mixes?
It seems that about the only thing that could be done is ban the sale of petroleum and hydrocarbon products, bleach, fertilizer, ammonia, saltpeter, powderized aluminum, magnesium, and a laundry list of other things to anyone named Muhammad, Ahmed, or Mustafa, or who comes into the store with a beard or a turban. I don't think anybody is going to argue that position. And it wouldn't stop a Tim McVeigh, or a WASP designee making the buy for Mohammad, Ahmed or Mustafa.
And there should be pretty strict checking up on people who want to buy a ton of anything dangerous.
I agree with you that it's not possible to prevent small scale terrorism once they get into the country. But 30 pounds of fertilizer here or there, while terrible for the victims, is chicken feed compared to what we do to ourselves with cars. That's why I think 90% of the effort ought to be aimed toward nuclear devices.
Arti
Like 1960 was like ancient times, man! How did people live back then? Did they ride dinosaurs?
Roll signs were around for nearly 50 years in 1960.
CD ... there's some rollsigns to play with and look through here:
http://www.subwayspot.com/rollsigns
In order to operate the crank which turned the roll sign, the operator would emerge from his cab, loosen a latch to swing out the advertising panel (which was hinged at the top), and reach in to change the sign.
-- Ed Sachs
This is interesting for a few reasons.
"Voters should remember why the high-speed rail initiative was placed on the 2000 ballot, where it was approved by 53 percent of the voters: For nearly a decade, the Florida Legislature ignored its own statute that mandated a highspeed-rail system. The Florida High-Speed Rail Transportation Act of 1992 was still on the books when the amendment was passed.
"The Legislature never repealed it," said C.C. "Doc" Dockery, a Lakeland businessman who served on a commission that resulted in the 1992 act. "The Legislature just didn't fund it. They hoped it would go away.""
And the other thing I hear, Gallagher is apparently ciculating the petitions in random offices like insurance companies to random people. How sleazy.
You don't get a do-over a third around. And let me also say, traffic is worse than it was in 2000 now. Even with 1.4 billion dollars in construction later to that stinky highway.
And you know what's hilarious, the new presidents highway spending bill(which includes transit).
$100,000,000,000 less than the minimum acceptable level, and now Florida will get back 76cents for every 1 we contribute. Yea, our priorities really need to vote on this a 3rd time.
David Gunn will be the guest on WTOP Radio (Washington, DC)'s Sprawl & Crawl Program on April 14 at 10 AM EDT. This will be a chance for you to submit any question you would like to ask him. You can call (it is toll free) or e-mail from wtopnews.com. If you are in the DC area, you can listen the day of the snow on any one of WTOP's three signals (1500 AM, 820 AM, or 107.7 FM) or if you are anywhere in the world, listen on wtopnews.com. They also post the show on their website to be listened to later if you can not listen at air time.
I will post another reminder closer to the date.
I will post another reminder in a few days if I remember to do so.
"When it comes to trains of any type merging in one station, Tokyo's Shinjuku is the undisputed world champion with eleven (11) lines by 6 different companies merging/crossing/overpassing/tunneling into/over/under/through one massive building, and over 2 million passengers daily. Alas, only three of the lines are subways."
And according to Japan Guide:
"Shinjuku Station handles over 4 million passengers per day, and is Japan's busiest railway station. Lines of the Japan Railways, the two subway companies and three more private railway companies pass through or start at Shinjuku Station. "
I don't know how the 2 or 4 million passengers daily are counted, but I doubt if they are turnstile counts. That would be about ten times as many as Times Square and Grand Central subway complexes combined.
Breakdown of 4 million+.
JR (4 subway like commuter lines + 1 outer surburb bound line + long distance trains)
2,620,323
Municipal Subway (2 lines)
213,646
Tokyo Metro Subway (1 line)
330,060
Odakyu (private)
511,114
Keio (private)
682,954
Seibu (private)
205,781
Thanks very much for that breakdown, Wado. Those ridership numbers are really amazing, especially for the JR.
I have been looking at the map at http://www.tokyometro.go.jp/network/pdf/map_english.pdf and I am surprised that the busiest station complex is on the edge of the inner city.
One of those busy JR lines must be the Yamanote line, which encircles the central city stopping at all big stations.
The municpial subways must be TOEI lines 10 (Shinjuku) and 12 (O-Edo), and the metro must be TRTA line 4 (Marunuchi).
I would be interested to know of any more Tokyo ridership data that may be readily available.
No surprise there... They moved Tokyo's city hall there at some point in the 90s and they planned to do so in the 80s. King's X and Victoria combined, anyone? Think of the above surface JR lines as the sub-surface+ex-BR network in London and the former TRTA lines as the deep tubes lines. The financial district has never moved though and probably never will.
The Yamanote line is as about the Circle line in London or Manhattan, size wise.
Being the world's most populated urban agglomeration, with 32 million inhabitants or so, you might expect it to have the busiest subway system, but in fact it ranks only second. In 1997 Tokyo's subway had 2.7 billion annual riders compared with Moscow's 3.2 billion. [New York's subway and elevated ridership peaked in 1947 with over 2 billion, and is currently fifth with 1.4 billion.]
More impressive is the ridership of the Tokyo commuter rail network, estimated at 10.6 billion annually. Source: The Public Purpose. That's about 29 million per average day, not far from one ride per person per day. Even more remarkably, the commuter rail lines are profitable, receiving neither capital nor operating subsidies.
Tokyo's central business district, broadly defined as the area surrounded by the Yamanote Loop line, has 4.2 million jobs, and the core CBD has 2.4 million jobs, the world's highest. The Yamanote Loop line itself is operated by the East Japan Railway Company, which is Tokyo's largest commuter rail company, and formerly a part of Japanese National Railways.
According to a paper prepared by the New York Citizens Budget Commission:
"The British Rail commuter lines serve London with multiple stops on lines parallel or connecting to the Underground; Tokyo’s JR system connects outlying areas to multiple, central city stations; Paris’ RER collects suburban passengers and makes numerous stops in the central city at points that connect to Metro lines without additional charge. These hybrid systems are a major draw for suburban commuters and help explain the relatively high occupancy of both commuter and rapid rail systems"
"Tokyo’s commuter system carries more than 20 times as many passengers as New York’s; London’s commuter system nearly five times as many, and Paris’ system more than twice as many. When the separate hybrid systems in Tokyo and Paris are added to the mix, the entire rail system in Tokyo carries about eight times as many passengers as in New York; and both London’s and Paris’ rail system handles substantially more passengers than does New York’s."
That's huge! How big is that area?
The entire Manhattan CBD, including Midtown, Midtown South, and Downtown was just 1.8 million in 1990, perhaps 2.0 million at the 2000 peak, less than half the size. Needless to say, nothing else in the U.S. and Canada is anywhere close to that.
For comparison, Manhattan Island has an area of 22.7 square miles.
It takes just over one hour to travel the entire length of the loop line.
There isn't really just one CBD but a whole string of them round the Yamanote loop.
The Core CBD is the old financial center, centered around Tokyo station, on the harbor side of the loop.
According to Business Center:
"Nearly 2.3 million commuters arrive each working day in the three central wards of Tokyo that correspond to the Central Business district and its fringes. This is the largest flow of people in the world, and what adds to the importance of the Tokyo CBD is the fact that it is a place of employment, shopping and many other activities, its geographical extent and high population density. The center of the CBD, symbolically and geographically is the Tokyo Station. The CBD sits strategically between the Marunochi office district (developed by Mitsubishi 100 years ago) and the retailing core of the city where large stores are located. The station brings in the heavy flow of commuters, with the bullet trains bringing in influx of people from other parts of the country into the capital. In proximity is the Tokyo Stock exchange and the Imperial palace. "
Shinjuku is a newer CBD, on the inland side of the loop, and Shinjuku is home to the Tokyo Metropolitan Government Office.
According to one source there are really nine Central Business Districts!
Not all of them are profitable, especially the recently opened ones. Saitama Railway is said to be losing close to 9 billion yens annualy. They've just hired a new guy to run the company but it is unlikely to make any profits anytime soon. The line is also known for its expensive fare and its useless terminus which is in the middle of nowhere with only a soccer stadium built for World Cup 2002 nearby (still 1.2km away). The line has through service to the Namboku Subway line in Tokyo. To add more insult, the Namboku line was built to serve underserved parts of central Tokyo, which means it doesn't go through most of the CBDs! Saitama Railway's birth had more to do with the relations between the local politicians and construction companies than the actual demand.
My source for that statement was "The Public Purpose", and they may have their own agenda. According to another source, the Tokyo-Teito Rapid Transit Authority (TRTA) made an operating surplus in 2000, as did the following commuter lines:
• Keihin Electric Express Railway Co., Ltd.
• Keio Electric Railway Co., Ltd.
• Keisei Electric Railway Co., Ltd.
• Odakyu Electric Railway Co., Ltd.
• Seibu Railway Co., Ltd.
• Tobu Railway Co., Ltd.
• Tokyu Corporation.
The three private-sector successors to JNR on Honshu – JR-East, JR-Central, and JR-West – also reported operating profits.
All of these companies, except maybe for Tokyu, also own lines that don't make profit by themselves.
Source: japan-guide.com.
I suppose the six-door trailer cars have less seating space, but overcrowding and dwell times should be improved.
I saw a photo of a train with bench seats that are folded up in rush hours, so everybody must stand up.
That's the six-door trailer. BTW, I need to correct my last post. It seems that some 205s are still running there. So I should have said "are being replaced". The 205s have only one six-door trailer while the newer E231-500 have two.
-Ben Diamond (a.k.a. 4traintowoodlawn)
From now on I'm going to do complex differential equations with krylon on subway tunnel walls.
-Ben Diamond (a.k.a. 4traintowoodlawn)
You should do that. Give Ben a headstart in Calculus. He can learn discs, washers and maybe even shells...
-Ben Diamond (a.k.a. 4traintowoodlawn)
-Ben Diamond (a.k.a. 4traintowoodlawn)
-Ben Diamond (a.k.a. 4traintowoodlawn)
You rarely see tagging by forty-somethings. The cops rearely catch anyone over 25 tagging a building, carving blackboard borders, writing
"charlie f***sharon" in marker on the back of a bus seat, or any destruction of property. (No counts of alcohol fueled bar wrecking have been counted as it's usually drunk and disorderly.
The Vandals, BTW, were a Germanic tribe that delighted in trashing after invading in the Dark Ages.
BTW, Ben, For a 12 year old, you write very in a very mature style. Anyone reading your posts without knowing your age would be very surprised.
Our Treasurer at the Baltimore Streetcar Musuem started as an active member when he was just 13. He's now 32.
Most of the "artists" who started New York's subway graffiti epidemic in the early 1970's must be well into their forties today. Some, in fact, must be over 50. I wonder if any of them ever have pangs of nostalgia for their younger days ... and still keep a few cans of spray paint, just in case.
If it were an R143 or an R160 --THEN-- I'd feel obliged to care.
(Not a R142/a/s fan).
Yes, but I care. The R142A is my favorite car in the system.
Well of course, we all have our opinions, brah (The "brah" thing finally kicked in). :)
-Ben Diamond (a.k.a. 4traintowoodlawn)
This is an assumption. How do you know that these people do bad in school? Do you know them?
My store is on my website, and can be viewed by clicking the photo:
Many thanks to those who ultimately decide to buy something!
-Ben Diamond (a.k.a. 4traintowoodlawn)
-Ben Diamond (a.k.a. 4traintowoodlawn)
Koi
THE 6 TRAIN IS GOING TO UTICA AVE UNTIL AT LEAST 11 PM TOMMORROW NIGHT.
Here is the PROFF.
2 additional photos are in this album regarding the Fulton/B'way Nassau passageway closure, one is a duplicate.
If only every CR was like him...
-Ben Diamond (a.k.a. 4traintowoodlawn)
F__K SCUM AL-QAEDA. I HOPE IT ROTS ITS A__ IN H__L. It should get what his BAD A__ DESERVES FOR ALL ITS BAD A__ HEARTLESS DEADLY BOMBING AND ITS CHANCE OF POTENTIALLY (according to Windsor Terrace Economist) STEALING OUR SUMMER RAILFANNING.
I feel better now that I have completely ventilated my frustrations.
Note: Steve, I was not trying to flame you at all. I was just angry even thinking about Al-Qaeda. Personally, because of the rumors that Al-Qaeda will bomb NYC Subway trains, I hope--no--I PRAY that you are one of the lucky people that stay alive, considering that you are a TA employee and your life may be in jeopardy. I also pray everyone else stays alive. But although I was not flaming you at all, I still hope Al-Qaeda rots in H__L.
-Ben Diamond (a.k.a. 4traintowoodlawn)
-Ben Diamond (a.k.a. 4traintowoodlawn)
til next time
Note: PLEASE DO NOT REPLY.
-Ben Diamond (a.k.a. 4traintowoodlawn)
Add the fact that one of the actors appears inside a car window
(with "EXIT ->" and "Transfer" signage in his background)..
This post does -NOT- mention the Olsen Twins.
This post HAS to do with Trains.
http://www.cygnals.com/zine/complete/subway.htm
http://www.uer.ca/locations/viewgal.asp?picid=14542
You can even see in this last photo what appears to be where the "Queens" sign was in the trailer!
Hope this helps!
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But the normal corridor trains often run quite Empty to boston. Still, the $99 ticket price is probably the big motovator.
http://www.nationalcorridors.org/df/df03292004.shtml#WiFi
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Compared to their normal activities of strikes and larking about :-) Just kidding, they do a good job...a goood joooob.
http://www.nationalcorridors.org/df/df03292004.shtml#Beech
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My eyes are still rolling after that TEA-21 thing.
http://www.nationalcorridors.org/df/df03292004.shtml#House
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Take that terrorists!! Tom ridge is going to have a meeting...and they are going to, um, TAKE NOTES, and there will be big huge...PowerPoint presentations and someone might make, um, Decisions!! Yeah!!
http://www.nationalcorridors.org/df/df03292004.shtml#Homeland
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If all this harglebargle and foofaraah results in me not being able to carry nail clippers onto Amtrak trains I am going to be pissed off as hell.
http://www.nationalcorridors.org/df/df03292004.shtml#Rail
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Can someone please explain why depreciation is tax deductable in the first place? I mean when you make a capital expendature that money isn't taxed...why then can corporations take the money off again? In isolated circumstances it could help organizations that are worthwhile, but overall it's just a scam that needs to be eliminated in its entirety.
http://www.nationalcorridors.org/df/df03292004.shtml#Transit
I'm not a tax expert or an accountant, but I think that the deduction, generally speaking, encourages investment.
In a perfect world, the tax revenue gained by this bill would be given to transit systems.
Your pal,
Fred
I see what you're saying, that spending $$ just to create a deduction is inefficient. For the most part it is; if I were to buy 200 widgets that I really don't need but can depreciate/deduct them for the next five years, that would be lousy business.
But if it's something I could use and make money with AND deduct, then I'm making a sound decision and the depreciation/deduction sweetens the pot.
There's another train of thought - Better to support another business than to pay tax. I've heard that one often.
I think the train leasing is just a back door way for transit systems to raise the funding they're not getting from tax revenue. Again, in a perfect world, the increased tax revenue would be delivered to transit after closing the loophole. In the real world, it won't, so this new bill is yet another anti-transit move IMO.
Your pal,
Fred
I guess if the Transit Agencies were chem plants or refineries, they would be getting more tax cuts and lesser regulations instead of trying to have the loophole closed!
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Ugh, everybody getting this lo-floor crap.
http://www.nationalcorridors.org/df/df03292004.shtml#Charlotte
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I hope this isn't a duplicate post, but I don't remember it here.
http://www.nationalcorridors.org/df/df03292004.shtml#Metra
Warning: Do not set your clocks ahead on computers, VCRs, TVs and other electronic equip, that automatically compensate for DST.
Your pal,
Fred
77 counties including the capital of Indianapolis are in the Eastern time zone but do not change to Daylight Savings time.
Ten counties in the NW and SW corners of the state use Central Standard and Daylight Saving Time
Five counties near Cincinatti and Louisville, Ky use EST & DST
That means that when driving across the southern part of Indiana, one would need to reset his watch 5 times during the trip.
You *are* aware, are you not, that it was the *RAILROADS* who invented the time zones in the first place. Before that every town had a sundial, and decided for itself what time it was.
All of a sudden, if you wanted to catch a train (or to run a railroad by timetable and Standard Time) you had to observe the time zones that the railroads established.
Now could you imagine the IRT and the BRT having their own Standard Clocks, and then Red Hylan inventing a third since he would have nothing to do with theirs~!
: ) Elias
Your pal,
Fred
1 metric hour = 2:24:00.000
1 metric minute = 0:01:26.400
1 metric second = 0:00:00.864
1 old hour = 0:41:66.667
1 old minute = 0:00:69.444
1 old second = 0:00:01.157
An academic day would no longer be 0930GMT - 1730GMT; it would become 0396 - 0729. It would be a strange world, albeit a really cool one.
Whenever you try to express 1/3, or some fraction of it as a decimal, you have recurring decimals.
The point about 24 is that you can divide it into halves, thirds, quarters, sixths and twelfths without having to use fractions (or recurring decimals).
Besides, if everybody used UTC, 4 PM would be 16:00, and midnight would be 00:00.
The US Military (on www.nasro.org) state:
"All U.S. military services and law enforcement tell time by using the numbers “1” to “24” for the 24 hours in a day. A day begins at one minute after midnight and ends at midnight the same day. The day begins at one minute after midnight (0001) and ends at midnight the same day (2400). The hours from 1:00 a.m. until noon are numbered in four digits (“0100” to “1200”). The hours from 1:00 p.m. until midnight are derived by adding twelve hours to the civilian time (for example, 3:00 p.m. = 1200 + 300 = 1500 hours)."
Let’s use some seconds and fractions:
23:59:59.99 is the previous day
00:00:00.01 is the next day which doesn’t begin at 0001!
Of course, here in the US, the idea of the 24 hour clock is foreign, hence the usage of “civilian time” and “military time”. I am the only person I know who sets all timepieces under my control that support the choice to use the 24-hour clock.
-Todd Glickman, for CBS News, New York (Above final two sentences are a direct quote from a report I did for the CBS Radio Network yesterday morning. I combined a day of rail fanning (my first chance post-Feb 22) with a bit of work at WCBS. Then zipped north for Seashore's Instructor Requalification Day today... and had the pleasure of moving our #800 R4A.)
It's interesting how the further north you go, the more extreme the times of sunsets and sunrises. NYC is slightly south of 41 degrees north latitude. I went to college near Rochester, slightly north of 43 degrees north. There's 69 miles between each latitude and longitude line, so it was a mere 138 miles due north. But in December it would be fully dark by 4:30. In June it will still be fully light after 8:30.
Ten years ago, we went to Seattle, which is between the 47th and 48th north parallel, in mid-late June- right when the days are at their longest. (We happened to be at a restaurant in the old World's Fair grounds by the Space Needle when the infamous O.J. Simpson Bronco chase aired.) We were hanging out at Gasworks Park on a nice Sunday evening with the sun still fully out. My wife asked me what time it was. I looked at my watch and said "Twenty after nine." "Quit kidding- what time is it, really?" "Twenty after nine."
Conversely, I went to London in December '88. Unable to sleep on a redeye, I went to sleep (disregarding all advice) as soon as I checked into my hotel on Russell Square at 2:00 in the afternoon. When I awoke, it was pitch black out and the clock read 4:00. Figuring I slept for fourteen hours and it was 4 AM, I looked out the window and was quite confused to see mobs of people dressed for business walking towards the Saint Pancras and Kings Crossing British Rail stations nearby. London is yet further north, between the 51st and 52nd north parallels. The next morning it wasn't fully light till 9:00.
Not Metra, but a different railroad (Northern Indiana CTD)
The rate is 4 minutes per degree longitude, going by sun transit (mid-day) times.
BZZZZZZT! No matter what, you're not going to need to change more than once. In the summer, EST and CDT are the same time (UTC-5 - UTC being the proper term for what used to be Greenwich Mean Time).
EDT = UTC-4
EST and CDT = UTC-5
CST = UTC-6
In the winter, the NW and SW corners of Indiana are UTC-6 and everywhere else is UTC-5. Illinois is UTC-6 and Ohio (and Michigan) is UTC-5. One time change as you move across the state.
In the summer, the entire state is UTC-5 except the SE corner is UTC-4. Illinois is UTC-5 and Ohio is UTC-4. Again, one time change as you move across the state.
Sterns County (among others), to be precise. But there the monks of St. Meinrad Archabbey rule the time (them having the clock towers with the bells that ring out the hours day and night, and them also being the biggest employer in the county). Physically, the monastery is on the *west* side of the Anderson Creek (The dividing line for the time zone is *in* the creek), but they own property on *both* sides of the creek.
They leave their clocks set to "Eastern Standard Time" (And ignore the fact that *they* *are* in the "Central Time Zone"). So in the Summer they match with "Chicago Time" and in the winter they match with "New York" time, and all year round they confuse the geese who try to call them on the telephone.
Elias
Don't they have Daylight in Arizona ?
But next time the eagle qwappeth, those who worked the shift will come up short an hour. If they stay on that shift through the next pick and do the tour again, they get to work another hour and that balances it out. It's like that for just about ALL hourlies who work the graveyard shaft. Then again, there's the whole year of some form of "night differential" for those who DO the hours (I expect that's STILL the rule at the TA unless TWU sold THAT out too) so the lost hour is not a big deal to most ...
No one who lives where you do has a right to complain about losing an hour this time of year and getting it back in October. If I were you, I'd be in favor of losing a MONTH in the mud season and getting it back in the Autumn.
Enjoy the wet snow/33 degree rain tonight and tomorrow. And the rest of April and half of May.
CONSTRUCTION SEASON!!! "Can't get there from here" ... keeps us safe from Osama ... even if he KNEW how to get here, about the only thing to blow up HERE is bambi. Heh.
For most PEF/CSEA/DC82 types, it's "salary" now ... hourlies are only "part-time" and well ... "welfare to work." :(
Gotta LOVE the "ruling class" ... THEY get paid ... budget's late again, THEY get paid. :(
(That's one reason why i hate this)
(yes, I'm aware they do this automatically....I hope)
Don't laugh, it wouldn't surprise me.
It is 1:59am and you are scheduled to take the 2:08am out.
Wait a minute - 2 minutes later it is 3:01am.
Guess what? You missed your 2:08am run!
I assume supplement schedules were in effect on all lines last night.
There had to be special schedules in effect for the evening.
-Robert King
Until next time...
Anon_e_mouse
My cell phone only changes over because it synchronizes with the computer.
My new car gets a time signal from the GPS and sets its clock that way, but I still have to activate and deactive daylight savings (only two button presses, one a touch screen press). The old car has none of that and the whole change has to be manual.
In my case, the old car... make that truck... no, call it a "cruck"... (it's a '65 Ford Falcon Ranchero) doesn't even have a clock... indeed, there wasn't even one available on the options list. :-) The '94 Mustang requires a simple push of the hours button to reset while the '96 Windstar requires pressing the clock and tuner buttons on the radio simultaneously to adjust the time.
Until next time...
Anon_e_mouse
Anyway, on the way back to ichardton my driver and I were debating how to change the clock radio. I did not have a clue, so I said "where is the Driver's Manual", she said, check the glove box. But of course there is not glove box, so I told her it must be in her side door pocket, whcih of course it was.
And so after thumbing through the index (Why is the clock listed on pages 29, 24, 48, and 62 ??? ~ I mean why not put it in one section: "Clock")
Anyway, setting the time was much easier (just two buttons) than finding out *how* to set the clock.
I said "We'd better book mark that page for next fall!"
: ) Elias
Same here, but in October it requires pressing that same button 11 times. :-)
I have two VCR's and a TV that reset the time automatically. They can be programed to reset or not. I do still have a 3rd older VCR that is about 8 years old, and still needs to be manually reset even after a one second power outage. Another, 16 year old TV is the same way.
It may make a difference that my signal comes from one of those old fashioned rooftop antennas.
The PC, the X-10 controller, the cell phones and the caller ID units.
Things that don't reset automatically:
The car clocks, the answering machine (AKA infernal device), the two TV's (both recent purchases, neither do) 1 of the two VCRS (the older one does, the newer one doesn't, go fig) the microwave, the stove, the various analog clocks and the bedroom clock radio. And, the various watches.
What we all get to go through twice a year for sonething started during World War I.
The worst part is that I forgot the water softener, so it is actually 28!
Chuck Greene
Chuck Greene
Chuck Greene
I must admit that everyone I know in this area uses pellet except me, although I have had no further problems since switching.
Both types are available at our local Agway.
Let's end this thread, it is so OT!
Chuck Greene
Here in Baltimore our water is so good that back in steam days, ships would come up the Bay to the Patapsco to refill the tanks with Baltimore water. It's so good that you don't have to do anything to it to put it in a boiler.
As to the watch count: 15. 5 digitals, and 10 that have mainsprings, including my 1911 Illinois Bunn Special.
It's the price I have to pay to live in this beautiful area, hard well water!
including my 1911 Illinois Bunn Special.
Every night I wind a Hamilton pocket watch that my uncle carried as a conductor on the NYNH&H RR.
I wear it (with pride) when I am in uniform at the BSM.
In a home system your cylinder is recharged periodically from a salt tank that sets alongside the cylinder. Dependng on how hard your water is determines how often the unit recharges itself.
Matthew Mummert
(4) WoodlawnBowlingGreen's little evil troll brother,
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From here it is put on the "cooling rack", then into the "refrigerator", then back into the "microwave" before finally proceeding into the "trash can".
http://www.nationalcorridors.org/df/df03292004.shtml#NewOrleans
When we visited New Orleans in 1996 we took Amtrak back to NYC from that terminal. Reminded me of the old Port Authority Bus Terminal, lots of shades of grey and too many people just hanging around, and in a part of town you only take a cab if you weren't familiar with the place. Now that the Canal St. line is running I'd consider using that to get there rather than the cab, but the station itself was sad.
I read that New Orleans used to have a neat station by Louis Sullivan, but probably it involved street running so the connections to a well placed station couldn't last, resulting in the current one at the outskirts.
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Unfortunately applause never funded anything.
http://www.nationalcorridors.org/df/df03292004.shtml#Moving
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Can someone explain how old "master clock" systems worked with analogue clocks?
http://www.nationalcorridors.org/df/df03292004.shtml#GCT
There were a few different schemes, but most of them (built by International/IBM/Simplex or Standard Electric) sent out a single pulse to all slave clocks in the system once a minute. Most systems used 24V DC pulses, but anything else could have been used. The pulse triggered a solenoid in each slave clock that "unlocked" the minute hand, when the pulse ended and the solenoid released, the minute hand would advance to the next stop at the next minute position.
This keeps all of the clocks moving in step, but not necessarily indicating the same time. To handle this, a correction pulse was delivered by the master clock once every hour, at the beginning of the hour, instead of a normal per-minute pulse. The correction pulse can be anything distinct from the normal pulses: for example, delivered on a separate wire, or inverted polarity. On simpler systems, the correction pulse would actuate an electromagnet that would draw the minute hand to the :00 position. This system, which would pull the minute hand forward or backward as much as 20 minutes or so, was used on Standard clocks. A more complex (and reliable?) system used by International had the slave clocks stop responding to per-minute pulses when they hit :59 and instead respond only to the correction pulse. During the 59th minute of an hour, the master clock transmits 59 normal (per-minute) pulses, to advance any clock that had fallen behind during the hour. At the last possible moment in the hour, all clocks (including those that had fallen behind) should be indicating :59 and will not be responding to the rapid pulses; when the correction pulse is delivered at the top of the hour, all clocks will advance to :00 in unison. Similarly, a clock that somehow ends up running fast will hit :59 early and stop, awaiting the correction pulse to push it to :00. (These slave clocks can be fun to watch when they're "stuck," they seemingly work very hard at the top of the hour but make no progress. A lot of noise, though.)
Generally speaking, these systems synchronize the minute hand only, once per hour. If it's 3:05 when you install a clock, and you set it to 5:00, when 4:00 rolls around it'll wind up displaying 6:00. More advanced systems would also synchronize the hour hand, using a 12:00 correction pulse, similar to the :00 correction pulse. However, this degree of synchronization wasn't the huge problem it might seem to be: if a clock somehow managed to lose 60 consecutive pulses, then something else was probably wrong and the clock needed to be looked at anyway.
Master clocks and repeaters often included features like "pulse counters," which would "save up" the pulses from the master clock in a power failure and deliver them to the slaves when the power returned. I don't know that any systems allowed clocks to be stepped backwards, but I'm sure it's been done. Even when the clocks would only move forward, it was easy enough to stop the system for an hour, or to set the master clock 11 hours ahead to effectively drop an hour back, to handle the fall equivalent of the dance we all should have done last night. Make the correction once at the master clock, and let it worry about sending out all those pulses.
Where slave units have second hands, they're usually driven locally by the slave clock itself without any synchronization. The second hand stops when it hits :00, and restarts when the clock receives a pulse. It's not too difficult to remain accurate to a fraction of a second if you only have to do it for 60 of them before being resynchronized, even if the time base is line frequency. Even so, synchronized systems with second hands are much rarer than those without.
Remarkably, just about anyone reading this, regardless of age, who attended a school with a synchronized clock system relied on time delivered by a system like the ones described. Fully digital installations are a newer phenomenon, so taking retrofits and new construction into account, this is only just now beginning to change.
IBM has some information on IBM clock systems. You can also find a wealth of information on these systems from people who collect them. Here's one for Standard Electric clocks.
Mark
Peace,
ANDEE
Also, how do these systems support second hand operation?
Thanks so much.
This is a function of the master clock. On the oldest systems, the master clocks were mechanical (pendulum-and-spring movement) with an electric motor connected to wind the spring daily. In the event of a power failure, the master clock would continue to run, but the electrically operated slave clocks obviously would stop. These systems could be fitted with the "pulse counters" I described to mechanically "save" pulses that the master clock generated but could not be delivered to the slaves. Even when pulse counters were not installed, these master clocks were always equipped with a means to advance all slaves in the system. This was usually a button or switch that would send pulses to the system rapidly, rather than once per minute.
On newer, fully-digital masters (yes, master clocks are still being made for pulse-driven analog systems, there's still a huge installed base), the difference between the "new" time (entered on a keypad or synchronized with an external source) and the "old" time is computed and the master sends out the proper number of pulses to catch a slow system up to time, or stops sending pulses until time has caught up with a fast system. The master, when equipped with a battery backup, can also incorporate a pulse counter, except now they're electronic instead of mechanical. And there's still a means by which the system can be advanced manually.
Slave clocks are indicating instruments only. To the slaves, pulses are just pulses. They don't care if they show up on time or not, or if they're generated by a master clock or some prankster with a fistful of 9V batteries. Incidentally, it's simple to improvise a master if you want to get a few slave clocks of your own, especially if you'd be happy with a straight pulse generator and forego some of the self-correcting stuff. If you're good with some combination of electronics, computers, and embedded controllers, it shouldn't be a problem for you to put together a fancy master clock, either.
Also, how do these systems support second hand operation?
The systems I described usually had second-hand operation retrofitted by adding an extra wire (or two) to carry unswitched AC at line frequency (but not necessary line voltage). This drove a synchronous motor to push the second hand. Depending on the system design, the second hand would stop in place either when it hit the :00 position (once per minute) or when it hit :00 and the minute hand was parked at :59 (once per hour). It would not be restarted until unlocked by a solenoid actuated by the rising edge of a per-minute or correction (per-hour) pulse. Sometimes, the motor and gearing were designed so that it took the second hand slightly less than 60 seconds to make one full rotation; this way, there was a better guarantee that the second hand would be parked at :00 when pulse to restart it came along, and less of a need for an electromagnet to draw it into position if it were running slightly behind.
This was possible because commercial power was stable enough (at least in this country) by the time these clocks appeared that, as I mentioned in my last message, it could be trusted as an "accurate enough" timebase for 60 (or 3600) seconds, as long as the second hand would be resynchronized each minute (or hour).
When I say "retrofitted," I mean that, for example, IBM added clocks with sweep second hands to their catalog, not that it was common for people to replace their perfectly good 2- and 3-wire systems.
You can spot these systems by looking for a minute hand that jumps in 1-minute increments. (On "normal" independent clocks, the minute hand sweeps very slowly, and when a second hand is present, it's geared directly to the second hand at the obvious ratio.)
What I've described is the basic design used in most master clock systems, specifically, those manufactured by IBM/Simplex or Standard Electric Time. As usual, there were variations, but they're mostly minor details. Some systems gave hourly correction pulses at some point other than :59/:00, or they used two minutes (or more) as the correction interval instead of one. Some played twice-a-day catch-up at 6: or some other time than 12:, so as to not disrupt the workday. Some ran as plain independent clocks synchronous with line frequency for an hour, and received only hourly correction pulses to pull both the minute and second hands into position. Some played funny gimmicky games with polarity. There are probably at least as many variations as there were manufacturers.
Railroads were big customers of master clock systems for more than just in-station needs. Entire roads were driven by these systems, with slave dials in every station, tower, and office, synchronized timeclocks, and more. As the first real consumers of accurate time, railroads have probably done more for timekeeping than anything before, anything since, or anything to come.
Mark
One click to engage the solenoid and another to release it. The pulses usually lasted a second or two, and on the rising edge (first click), the minute hand on many slave dials actually bounced backwards.
Mark
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It's a shame, another historic treasure bites the dust. They need to pass laws making it illegal to ever destroy anything over 50 years old. Knowing Guilford I wouldn't be a bit surprised if they set the fire themselves.
http://www.nationalcorridors.org/df/df03292004.shtml#Fire
Bill "Newkirk"
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Yet another step in the right direction.
http://www.nationalcorridors.org/df/df03292004.shtml#CSX
And the transportation industry will see even less number of sales and marketing people available to figure out how to shape CSX's service offerings. CSX themselves will see civil engineers covering larger and larger geographic areas, and operations manager having larger and larger number of people report to them.
It's not all bad, and it might decrease CSX's operating ratio and increase its share price. But look forward to less innovative service offerings, less patience in negotiating public-private and/or commuter rail schemes, and more haulage opportunities missed because there simply isn't anybody to answer the phone at CSX anymore. Try this yourself: call CSX and ask to speak to someone about a trainload of sand and gravel (tell them 100,000 tons over the course of a month, if they ask) you need shipped from Boston to Jacksonville. See who you get to talk to.
AEM7
Innovative? How about ON TIME. How about reducing terminal dwell? Over on a different board, I regularly read long lists of trains parked on the mains, clogged yards. The purported text of a warning to workers that UPS was not amused when the Boston and Jersey sections were swapped @ Selkirk engendering major delay. You should not need hordes of managers to read a waybill.
disclosure--as a lifelong B&O fan I am a very minor stockholder of CSX
Perhaps you know more about the rest of the CSX system and I hope you are damned right that they're cutting the right people. Hopefully they'll also embark on a growth strategy -- hire people that can generate new businesses.
AEM7
Just my $0.02.
-Adam
(allisonb500r@aol.com)
Exactly what safety improvements? Did you ever look at the number of wrecks that CSX has gotten into in recent years compared to its tonnage carried? Did you look at their employee safety record? Do you think you see an unsafe operation? If so, where? Did you ever look at safety on shortlines? Did you ever look at safety in the trucking industry? Exactly what safety improvements are needed at CSX?
So, who's this Mike Ward guy? Maybe the current CSX management isn't the best that there is, but you can't cut your way into growth. If CSX is going to succeed, there needs to be firings as well as hirings. As for these "losers", I think that most managers can manage competetently if there is good leadership from the top. The only reason safety took a back seat was because the top was more concerned about shareholder returns than about safety. Not the fault of the middle managers if they're being asked to meet cut-throat quotas that can only be met by cutting maintenance and safety.
AEM7
I salute you!
" This is a Brooklyn Bridge bound 6 express train"- Jessica Ettinger Gottesman ( the normal 6 voice)
The most annoying thing about yesterday was how many trainsets were getting stuck saying " this is a manhattan bound 6 train" when in manhattan
The first question is who holds our debt because our budget and Balance of Payments deficits have become larger than our domestic economy can absorb. The answer is many foreign countries that have had large amounts of dollars that they cannot spend - many of the same arab governments that have also paid off these same islamic terrorists to play their war games elsewhere.
This reality certainly limits how much "pressure" we can apply to encourage these "allies" to help us. Also, we cannot selectively default on this debt because we need all the oil these countries are willing to give us on credit.
As to your justification for your original statement - it's a big no sale here. If a definite link that the Saudi rulers were behind 9/11 or future similar attacks, I don't think any US administration could resist the 'will of the people' to retalliate vigorously and decisively.
But they can instead give some of those dollars away, in relief or welfare aid to neighbouring nations with a similar culture, which don't happen to have oil and are thus poor. And who is to say what people in those poor nations might do with some of that money? You do not have to postulate any malign intent on the part of the *donor* nations to explain why some of this cash ends up subsidising terror.
First: If it's about the balance of payments and national security we take the oil. We could have done so in Iraq if we felt it were necessary. We could in the rest of that part of the world. Of course, do we really need to. US oil reserves plus off shore and North slope fields could reduce the dangers.
Second: Is it all about the oil? it ain't just the gas guzzler SUVs. It'll be the Geo metros too. When the price hits $5/gal. and people can't heat theeeir homes, then even the anti-war groups, the liberals aand democrats will scream for the bloody stuff too. Then we'll see who the true hawwks are.
Nice pictures!
-Adam
(allisonb500r@aol.com)
Times Herald-Record/TONY SAVINO
New Jersey Transit's Meadowlands Maintenance Complex (MMC), where passenger trains are services, including this new Comet V, which is employed on the Port Jervis line.
Anyone notice anything wrong with that caption?
This refers to the train in the picture and that not a Comet V.
Paul
Don't assume that everybody reads your posts.
Also, Click Here for my website
-Chris
One you get it, you cam make website buttons, animated LED marquees and much much more. I make 'Gifimations' as I CALL THEM (i made that up) by putting consecutive photos together and adjusting the speed of change. Just click on the Animation Wizard button and follow the instructions. For the New Dorp one, I just took a bunch of pics as fast as I could as the St. George-bound train left. If you own a website, I would definitely recommend it. (Also, if you have a TransitGallery account, they wont let you upload small .gifs for some reason, so I cant post many examples.)
Hope that helps, CPCTC
-Chris
-Chris
-Chris
P.S.: You can give reasons if you want to and you can choose up to 10 if you wish! :)
My personal favorite(s): GP38 Chris, Elias, SINY_R143, David Pirmann, Bombardier, Train Dude, Salaam Allah, American Pig, and Operational Engineer II (Trevor Logan).
-Ben Diamond (a.k.a. 4traintowoodlawn)
I liked CC8thavelocal when he still participated.
-Julian
-Ben Diamond (a.k.a. 4traintowoodlawn)
My favourites are (in no particular order):
GP38 Chris
Elias
4trainwoodlawn
SUBWAYSURF
SINY_143
CPCTC
Train Dude
Flatbush 41
You people are all my friends (Yes Including DefJef....) So don't think that ok? (Ugh the inevitable cliche)
(4) WoodlawnBowlingGreen
(4) WoodlawnBowlingGreen
All seriuosness aside.
Peace and THANK YOU,
ANDEE
#3 West End Jeff
-Ben Diamond (a.k.a. 4traintowoodlawn)
:D
1.Bombardier-he's got a great site and takes some of the best subway
photos i'v seen.
2.David pirmann-i would want to meet him,this guy has the #1 subway
site in country.
3.Christopher Rivera-another subtalker that takes great photos.
4.Sir Ronald of McDonald-he's got a great site.
til next time
1.Bombardier-he's got a great site and takes some of the best subway
photos i'v seen.
2.David pirmann-i would want to meet him,this guy has the #1 subway
site in country.
3.Christopher Rivera-another subtalker that takes great photos.
4.Sir Ronald of McDonald-he's got a great site.
til next time
1.Bombardier-he's got a great site and takes some of the best subway
photos i'v seen.
2.David pirmann-i would want to meet him,this guy has the #1 subway
site in country.
3.Christopher Rivera-another subtalker that takes great photos.
4.Sir Ronald of McDonald-he's got a great site.
til next time
Don't worry, my 2nd favorite Subtalkers are the 1's who triple post.
Peace,
ANDEE
til next time
-Ben Diamond (a.k.a. 4traintowoodlawn)
Ohhhh, STOP the ass kissing. 8-)
Peace,
ANDEE
Seriously Ben, I'm not sure if this is a wise question to ask.
-Ben Diamond (a.k.a. 4traintowoodlawn)
JUST mho.
Peace,
ANDEE
-Ben Diamond (a.k.a. 4traintowoodlawn)
I LOOOOve the way he makes some of you go nuts. 8-)
Peace,
ANDEE
til next time
Peace,
ANDEE
-Ben Diamond (a.k.a. 4traintowoodlawn)
If you've got a streetcar question, ask away.
If you ever get below the Mason-Dixon line, stop by America's First Downtown Streetcar Museum, The Baltimore Streetcar Museum
E-mail me before you come down and I'll give you the grand tour of Baltimore's rail transit lines and the Museum.
Regards,
Jimmy
Emfinate, GP38Chris, Operational Engineer II, SINY_R143, David Pirman, Salaam Allah(the greatest pics on this whole site IMO), and a whole load of other people....
This place rocks! Thanks David!
Newkirk David Plaza
Arrow III MU
Broadway Junction
Jeff W
Qtraindash7
Bob Andersen
Anyway, thanks!
Regards,
Jimmy
-Ben Diamond (a.k.a. 4traintowoodlawn)
GP38 Chris: All-around good guy. Gave me the codes for photo and link posting. Calmed me down when I took DefJef's snide "NYC Subway voted worst in America" joke seriously by mistake.
Elias: No reasons; just an all-around good guy.
SINY_R143: He is such a comedian. I ROFLMAO whenever I think of his troll pics. He also posted those "Dealing with trolls" reduxes. I think his scrolling message that read "SCREW DEFJEF" in MTA letters was hilarious.
David Pirmann: The webmaster, who breaks his back to keep the whole site up and running. Give him lotsa credit.
Bombardier (John Villanueva): SubwaySpot.com webmaster. Excellent photos, and he let me have a community gallery album.
Train Dude: He posts some wise things (IMO).
Salaam Allah: EXCELLENT photos, especially the redbirds. Great personality. He's also the one who made "proff" popular around here.
American Pig: Just an all-around good guy.
Operational Engineer II (Trevor Logan): Contributes good photos to nycsubway.org; all-around good guy.
Dan Lawrence: Mr. Lawrence seems to be quite a gentleman around these parts.
-Ben Diamond (a.k.a. 4traintowoodlawn)
IOW, USE THE KILLFILES!!!!!!!!!
-Ben Diamond (a.k.a. 4traintowoodlawn)
Congratulations.
-Ben Diamond (a.k.a. 4traintowoodlawn)
-Ben Diamond (a.k.a. 4traintowoodlawn)
Elias
Actually - that's a true story.
Seriously, ya done good by booking him on over yonder ...
Mark
Regards,
Jimmy
Kev still remembers a lot about the R-1/9s. He and his wife, Nancy, are super nice people.
David Pirmann
Grounded Shoe Beam
Mark W.
David of Broadway
Sir Ronald of McDonald
Kool-D
Christopher Rivera
Salaam Allah
OnTheJuice
SUBWAYSURF
Bill Newkirk
-Ben Diamond (a.k.a. 4traintowoodlawn)
While we're at it, let me add:
SelkirkTMO
Chuchubob
and Koi
...to the list.
Each 1 of those brahs is listed for each a distinct reason.
1FareBall9
-Ben Diamond (a.k.a. 4traintowoodlawn)
O O O And let me not forget
TransitChuckG
-Ben Diamond (a.k.a. 4traintowoodlawn)
-Ben Diamond (a.k.a. 4traintowoodlawn)
10. 1SouthFerry9, for the constant tuna stain er... statements.
9. SUBWAYSURF, for his one sentence posts. And they mean a lot for just a few words, sometimes hillarious.
8. (tie) ArrowIII MU and CPCTC for straight civility here on Subtalk. Arrow III also gives me thanks for his kindness by sticking it out on riding the first Sea Beach at 5:15 AM after enjoying the Kosher Crab Juice and food (just kidding about the crab juice, we didn't have any that morning.)
7. Flatbush41, a real Brighton line ally and all around polite person if there ever was one. Does the best bus trip reports you will ever see.
6. Sallam Allah, for the world's greatest photos on the left coast. I promise to meet you in person one day this year, on a Pasenda Gold line platform.
5. #4 Sea Beach Fred, for someone to poke fun (and get it back in return) about how crappy his Sea Beach line is. Great fun to be with.
4. David of Broadway, for the best Subtalk postings and excellent photos. Anything you want information as to justify the subway lines' need, he will give you the reasons why.
3. Sir. Ronald of McDonald, although I tend to disagree with him on one or two issues, he does an excellent website and gives us something to think about. Especially with his "Guess the Location" teasers (which I get many of them correct anyway.)
2. Train Dude, because I will stick up for anyone that turn a one-dimensional issue into a 3-D insight that only TD can do as NYCT manager. His postings are on-target, and I don't care about the negatives from other Subtalkers about how TD is a child. Personally I think it's the posters themselves who have no idea what a NYCT manager is like. Can give credit to people when credit is due.
And numero UNO goes to a tiebreaker between heypaul and SelkirkTMO. They are great Subtalkers, speak a lot of great things and among the most trusted people on earth. So Unca Kirk, when are you coming down to board #1689 and #5466 at the Avenue L station? Be nice to meet you one day.
Honorable mention: American Pig, Paul Mathas, GP38 Chris, Chris R27/30, Bill "Newkirk", and many others I love here at Subtalk.
mr_brian - sound collection
David - ridership data and other statistics, also a welcome voice of rationality
vengence - sharing stories of his experiences
Flatbush41 - another voice of reason, often helps balance some of the silliness
NIMBYkiller - his endless proposals for expansion and extension, and his enourmous imagination
oakapple - makes you think
Frank Hicks - do I even have to say anything? I'm surprised he wasn't mentioned...
Jeff H. & Jersey Mike - vast signal knowledge
American Pig - often says what I'm thinking but don't have the guts to say myself...also a bit of historical knowledge and trivia
Fred G. - forgotten photographer
Elias - comic relief
Far Rockaway A train - sharing stories and memories from the 70's and 80's, as well as that huge gallery of graffiti pics
Steve Hoskins - didn't he make a whole bunch of this site's BAHN layouts? (Whatever happened to those? I never see them updated anymore...)
SteveB-8AVEXP - sharing his experiences on the R-1/9s and R-10s and other pre-war cars
RIPTA42HopeTunnel - a little rough sometimes, but has a great site
john (and WMATAGMOAGH) - Washington Metro info, photos, and let's not forget the track maps [and the list of destination codes!]
All the TA employees [you know who you are, I'm not naming names] - an employee's perspective on things and (though limited) inside information
chuchubob - gotta love the way he slips like 3 or 4 photo links in every sentence in his posts, and it's nice to occsionally see stuff other than NYC transit
Todd Glickman - let's not forget Transit and Weather Together! Too bad Seashore is so far away...
Rail Blue - cracks me up
Qtraindash7 - yeah, he complains too much, but some of his stories are just hilarious
SINY_R143 - the imaginative fantasy maps
Darkside - drew a few historical maps
High St / Brooklyn Bridge (also The Big Bad) - rare and exclusive photos
William A. Padron - helped identify many of the tricky photos in the Unidentified Images section
Anybody else I didn't mention - either you were already mentioned by someone else, or I don't read enough of your posts to say anything, or you don't post much.
Or because I wanna get back to my breakfast. :)
Or maybe you bug me...
"Or maybe you bug me..."
What? I haven't flamed you at all. Or are you being sarcastic?
-Ben Diamond (a.k.a. 4traintowoodlawn)
Or because I wanna get back to my breakfast. :)
Or maybe you bug me...
What? I haven't flamed you at all. Or are you being sarcastic?
Ben, it's not directed towards you in particular. He's referring to the board as a whole & you should loosen up a bit, your Subtalk experience will be much better 8-).
-Ben Diamond (a.k.a. 4traintowoodlawn)
-Ben Diamond (a.k.a. 4taintowoodlawn)
And although I find some of the stuff you say or do a little funny or odd, you're definitely not among those that "bug" me. Relax! :)
You can always check here for the "newest material." I'm going to add some other stuff when I get the chance.
I will be posting another batch from the '80s in the near future. If you are into buses, I will be posting stuff from the '80s as well as from the '70s on Bustalk. So keep an eye out for these.
IAWTP
(I guess it must have been the Thomas the Tank Engine post...)
Da Hui
BTW, why does he put "Da Hui" at the end of all his messages?
-Ben Diamond (a.k.a. 4traintowoodlawn)
More like rude and obnoxious.
Regards,
Jimmy :)
Just goes to show to read all of the responses in a thread.
Regards,
Jimmy
PS, you got me hungry for Falafel again.
JLA
Nah Cockeye the Battery Man suits you better.
Da Hui
Peace,
ANDEE
However, there is one post that I've read that is bar none my benchmark for posts at this and any of the other fora:
It's MikeF 's Winter Ode To The 7 Train
I wasn't posting at the time, Mike, but know this: You owe me a new monitor cuz I spewed coffee all over mine. A true Windex moment!
Your pal,
Fred
AEM7
Amanda
American Pig
Broadway Junction
Deaks
Fytton
LincolN
Max Roberts
NIMBYkiller
#4 Sea Beach Fred
SINY_R143
Wado
Then I gave up as I realised what a good place SubTalk is! [raises extremely large wine-glass] To everyone!!!
You going to share some of that wine? ;)
No!! It's all mine!!! :-P But as you ask SO nicely...
Oh and whether it could endure a trans-Atlantic flight is another matter...
First place is a tide between:
Operational Engineer 2, and Paul Roach (forgot handle). You guys are like my older brothers, and without you 2, I dont know where I would be.
2nd: David: For keeping me on my toes information wise.
3rd: Ozzy, the psycho with the long ass screen name.
4th: Mark W: And your witty remarks.
5th: Tide between Lincoln and Broadway Junction. No particular reason, just 2 good, opportunistic friends.
I mean tie.
I wish I could edit these damn posts.
-Chris
No problem.
A few more SubTalkers whom I had neglected to mention earlier, but who also are on my respected list:
Steve Hoskins
Anon_e_mouse
Mister K
Jailhouse Doc
I'm sure I'll think of others.
:-) Andrew
"The British crew (Fytton, Rail Blue, David Fairthorne) - sharp observations from the other side of the pond."
While Rail Blue and I indeed both live in England, I have the impression that David Fairthorne is a Brit who now lives in the USA.
Why, THANK you Peter. I'm often tempted to post a lot more than I do, but try to do so only when I feel I really have something to say. Other peoples' opinions may vary, of course.
Anyway, my favorites, personally and/or by postings in no particular order:
David of Broadway
RIPTA 142 Tunnel
Kevin Walsh
BMT Man
Newkirk Plaza Dave
Sir Ronald
Mr_t
Paul Matus
'Sparky'
anon_e_mouse
Broadway Junction
Operational Engineer
Qtraindash7
Lou from Brooklyn
Chris R27-30
Steve B- 8 Av Express
Mark Feinman
chuchubob
Sea Beach Fred
Flabush 41
Oh yeah, and some guy by the name of Peter Rosa.
David Pirrman (creator of this great website)
Chuchubob (great photos)
Jeff W (helps me out all the time)
Wbodner (cool guy and helps me out)
Chuck ;-)
Operational Engineer II
gotta shout Dave for the site.
sciguy1904 enjoy being ur bro LOL
SUBWAYSURF
CLAYTON PARKER(stands up for a brother)
MARK W
PELHAM BAY DAVE
DUTCHRAILNUT(NICE TO HAVE SOMEONE WORKING IN THE SAME RAILROAD AS ME)
AMANDA(like ur posts, and u remind me of my best friend who shares the same name)
STEVE-8AV EXP
FAR ROCKAWAY A TRAIN (REPRESENT THAT A MAN)
EBWAYTONY AND TOO MANY OTHERS TO NAME.
FORMERLY E JAMAICA CENTER
NOW A 8AV FULTON EXPRESS
Peter Rosa
Windsor Terrace Economist
David
Nimbykiller
American Pig
david vartanoff
Selkirk
John J Blair
David of Broadway
What makes SubTalk a good place to drop by is that there's really nobody here who I dislike.
CG
Qtraindash7
CG
22 years ago I was a teen on Long Island with no form of transportation except for my bike, the bus and the train.
CG
1. Carl M. Rabbin
2. Jersey Mike (keep the grudges to yourself people)
3. BMTman
4. Steve B-8AVEXP
5. Wayne-MrSlantR40
6. Hank Eisenstein
7. Zman179
8. Peter Rosa
9. The Transit Professional formerly known as Mr. R-46
10. Mark S Feinman
They were always respectful, never referred you to past posts, respected the younger railfans. Gave respect when given. Never acted immature, and they answered every question instead of bitching about how many times the question has been asked before. They're knowledge is far reaching, and worth hearing. What is sad is that alot (most) of the people on the list either don't post anymore or rarely post. (Quite Possibly under another handle)
Those were good times...
1) Photography: Jersey Mike (esp. signals), Brian Weinberg "Sir Ronald," and GP38Chris, Chuchubob and of course Dave Pirmann...
2) Best knowledge of subway and American history and best explanations: American Pig
3) Best on signals: Jersey Mike
4) My all-around favorite (and most entertaining posts): Selkirk
Best posts on electronics: Phillip Nasadowski and Jeff W.
Best mathematical posts and theoretical posts: Stephen Baumann
SelkirkTMO: Madly funny.
(4) WoodlawnBowlingGreen: A great friend.
Flatbush41: Edits some of the mischief (that includes some of my mischief) with his neverending common sense.
edk256: Also very funny.
Arrow III MU: A great personality aroung these parts.
Broadway Junction: Posts some good stuff.
( 1 ) South Ferry ( 9 ): A dang good street talker.
TransitChuckG: Another great personality. And he's got planty with his long (50 something years long!) experience of the hobby.
VCP R62#1516/QV RTS #8374 Q79 Floral Park LIRR: The nut. :-)
Don't think I'm singling y'all out who I didn't put (except the 4 people here [I won't mention any names] that bug me), you're all my friends. :-)
-Ben Diamond (a.k.a. 4traintowoodlawn)
New Look Terrapin: A man with lotsa plans (i.e. the "Redbirds Forever" movie, the SubTalk BBQ CookOut)
Rail Blue: Can be funny sometimes, IMO.
John J. Blair: See above. :-)
OnTheJuice: SubTalk's favorite homeboy (I mean that in a funny/good way).
LincolN, RonInBayside: Very enthusiastic.
Some BusTalkers:
BIG AL, Brooklyn67, MJQoperator, ENY Nova 5205: They make good bus info. encyclopedias. :-)
-Ben Diamond (a.k.a. 4traintowoodlawn)
-Chris
-Ben Diamond (a.k.a. 4traintowoodlawn)
-Chris
Not everyone here is my favorite (although you are one of them). I like everyone here but I just have those who I like more than others (my favorites) and I just have a lot. Besides, didn't you see Dante's (Broadway Junction's) list?
You might as well have a least favorite SubTalker thread instead.
That would ignite flamage.
-Ben Diamond (a.k.a. 4traintowoodlawn)
Thanks!
I want to thank my computer, my TV, my Metrocard...
Lincoln
SciGuy 1904
VCP R62#1516/QV RTS #8374 Q79 Floral Park LIRR
4traintowoodlawn
A 8AV FULTON EXP
aznboy4305
Mark W.
High St/Brooklyn Bridge
G1Ravages & His Dad (LOL!)
Bombardier
jehuty v2
Amanda
And thanks to those that gave me props!
Regards,
Trevor Logan
www.transitalk.info
You're one of my favs and I'm one of your favs. :-)
-Ben Diamond (a.k.a. 4traintowoodlawn)
I never made enemies here. Always got along. Posted photos, and all that stuff.
I met 2-3 Subtalkers. One never wanted to be meantioned for some crazy reason(Meantioned that I saw him because somebody else he hated or something would say something. -_-, yeah right my but). The other one was on the riverline, I think it was chuck, cant remember really. Then another I suspect also was from here since him and chuck(I think anyways) were railfan talking. And I suspect chuck because the guy called him chuck, I forgot if I said anything though. -_-
But anyways, I hate these damn topics. I'm either left out, or somebody is left out, which can make enemies and hatred.
Are you a girl? >_
I've sene his name on here, but no votes for him?
What about #4 Sea Beach Fred and #1 Brighton Beach Bob? Or Uncka Selkirk TMO?
Or even Darlene Stefanson or even this characters liek Jersey Mike?
What ab out them?
any information is greatly appreciated.
Dangnabbit, that should be "its." I sincerely apologize for that glaring mistake. I will try to make sure it never happens again.
Your pal,
Fred
PS, it's 'dagnabbit'
In their mid-1990s report, to spice things up, they did an analysis of the neighborhoods along the Flushing Line, the most immigrant intensive area of the city in terms of sheer diversity. The dubbed it the "Orient Express," and spiced up the data with a chapter entitled "A Ride on the Orient Express" combining their data on the changing groups by stop with an overview of the shops and restarants surrounding the stops.
The report made a big splash in the press and made the "demographateers" briefly famous. Amoung the other perks, they got to do a restaurant tour of the area, for publication, with Molly O'Neil, the New York Times food critic at the time (Paul O'Neil's sister). The whole thing just built on itself, and that's who the name came about and the Flushing Line became famous as a symbol of immigrants in America.
Anyway, I've asked my former mates to provide me with a population data run in exchange for some economic data I provided to the Department of City Planning, gratis. Next time I talk to them, I'll ask if they can use their next immigration report to do for the Brighton Line what they did for the Flushing Line.
How about the "Silk Road."
In terms of ridership or sentimental value?
Peace,
ANDEE
-Chris
1) What line is prefered by riders?
2) What line is used by riders?
All in all, I'd have to go with the A.
D to Brighton Beach!!
You CANNOT defend yourself against some WILLING to commit suicide. Just MHO.
Peace,
ANDEE
Israel should kill the families of suicide bombers. At the same time, they should abandon settlements and open a dialogue saying that they are willing to stop and have peace.
Peace must often only follow war.
Regards,
Jimmy
- 625 new R68/R68A cars replacing all R10/R16/R27's and many R30's.
- The scrapping of all R12/14/15/17/21/22 A division cars.
- The first additional lines openening since the late 1960's, reversing a 20 year trend of subway contraction.
- Massive overhauls in how maintenance is handled (switching from deferred to scheduled).
- Hundreds of miles of track replaced.
I guess you['re new here....perhaps you aren't aware, but typing in all-capital letters is considered discourteous on Internet boards. It's tantamount to yellign and screaming. Perhaps you might be able to hit your caps-lock key next time.
-Robert King
The Type 8's are a disaster (in fact, nothing built by Breda for the light rail market have ever been a success. Cleveland, San Francisco and Boston all bought LRV's from Breda and all have had problems. Cleveland had to tweak their's in-house to get them to work as promised. SF Muni has had beaucoup problems with their's as well, and we all know the myriad problems with the Type 8's) and the MBTA would have been better off to dump the contract, pay the penalties and go back to Kinki-Sharo for the order.
Add to that the plain fact that Breda's designers were beaten senceless with a pile of ugly sticks for the SF and Boston orders.
As to Boeings, why? Only MBTA was able to get a Boeing to work properly. Pay Amerarail to fix a the door and AC problem.
I don't know anything about Cleveland or San Francisco Bredas, but I think that the Boston Bredas have not really been as bad as people would have you believe. There were problems, and they have to be fixed, and some of it is due to design faults. Others is due to cheaping out. Some is due to the infrastructure, and really Breda's lack of experience in building something intended for legacy infrastructure. Sure, Breda is at fault for building a crappy car, but they are not bad engineers... sometimes it's a question of the kind of resources they have available to deal with the design issues.
Are you aware that there had been rust issues with Kinki-Sharyos? Different builders seemed to be good at different things. The Boeings were built like tanks, and they're still going (despite being a maintenance nightmare); the Kinkis were spalling all over the place due to the use of fillers on the curved section of the body -- hence the repaint program.
Seems to me that different builders had different problems. They are not unavoidable, and it is true that Breda didn't build a great vehicle, but it'll be fixed, given some time and money.
As to Boeings, why? Only MBTA was able to get a Boeing to work properly. Pay Amerarail to fix a the door and AC problem.
And you do remember why the door problem was there in the first place, right? Because Muni has those stupid mixed high-low platform operations that required plug doors?
AEM7
til next time
Take the Redbirds for example. Rife with asbestos, the potential buyer may breathe it and that's instant litigation. Even if the MTA bothered to go through all the trouble, money is something they want to save firsthand.
(d) AUTHORIZATION OF APPROPRIATIONS- There is authorized to be appropriated from the Highway Trust Fund (other than the Mass Transit Account) to carry out this section $40,000,000 for each of fiscal years 2005 through 2009.
(e) APPLICABILITY OF TITLE 23, UNITED STATES CODE- Funds authorized to be appropriated by this section shall be available for obligation in the same manner as if such funds were apportioned under chapter 1 of title 23, United States Code; except that the Federal share of the full project costs of an eligible project shall be 80 percent and such funds shall remain available until expended.
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(A) means the capital cost of the fixed guideway infrastructure of a MAGLEV project, including land, piers, guideways, propulsion equipment and other components attached to guideways, power distribution facilities (including substations), control and communications facilities, access roads, and storage, repair, and maintenance facilities, but not including costs incurred for a new station; and
(B) includes the costs of preconstruction planning activities.
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(d) AUTHORIZATION OF APPROPRIATIONS- There is authorized to be appropriated from the Highway Trust Fund (other than the Mass Transit Account) to carry out this section $40,000,000 for each of fiscal years 2005 through 2009.
(e) APPLICABILITY OF TITLE 23, UNITED STATES CODE- Funds authorized to be appropriated by this section shall be available for obligation in the same manner as if such funds were apportioned under chapter 1 of title 23, United States Code; except that the Federal share of the full project costs of an eligible project shall be 80 percent and such funds shall remain available until expended.
SEC. 1115. RECREATIONAL TRAILS.
A few politicians have ben hooked on this dead end for years now. I'm not surrised at all...
Sorry. Here is one site with good HTML source:
HTML coding tips at Draac.com
(BTW, I preferred the old monotone sound over the stupid SOS beeps we hear today).
For example, if the back was closed and the front open, and you spotted the connecting train, would you re-open the back? If you've lost a lot of time, then? Sometimes a tower might radio you to "close it up?"
I know its completely contextual question, but I'm just looking for some insight into what you guys think about.
Robert
Funny thing is if a train is 6 minutes late passing them southbound, they don't tell anyone. However, if a northbound train is 3 minutes late, they want to know why.
Hey! I never knew that the (R) train had a schedule.
Of course, the last time I rode on it, it was still the (RR) train, the R-27s were new with a nice pink interior.
I got off at Whitehall Street, and ended up in Vietnam.
Elias
We need a lot more people in the TA that realize that their job is to move the passengers and not to get to the terminal as quickly as possible.
The problem is, what would some SubTalkers complain about then? ;)
They'd find something, trust me. 8-/
Peace,
ANDEE
Oh, wait, they already do that.
What gets my goat as a passenger, er, customer is conductors who
get into pissing contests with passengers over door holding, _during
midnight hours!
Off-peak periods, namely daytime between rush periods, and evenings conductors are encouraged to make connections.
Late nights, when headways between trains are greater, conductors ARE REQUIRED to make connections.
Although, no matter the time of day, usually local supervision (dispatchers at local towers or area master towers, etc.) will order the train to hold in the station to make the connection with an incoming train, either by radio order, or by station holding lights. This all is usually done if schedule (on-time, x-amount of minutes lateness, etc.) permits it.
"This is Dekalb Ave. Next stop: Chambers St".
Regards,
Jimmy
Click here and enjoy
(Although thinking purely in terms of interurbans I'd probably choose a date about thirty years earlier.)
Alan Follett
Hercules, CA
In any event, those cars, on the 36 Broadway-State line, are my earliest traction memories. I remember standing on the corner of Surf and Broadway, before the Forties were over, and watching the cars go by: 36-119-Morgan, 36-Broadway-Devon. I horrified my RN mother by picking up stray transfers, o surely turbecular in extremis, from the sidewalk in front of the Commodore and the Greenbrier. A couple of years later, when I was a bit more mobile, I remember discovering Limits Station, three blocks away. I even have a crystal-clear memory, surely evidence for the reality of false memory syndrome, of PCCs looping back on Surf Street between Clark and Broadway, where the tracks assuredly never were laid.
My early grade school years included many trips aboard Green Hornets between Broadway-Surf and Nettlehorst School at Broadwwy-Melrose.
A few days before the discontinuance of the last Chicago trolley line, Wentworth Avenue (the south end of 22 Clark-Wentworth), I remember, on my 6th-grade class tour of Chicago, encountering the Green Hornets on Wentworth Avenue in Chinatown, in connection with our class luncheon. I was the only boy in the class who ordered off of Chi-Am's Chinese menu, instead of wimping out on the hamburger. I attribute this to the fact that for many years my family had been saved from my mother's happy-amateur cookery (an ornament to her profession, but definitely not Julia Child) by Wing Yee's carryout.
Alan Follett
Hercules, CA
Incidentally, one of our regular Subtalkers rode on the last Broadway streetcar as well as the very last one to operate in Chicago on June 21, 1958.
I assume that is a reference to me. I do have documented evidence of being on the last Broadway car. My picture was published in the CTA Transit News (employee newsletter) of the conductor punching my transfer. Imagine! Streetcars with conductors!
Of course, I'd get to see shiny new R-32s again. Not to mention seeing what was left of Penn Station. We passed through it on the 20th, but I don't remember anything except the announcer's voice booming over the loudspeakers in the Concourse.
IIRC, Airtrain uses a derrivative of a bonkers system someone (Alcatel?) did years ago for some system out in the UK (Docklands LRT?), the cables crossing allow the onboard computer to figure out where the train is...
IIRC, Airtrain uses a derrivative of a bonkers system someone (Alcatel?) did years ago for some system out in the UK (Docklands LRT?), the ca