1)With the success of the "artics" on the Y8 WMATA plans to put artics also on the F13. They want to do this in order to increase service on this route.
2)To view the route numbers more better they decided to put the route number where they could see it, but they did something wrong in putting the signs in upside down. Of course noone notices until six months have past when a maintenance person asks, when did they start putting the route number on the left side of the front of the bus.
3)Since cutting back service was so great WMATA wants to save more money and cuts the Y8 to 30 minutes and here is the kicker. They put longer buses on this route to help improve customer flow, but only put
Orion IIs and Orion V-30 footers.
4)Also with the success of the Y8's artics they also decide to put "artics" and cut back service on the following crowded routes: C2,4 , F4, 28A,B, 30s and the 90 routes. Although throughout the whole year none is seen.
5)They go through with the extension of the J4 but to Branch Avenue. So in serving Bethesda, Silver Spring, Langley Park and College Park, the J4 will now serve New Carrolton, Lanham, Landover, Capitol Heights, Addison Road, District Heights, AAFB and Morningside terminating at Branch Avenue.
6)They bring back the N7, nuff said
7)They plan to run buses on wine but that falls through when most of the wine is drunk by bus drivers and whinos who have mysteriously became bus fans.
8)Last but not least due to the success of both the B30 and the 5A they decide to do an express route to National Airport(anyone who knows Washington will get this one).
1) As the 8700 series Flxibles get retired, WMATA will repaint all of them to the new scheme so that they enjoy their remaining two weeks of existance in it.
2) In response to Chris D's complaints of the headways of the R2, it will now run every 90 minutes rather than every 70 and the last bus will be at 6:30 PM instead of 8:30 PM.
3) Midday service will be eliminated on the Y8 between Wheaton and Olney
4) In retalition, WMATA will now start to parallel "The Bus" routes and then ralize that they are actually duplicating their own service.
5) New LED signs will continue to be installed, but will no longer have the route on it. They'll just have the destination and everyone will have to guess which route it is. All bus stops will be taken away as a cost cutting measure and will have a 'flag stop' system instead.
4)LMAO!!!!
oh Yes and another kicker. B30 buses will now be assigned to the 52, Next Bus buses will be assigned to the Z8 and Pike Ride buses will be assigned to the J12,14.
And to further the destination sign mess, new screwed up signs will a also say such phrases as "BLING-BLING" "WESTSIDE" "THIS IS AN ARTIC"
"SPECIAL BU" a sound a fart makes and the F14 signed to terminate at Tyson's Corner.
On a serious note, I hope they hold off retiring them as long as possible. The oldest Flx I have ride there is a 9700, and I want to enjoy the older ones before they are gone forever. :(
-Fred
WMATA also dips its scoop into the ice cream industry by selling Good Humor bars onboard the Orion II's on the Y8 to disgruntled passengers compaining about the cramped cabin
The 27 is brought back by WMATA but now runs from Dorset Avenue to Wheaton, Langley Park, and Minnesota Ave in Northeast DC
-Smoke
-Consume Food or Drink (READ THE WARNINGS CHRIS)
So although they sell it you won't be allowed to use it until you get off...(anyone who keeps up with transit news will see the allusion here, to last year's proposal to put Redbox-like vending machines in Metro stations)
-Replace the luggage racks on the B30 with vending machines; place vending machines in rear door clearances on other buses
Good thing Ride On didn't have an adopt a stop program, especially for a certain someone who's certain route was terminated. That stop wasn't adopted at all, it was a hostile takeover.
For awhile, there was construction on Dorset behind the inbound stop, but the construction trailer's arrival made conditions there worse, and they never improved once the construction ended.
-F.
TransitChuckG
Chuck Greene
WMATA-bidding goes out in the middle of 2004 for 250 CNG buses, or 250 buses period.
Baltimore MTA-has dumped Neoplan and has piggybacked an order for 125 New Flyer, most likely D40LFs to be delivered around Spring of 2004.
Ride On-Was supposed to get their first batch of Orion 7s but they haven't arrive yet. The second batch is supposed to come by May or June (just an estimate)
DASH-already got their 35 foot Orion Vs in mid 2003 and they went into service November-Dec of 2003.
Cue-Got their Gillig 30 footers earlier this year.
BWI-Not sure when they got their Neo low floor CNGs, but they are now in service, they probably were delivered in Nov/Dec.
PRTC-Piggybacking an order with Charlotte and is replacing their Omnilink buses with Gillig Advantages
Maybes:
University of Maryland is said to be getting new buses but that is not 100% confirme
ART is most likely getting them since they aren't taking over the route that is now run by the 22B till summer.
Connect-A-Ride was seeking bids for at least 2 low floor coaches, not sure when or if that was done or when these buses are due to arrive.
Unsures:
Howard Transit got some more truck buses last year not sure if they are getting any buses this year.
THE BUS should be replacing their so called CAGVs, but whether they are or not is unsure, but hate to see what they would replace them with.
Fairfax Connector not sure if they will be getting any this year, still have a handful of Orion Is and would most likely replace them with Orion Vs.
Fairfax Connector - I think they're good on buses for now, the Is are used as spares mostly
PRTC - I think their October newsletter indicated a desire to replace their reserve RTSes, one of which I saw in operation at Springfield yesterday.
Georgetown Metro Shuttle and Connect-A-Ride both received the same model of International 3400-based Champion bustrucks, ETA undetermined. I wonder if Howard Transit was in on the deal..
ART will probably stick with their wannabes until they can get off their gravel lot in Springfield and into a real garage.
UMD - replacing the 40' Bs? Or a supplemental order?
BMTA - Estimated arrival Spring 2004, estimated service date Summer 2006 :p
-F.
-Adam
(enynova5205@aol.com)
45 of 'em, 7810-7854. And they are indeed 1994 TMC RTS T80 206s.
Here is a picture of one that is being blocked by a particular unnamed Individual:
Sorry, but I do not have a better picture
These things have Detroit Diesel Series 50 engines with an Allison V731 transmission.
JD
Same bus as in Ray's picture
-Fred
Where do Fairfax's 30-foot Orion V's operate?
JD
Also, there are the 35 foot Orion V's from FFX Connector that I see very rarely, although saw one on the 401 not so long ago.
Oh yeah, I saw an Orion I on the 401 today, too. : )
It seems like they still have a good amount of the Orion Is. I guess the best running ones, are kept including the first group. I have seen numbers as low as 7703 still in service.
The 505 uses mainly RTS's, which is good to break up the monotony of the Orions. I have this hunch that on Saturday's bus trip, Orions will be all that we ride, with the exception of the CUE and DASH Gilligs.
-F.
The L buses are then probably running only Flxibles. I could count the number of times I've seen a 4000 or 2000 series Orion on Connecticut Avenue on the L1, L2, or L4.
Clearly, the even 30s are the premiere lines at Western. The Ls and Ns are clearly lower class (not counting the E6, M4, N8, and 98 which serve ice cream to Knollwood, Pinehurst, Sibley Hospital, Wesley Heights, and Adams-Morgan a majority of the time)
-F.
-F.
-F.
So whose order did MTA Maryland piggybacked their New Flyer order?
Could it be SEPTA's?
Also, I hope Shuttle UM does not get new buses this year. I am assuming that if they do, their Metro B fleet will be out the door. :( And if Ride-On gets Orion VIIs, does that mean curtains for the Is?
-Fred
And Ride On's Orion VIIs means curtains for 1989 Gilligs ;-)
NEW FLYER: Notoriously Everywhere When Flxibles Leave Your Everyday Routes. Which ones will they be replacing in that fleet?
It is a shame they will be in the new flag scheme. LFs sure would look sharp in the good old blue stripe!
-F.
Regards,
T.L.
-Fred
No wonder I moved to NJ. No saber-rattling from NJT's union [they can't strike due to state law], and steady [but shitty] bus service.
Also, what is the situation with SEPTA's ATU and UTU garages?
-Adam
(enynova5205@aol.com)
The Red Arrow contracts (UTU and TWU) expire April 1.
Frontier contracts expire April 15.
I've been curious about that for a while. To me, it doesn't seem that the union and NJT get along with each other, why is that? Can any NJT employee explain that? Can anyone explain the setup at NJT and the union? But I remember reading there was one strike in the early 80's when the company was just formed. No less than 3 years old I think. But I don't know if it was the whole company or Rail Operations that striked. Maybe someone else knows. Thanks!
MetroB
The strike you was referring to was the strike [1983] that occurred when NJT took over the former Conrail commuerter rail lines. NJT [as well as SEPTA, MTA, and MBTA] wanted major concessions from rail unions as a condition for workers to keep their jobs. The workers wanted to keep the benefits and work rules under Conrail, the transit authoritries wanted something more modest. Since Congress wasn't going to pony up more money, the transit systems took a strike in order to negotiate down these benefits and work rules.
About that strike did NJT end up "winning" against the union in getting what they wanted? Thanks.
MetroB
Yes
Where is this?
Baltimore Travel Plaza Greyhound lot
How is the damaged light pole related to Greyhound?
It was most likely damaged by a Greyhound "driver" trying to "back up".
It was most likely damaged by a Greyhound "driver" trying to "back up".
You're assuming it was a Greyhound driver. I don't think that's fair.
Unless it happened during the President's Day snowstorm which doesn't count as recent anymore...
There is not one shred of evidence as has already been stated, that a Greyhound Coach damaged the light pole. I brightend the photo.....the sign in the upper right reads 'HERTZ EQUIPMENT RENTAL'. Quite possibly that company shares this lot, and people who rent equipment usually have little experience operating it or the trailers used to transport. This could also have been cause by a snowplow, as was pointed out.
Judge a carrier by it's equipment, employees, customer satisfaction, and safety statistics. Not random photos. Snap judgements are usually wrong...
Well you know what? ASSUMPTIONS are wrong (your entire post) , being that you have NOT seen the area in person and ASSUME the situation of the photo.
Is THIS easier for you to understand without assumptions?!
Judge a carrier by it's equipment, employees, customer satisfaction, and safety statistics. Not random photos
Alright I will.
The equipment is a cramped and old-fashioned Mc-12
The driver cannot back up correctly
I was not satisfied with my last ride on greyhound. in fact, I saw a greyhound driver ditching one of it's passengers at the plaza as she was running for the bus and he just peeled out with no regards for the passenger who was running for the bus (in pure sight)
safety statistics, I do not have.
As for the MC-12, I LOVE those buses...they still have the classic MCI sloped back end, and most of them still have those sweet 6V92s. :)
-F.
Lies, lies, lies....
Ok, so maybe I exaggerated it a bit. You going 2MPH over the speed limit is barely acceptable. You going anything more than 2MPH over the speed limit is headline news across the globe;-)
65 MPH on 295 in New Jersey between Mount Holly and the interchange with 76 in a 45 MPH construction zone (which was about 12 miles long), 71 MPH on the NYS Thruway for about 30 miles when the limit was 65 (and when it was 55, I was not going 55), 65 on the GSP in heavy traffic when the limit was 55, 70 on 95 from the Newark, DE tolls all the way to 495 except for a few construction zones with narrow lanes, sharp curves, and the Fort McHenry tolls, and I came pretty close to 70 on 495.
Also, when was the last time you even drove on Democracy Boulevard?
Wayne
As for the EZPass lanes, I wish they had one of those YOUR SPEED IS X MPH things just as you approach the lane or a thing that would light up as you enter saying YOU ARE GOING SLOW ENOUGH. I've had to practically stop in the lanes in order to get my pass to read. Also, you will be pleased to hear that the Hillside Toll on the GSP now has an express EZPass lane which allows you to go through at 35 MPH and the Palisades Parkway approach to the GWB now has one for 25 MPH.
On the GSP (back in the early 90's) you'd get blased if you slowed down too much in the exact change lanes. Most vehicles (including buses) would slow to about 25-30 MPH, fling the token/change into the basket and hit the accelerator. Haven't driven on the GSP in a few years, but that is good news.
I also agree with your statement about speeding up to please others. I know I routinely roll at the limit or above so if someone wants to go fast than the my speed... my feeling is that they need to just go around me. Also - if I'm not moving very fast I won't hange in the left lane or I will move over.
As for moving right if I am going slow, I always do that. I just wish others would as well.
I thought this was only praticed on the Autobahn in Germany to warn u "That I'm Coming Through" but what the hell guess it could happen in America too
-F.
There's nothing wrong with passing on the right on a multilane highway. (Disagree? Find me a single state that prohibits it.) But giving someone the opportunity to pass on the right is a violation of lane courtesy.
Many roads have signs saying STAY RIGHT PASS LEFT but I don't know if those can be enforced by law.
I keep right except to pass. If I'm minding my own business in the right lane, and I come across a slow nincompoop in the middle lane, I'm fully entitled to continue driving at the same speed in the same lane, even if I end up in front of the nincompoop. He, OTOH, has no business being in the middle lane (since, obviously, he isn't passing anybody in the right lane).
Keep right except to pass. If you don't like being passed on the right, that's a good way to guarantee it doesn't happen.
Mike
But there's certainly no reason to stay out of the right lane with no entrances nearby. Changing lanes is easy and safe as long as mirrors and signals are used properly.
Except if you are already going let's say 65 in a 55, left of the right lane. If someone is passing you on the right, they have to be going way faster than the speed limit. I understand what you are trying to say though. If you are left, and people are passing you, you obviously belong in the right lane. This is also something that drives me crazy about some HOV lanes. It's so frustrating when you are driving along in the HOV lane, and all of a sudden come upon someone going like 45 or 50 in the lane. Man is that person being inconsiderate, especially because you are stuck, and you can't pass in that lane. What the hell are they doing in the HOV lane?
That is so obnoxious. When people do that, it makes me want to drive even slower, especially if I am already driving over the speed limit.
Which T.A./O.A. Buses have Detroit Diesal Engines, and which ones have Cummins Engines? Including the Re-powered ones...
I know N.J.T. and the I.B.O.A.'s seem's to be more of a fan of the Cummins Type.
I personally alway's liked the Detroit Deisal's.
Did the 'old' Mack Bus Builder's alway's manufacture their OWN ENGINES?
NJT does however has Detriot Diesel engines to in their mci's and in their demo buses
Buses with Detroit Diesel engines:
All NYCT buses EXCEPT 1995 RTS's #9140-9149 and all Orion VII hybrids
Buses with Cummins engines:
1995 NovaBUS RTS-06 #9140-9149
2003-2005 Orion 07.501 HEV #6365-6689
Any erors in this statement, please correct me, anyone on BusTalk is free to comment...
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David
BIG AL
MetroB
MetroB
A very reliable friend of mine advised me that Big Tree will not be closing any time soon. It got a reprieve for about a year and, thus, should still be operating as we speak.
MetroB
Thanx
$121,000 is a great deal of money, but someone who makes that much in the public sector is likely highly regarded enough to be able to make more in the private sector. Therefore, I'd have to say that $121,000 is not excessive for a transit manager (and no, I don't make anywhere near that kind of money).
David
MetroB
David
Peace
David
MetroB
Sucking up? That's the way of the TA. Aside from SLD, nobody that didn't suck up ever got promoted.
Of course it's possible that some NYCT managers got where they are by methods other than hard work and that some of them do not possess basic communication skills. That happens anywhere, public sector or private. I understand the temptation to label all managers as stupid, heartless individuals with nothing better to do than nitpick their employees to death (especially on the operations front, which is somewhat militaristic in the way business is done), and maybe some are that way, but it's unfair to lump us all into that category.
David
How? can you explain?
MetroB
Not unlike my number one job at the TA is CYA, so is everyone elses along and up the food chain.
I'll leave it for others to decide whether a militaristic approach is the correct one, and, if it isn't, what is.
David
SOMEONE please name the supervisory and/or managerial title or titles that should be eliminated or reduced in number of incumbents.
Let's begin with Road Control Superintendents who, instead of ensure the running of surface transportation buses, issue parking violations to the residents of NYC.
In so doing, please explain whether the jobs these people are doing are necessary or not; if not, why not; and if so, who (other than the people currently doing them) should be doing them. For purposes of this exercise, the entire agency can be scrutinized -- operations, maintenance, support, all of it.
Sure. Their job as a Transit Superintendent isn't necessary if they are out doing the work of two other city agencies. While they are away from surface transit operations, surface transit seems to run just fine. Therefore, while they're out feeding the cash cow that is Parking Violations, another unionized TEA or Police Officer isn't necessary. So not only is their job unnecessary, but in performing the duties of the NYPD or NTYCDOT, they make one less lower-level-salaried employees job available.
It is not the job, nor function, nor necessity of the NYCTA to roam the streets of NYC seeking parking violators.
It's easy to sit on the sidelines (or even behind a vehicle's controls) and say that a place is overmanaged, but not so easy to say how.
The place is overmanaged. In many departments, there is 1 manager to every 4 or 5 employees. this is not the epitome of topheavy??
I am contractually alloted 12 accruable sick days annually, yet the TA spends MILLIONS of dollars in policy, agenda and structure to seek, locate and discipline any of us who are apparently away from the call location. The amount the TA brings back as a result of fraudulent sick time in the way of rescinded pay and/or discipline does NOT compensate or equal the amount of money to do so.
We can next move onto Depot AGM's whos sole duty is handling discipline. Some depots have 2 or 3 AGM's, one of which steadfastly and dutifully doles out suspensions. These 3 minute interviews with the offending employee can easily be handled by the other one or two AGM's in the building. With 18 depots, there's a savings of roughly 1.8 million dollars annually. I'm sure it's similar in rapid.
I'm not an outsider looking in, and I'm not observing this from a bus seat. I'm observing this first hand at the locations and see first hand what goes on within the depot. Do you?
It is the job, the function, the necessity of the NYCTA to see to it that bus stops and bus lanes are available for the use of buses. If the NYPD can't keep up, I'm glad somebody else is filling in.
And that's not the issue. The issue is where they can trim the fat. If we employ too many road managers, and must begin to find new ways to justify their existance, while cutting services to the riding public, it defeats our purpose of providing public transportation with minimal waste and maximum service. If we need to justify their existance by performing duties outside the scope of public transportation, then quite simply, we don't need them.
And lastly, it is not the job of the NYCTA to see that bus stops and bus lanes are available for the use of buses. That is the job of the NYCDOT and NYPD.
You know that.
After all, having MTA employees write tickets for the NYPD is a quiet form of state subsidy, no?
Tsk tsk Brooklyn67. You didn't get the memo? We're under Orange alert, so the cops are being given busywork to appease the citizens and Feds alike.
I see. However, this has been going on before September 11 2001. Under which (tongue-in-cheek) memo did this iniative reside at that time? :o
Plus, our beloved NYCDOT now only fills potholes and buys new traffic lights.
It would be nice if they could fix the ones they already have that are so out-of-synch, gazing up the road looks like a christmas tree.
If NYCDOT can't even manage their own bus system, there is NO WAY that they will make life easier for the MTA by doing their jobs.
DOT can manage their own bus system, they just can't afford it :-) They've managed quite well to date, managing to pay their top executives double, triple and in some cases, quadrouple the commensurate salaries for paralell positions within the MTA.
Bravo!
This is how large ferries carrying thousands of people slam into concrete piers.
Ouch..
We make people LOOK busy, but in reality, nothing productive is getting done.
We? ;-)
I think Mr_T will have some words with you for that statement!... LOL
After all, having MTA employees write tickets for the NYPD is a quiet form of state subsidy, no?
And this is where the humor ends. It is exactly a form of subsidy, but it is being performed by an agency that is responsible for it's own agenda. That which does not include citing the citizens of NYC for parking at expired meters, in front of hydrants, in bus stops and beyond.
The point is, if their services must be justified by having them perform duties outside the scope of the MTA, their services are not necessary, hence waste taxpayer money keeping them in title and salary.
All while bus service runs quite well without their services, while on the payroll, citing various parking infractions citywide.
MetroB
I have no problem whatsoever with Superintendents (or managers) writing tickets. The intent is that they write the tickets for bus stop violations (since the vehicle involved in the violation represents a potential danger to NYCT Bus Operators, equipment, and/or customers), but anyone who is authorized to write a parking ticket is authorized to write one for ANY parking infraction in the City of New York, having to do with bus service or otherwise, so there's nothing really wrong with them writing tickets for other violations.
Frankly, I'd like to see Dispatchers authorized to issue tickets, but the logic may be that they're too busy monitoring service to write tickets (the fixed post ones, anyway).
As for the rest of what "Brooklyn67" said, it all sounds like food for thought to me. Sick leave policy is another example of the militaristic approach I was talking about. The most recent TWU contract relaxed the sick leave policy somewhat, concentrating on chronic abusers instead of on everybody. As for discipline, I think "Brooklyn67" will agree that the depot Union representative on the Transportation side spends a great deal of time defending the same few Bus Operators over and over again (I've been told this by a Union representative on the Transportation side), which means that the Management side spends at least the same amount of time going after those same people. Chances are good that the Maintenance side isn't very different. In private industry, these people might not have been hired at all, let alone permitted to keep their jobs.
David
David
I guess the bottom line is that in any title (managerial or otherwise) there will be good eggs and bad eggs. Whether entire titles should be eliminated or combined is not something for me to decide, but what was said is certainly food for thought and I'm glad it was said. There are no hard feelings here -- keep up the good work!
David
Of course, *where* and *what* you manage may be the key. Also key is that you haven't been corrupted by the methodology/mentality of the TA, or you choose otherwise.
I've only come across a very select few that I'd call "gentlemen" above/outside the title of SLD. Howard Ende (GM), Richard Cavalerie (SUPT), Richard Salas (SUPT, Ret.), Bruce Streger (System Safety). I'm sure there are a few others- a handfull or more at best. I'm also sure that there would be some who disagree with me on my selections. Yet, as someone who's neither intimidated by them nor the easiest person in the world to get along with based on my being a union member while they're in management (opposite sides of the fence and all), I've never had a problem with any of them, even while fighting for what I believe to be correct (in whatever instance the situation presented).
Are they friends? Of course not. The difference is, they understand that we're people and treat us (me, specifically) with the respect their title commands from subordinates.
At least, they did/do where I'm personally concerned.
I'm beginning to see you in that light. Even moreso because you're here furnishing information that might not otherwise be available to the general public- within the realm and scope of TA policy.
So... maybe not ALL TA managers are rotten miserable SOB's, but a damn good majority of them are. At least at the service level anyway.
I came up through the ranks, though on the administrative (not operating) end. Fortunately, the people I'm working for now are decent folks who know the job and care about the product that hits the street. They also care about the people who work for them.
(OK, I said it...may I have my merit raise now? < g >)
When Alan Kiepper took over NYCT in 1990, the first thing he did was hire McKinsey & Co. to come in, look at the entire management structure, and recommend changes. Some of the recommendations were implemented, others weren't (unforunately, I don't think I have a copy of the report, so I don't have the specifics handy). Much as consultants are maligned as people who use your watch to tell you what time it is, a set of fresh eyes every once in a while may not be the worst thing in the world.
David
MetroB
:-P
Yes. I had an SLD who thought he could intimidate me. Until I sent a 4 page letter about his actions to his superiors, here and downtown. The next day he was in the office with his union rep, the GM, AGM, my union rep and L/R. The next day he was sweet as pie.
I am not one who is intimidated by management. I do my job, and do it quite well, thank you. I've got the "Atta Boys", "Good Boys" and "Watta Boys" to prove it. Gimme my bus everyday, my check every other Thursday, and leave me the hell alone.
:-)
But he did board the bus, and in full view of passengers proceed to threaten and harass me, whilst leaning over my bar.
I have no problem with being instructed. That's one of the many jobs of the SLD. But when that instruction is unfounded, and in blatant violation of my contract, neither lack of a tape recorder nor union rep willing to interviene will stop me from using my own resources and contacting the proper personnel outside the depot.
Unfortunately, there's problems at most public systems these days. Many in the upper tier of administration have little knowledge of the product (transit service) they are supposed to be managing since transit went into the public sector.
I can't speak for NYC but I am familiar with the situation where I'm at. It's not so much as you described it in your post here but we have an upper management team that has quite literally isolated itself from the transit product. They refuse to understand that you need decent employee relations as well as providing good service that takes people where they want to go if you want people to ride.
We have had promotion after promotion to bring back the riders to the buses backfire and administration just sits there scratching their head wondering why it didn't work. It didn't work because the service we have is outdated, isn't convenient in this day and age with the older routings, many drivers are there just for the paycheck (because the employee relations are so poor) and treat the riders poorly and no amount of promotion is going to lure riders back into that situation.
Many of the people that run systems today just don't have a clue and have no idea on how to use simple common sense. They have their "degree" from some university but are totally incapable of understanding all the problems transit systems face unless it's in a textbook and there rarely is a textbook solution in the real world.
MetroB
MetroB
Are we that inept and incapable? Are we that horrible a workforce that move millions of people safely through some of the toughest neighborhoods, toughest traffic with some of the most subpar equipment one could imagine to warrant the disciplining of over half the entire membership of 3 local unions? Or could it be that NYCT uses discipline as a form of expendature makeup?
When one of my brothers or sisters are written up for wearing a jacket while inside the depot, off the clock, not nearly close to in-service activity, or when one of us is disciplined for having a tie too loosely affixed, or a button on a lapel, something's terribly wrong. Especially when these same idiots run as fast as they can in the opposite direction whenever a problem pertaining to public transportation presents itself.
When I violate the contract, I face suspension and/or fine. When they violate the contract, and they do, it's a paper race to the arbitrator. They lose nothing.
Like Mr. Mabstoa, and in agreement with just about everything he says, I truly abhor the NYCTA, and if it were possible to make the same money elsewhere, I'd do it in a heartbeat.
Most of us feel this way. Why? because working for the TA is akin to enlisting in the service. At least, that's how we're treated by management. Which is why Local 100 took a "strike authorization vote" and not an actual "strike vote". They KNEW we would vote to walk, and took that voice away from us by placing that actual strike vote into the hands of the executive board rather than the general membership at-large.
Had they known what a "Strike Authorization Vote" actually was, it would have been voted down in favor of an actual membership strike vote. And to all who say "they'd fire you", I say good riddance.. and hire 40,000 new employees to move your system. I had my bags packed..
MetroB
MetroB
$121,000 is a good salary to retain someone who knows what they are doing. It's too bad that stuffed shirts are filling the position. Maybe you guys can set up an IBOA and save the taxpayers some money:0
MetroB
MetroB
Balance that against some private-sector companies where $121,000 is barely an entry-level salary.
Jim D.
Sometimes the 317 gets busy because of riders between Camden and Mt. Holly, often this bus gets the overflow from the 413. Also on weekday evenings, there is a 2 hour gap between 7:30 and 9:30 on the 413, and the 317 that passes through the Mt. Holly/Moorestown area [around 8:30] pick up a lot of riders between Mt.Holly and Camden.
Many of these old country routes are long established, and people that live in those areas depend on these runs. The light ridership can be quite deceiving. The 10 to 15 passengers per bus per run is quite good for lines with these infrequent headays.
MetroB
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JG Depot logo kicks ass too. :-)
And yes, the JG patch is the best. 2nd would be GH's, and 3rd would be FP's.
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-Adam
(enynova5205@aol.com)
AcelaExpress2005 - R160
And Carolina Department of Public Works runs 3 Routes that Loop around certain parts of Carolina and I only know all 3 routes run every 1/2 an hour and all 3 routes meet at the bus stop by the department of Social Security(Where people pick up their food stamps and stuff like that). The buses that are used are 30 Foot Trolly Buses but I have not taken a pic of them. The buses run from M-F 6 AM to 6 PM ONLY. No weekend service :(
Monkmonk438@hotmail.com
There's no direct plane to Mayaguez you have to change at San Juan. The plane they use for the San Juan-Mayaguez Route is the smaller planes and sometimes the bigger planes(Like the Boeing 767 ETC) may be use depending on how many people useing the San Juan-Mayaguez Route on a certain trip.
Also, do you know what other airlines fly to Mayaguez, if any. I know PanAm or some PanAm branch flies to Aguadilla, anything else there either that you know of?
B1-#9177-NOVABUS
Several local airlines operate services within Puerto Rico, including American Eagle, Flamenco and Vieques Air Link, and they have offices either at the Luis Muñoz Marín International Airport, or the Isla Grande airport. There are 4 daily American Eagle flights between San Juan and Ponce. Flamenco Airways flies to Culebra and St Thomas from Fajardo and San Juan. Some charter or inter-island flights leave from the Isla Grande airport
I need info on either Mayaguez or BQN(Aguadilla). So far, all I've found is American Eagle to Mayaguez, and Continental and Northwest to Aguadilla(continental isn't a bad deal though, direct from Newark to Aguadilla for about $170, but I'm not too comfortable with landing at an airport with no tower).
I got American Airlines to Mayaguez but I am going to put down the times that connect with the planes to Mayaguez(You do not need to leave the terminal and go through security and it would be one of the next 4 gates from the plane from JFK). I will E-Mail you the schedule in a Text Format (Like Microsoft Word).
Da Hui
Da Hui
Da Hui
Da Hui
Peace,
Kevin
Da Hui
MetroB
Da Hui
-Adam
(enynova5205@aol.com)
MetroB
here is the list of what is going and coming.
yukon is getting -6266-6326
yukon is giving cast 1949-1989
also, 4742 is about to be scrapped.
the moving has started of the buses, and 6290, and 6326 are already at yukon. i know this for a fact, since i brought back 6326 and had 6290 earlier today. so no, no more rts's at yukon other then what is there. sorry to burst everyones bubble.
What about 4893-4897 RTS buses & the 1990 RTS buses, are there still at Yukon Depot or have they been transferred to abother depot.
#8689 - B6
#8692 - B6 -LTD _ First Time Sight
Da Hui
Is Qv ever getting those buses back?
-Adam
(enynova5205@aol.com)
I still remember 624 when, and if, I got that bus on the Q30.
http://www.busexplorer.com/PHP/MidPage.php?id=2440
When I first clicked on the link and saw the pictures, at first glance it reminded me slightly of the Japanese version of the fishbowl that ran up in Canada in the 60's. Mitsubishi-Fuso's were the make and Winnepeg had a batch of those things.
And Look, a double decker version also!
http://busexplorer.com/PHP/MidPage.php?id=1879
Take a good look at the front and rear end. Strange, eh?
http://busexplorer.com/PHP/MidPage.php?id=10
Strange, eh?
I remember seeing, in 1975, a postcard from Mexico City, and a bus was in the scene. Looked very much like an RTS but with a school bus rear end!!! The front end was basically a dead ringer for the Daewoo that is in aznboy4305's link!!
9:30AM 7A from Pentagon to Landmark Mall
10:32AM 29N from Landmark Mall to Fairfax Circle
11:15-11:30AM-Fairfax City CUE bus. (This is where things can go any way. We can take the Green 1 to Vienna and take the Gold Route around or vice versa. But in any event, we'd still be able to fit in a few hours of riding the CUE system)
2PM take 1C from Lee Highway and Chain Bridge Road to Fair Oaks Mall
2:17PM Take Fairfax Connector 605 to Reston Town Center
3:00 PM Take two out of the 4 RIBS buses. They all leave at the same time, so we'll take one, come back and take the second one.
5:05 or 5:35PM Take Fairfax Connector 505 back to West Falls Church
6:15PM 28B to King Street
Arrive at King Street and ride DASH About.
There is plenty of time built in to this schedule for lunch breaks/restrooms, etc. We have a solid three hours after arriving at Fairfax Circle to ride the CUE buses, eat, etc.
B1-#8685-TMC
B68-#7567-Orion VII
B68-#597-Orion V CNG
-Adam
(enynova5205@aol.com)
Since nothing has been submitted to the MTA Board at the December TA Committee meeting does any one know about this.
Any changes have to be submitted for Committee approval or reference
Thank You
Ray
RESPECT THE BUSES OF NEW YORK CITY!!!!!!
Ray
RESPECT THE BUSES OF NEW YORK CITY!!!!!!
MetroB
I am thoroughly convinced that everyone on the highways I was driving on last night made the same New Year's resolution: "Drive faster than I did last year." Traffic moved significantly faster last night than it did on December 27 when I drove to Upstate New York and and on December 31 when I drove to Southbury, CT. Traffic last night was heavier than on the other two days in question, meaning people should have slowed down. Did they? Of course not. Has the Autobahn been expanded into the United States? Wait a moment. We can't associate ourselves with our German allies anymore since they didn't want to bomb the hell out of Iraq, but that's another story.
The reason I bring this up on this forum is because most of the people who post here drive, either professionally, out of necessity for daily living, or both. It is unsafe and creates problems which plauge our roads and highways. To make matters worse, I saw two bus drivers yesterday driving in what I consider to be an unprofessional fashion. Sure, you have passengers to get to a place on a schedule, but what about safety? You can't flash your highbeams in the rearview mirror of the minivan in front of you and pass cars going above the speed limit at an even higher speed on the right. It simply isn't necessary or a good thing to do.
Before anyone questions how far over the speed limit I was, I was in excess of 5 MPH most of the trip yesterday and last week and in excess of as much as 20 MPH at times. I was passed on the right by two buses when I was going about 65 MPH in a 55 MPH zone and the other cars were going about as fast as I was. Also, on the 27th, a car going about 80 MPH passed me on the Garden State. I was doing about 65, which was the speed limit where I was (near Montvale Service area). I also got tailgated while going on a sharp curve above the reccomended speed as I was coming off the Deleware Memorial Bridge. Someone really cares about their safety. I guess this person didn't realize a minivan with a Thule rack is somewhat top heavy.
Many people complain about driving, traffic, and commuting. Why don't we all resolve to make our roads a better place for everyone? Resolve to let at least one car a day merge in front of you. Resolve to drive at about the same speed as the other cars. Resolve not to tailgate. For those of you who do not get the Washington Post, I encourage you to read Dr. Gridlock's column on www.washingtonpost.com. The link will direct you to his page on the washingtonpost.com site. His column runs every Sunday and Thursday and you can read columns from the past two weeks online. I also invite people to comment on this post.
Thanks for reading and have a happy new year!
So i'm traveling eastbound, and i'm in a line of cars passing this one truck, but not by much. This wannabe racecars goes to the right, "around" a landscaping truck(by around I mean he decided to get into his lane before he was passed him thereby making the truck brake onto the shoulder). Now of course, as always, this creap is behind me. You know what he does? He goes in the middle, like he's going to squeeze on the line between my car or the truck. Natuarally I let my foot off the gas and see what the little you know what does. I was hopeing for a fast and furious manuever under the truck but nothing.
Enough of my story of the day. But, yea,I haven't seen things go this smoothy in maybe, ever on the highway.
Also, 80 on the GSP is normal.
75+ on the NJT is normal too.
I seen greyhound buses go 70-80.
Furthermore, many states are asking to INCREASE speed limits hoping this will help reduce traffic jams. They often state speed doesn't kill when the numbers prove just the opposite. The traffic jams are a result of too many cars on the road and increasing the speed limit will only see more accidents.
And dont' get me started on the morons who do 40 in the 55 on reg roads. There's this one area where they go about 60 in the 45, but they just can't muster to go faster than 40 on the 55 roads, makes me insane.
Any information would be greatly appreciated and NO NONSENSE POSTS PLEASE!!!
I'm sure he's going to reply to this topic with a question about the Yukon Depot in Staten Island.
Oh yeah...PANTY HOSE. There..now it's a No Nonsense post. :)
-F.
By the way, how would Washington's horse be in the third scheme if the Department of Transportation had yet to be created? Metro would have had funding issues larger than the ones it has today.
I am one of the shortest route in a particular borough. I was once in the top 5 of the pokiest bus routes. I biker actually beat me in a race!!! I run through the streets of New Brighton. I have a second branch during rush hours. Which bus route am I?
I am one of the longest route in a particular borough. I have these two piece buses and a few of those round ones as well. I run to that heart of Harlem. Which bus route am I?
I used to have comfortable seats but no place for the standing passengers. I used to run out of Yukon. Then the evil MTA transfered me into a hard seat bus. What have they done?? I am one of those square buses. Which bus am I???
Answers at 10:45, tonight.
I think the first one is the B1 but I really don't know.
No clue on the third.
Suggestion: Give more time before giving the answers. Many people won't see the thread before you post the answers. I generally do 24-48 hours before posting answers.
"I am one of the longest route in a particular borough. I have these two piece buses and a few of those round ones as well. I run to that heart of Harlem. Which bus route am I?"
M101
"I used to have comfortable seats but no place for the standing passengers. I used to run out of Yukon. Then the evil MTA transfered me into a hard seat bus. What have they done?? I am one of those square buses. Which bus am I???"
1993 O5 Suburban 156
For those that don't know
O5=OrionV
-Adam
(enynova5205@aol.com)
I used to have comfortable seats but no place for the standing passengers. I used to run out of QV. I then got transfered into a hard seat bus. I am often found on the Q20A and Q32. I am one of those square buses. Which bus am I???
-Should make things a little easier.
#2 is M15.
#3 Don't know.
1)S42
2)M15
3)Orion V (ex-suburban) #146
-Adam
(enynova5205@aol.com)
AcelaExpress2005 - R160
For extra credit, why is this bus as it is?
-Adam
(enynova5205@aol.com)
David
-Adam
(enynova5205@aol.com)
http://www.busstation.net/screen/screen.htm
The webmaster is always looking for additions, corrections and updates.
Da Hui
BIG AL
In his next act, a week from now, he'll post "Big Al Leaves The Pond". Stay tuned for details.
BIG AL
Good luck wherever you go. I'm sure I can guess as to the reasons you're leaving and not returning, but that's best left off the boards. Especially when you use your real name here.
Which in itself is a shame. You could add a wide variety of insult to the already injured that lies below in the "TA Management Bashing" thread :-)
I may be in Brooklyn this week visiting family. I'll try and stop by and see you on the road.
What are you hours @ 86th and Stillwell Ave. I might try to stop by on my way to work if I have time to.
Robert
AcelaExpress2005 - R160
Can you post on what changes will take effect this day on both the X17 & X22 routes.
The number escapes me at the moment, but I'm certain it was in the 472x range.
Ray
I can't wait to see your answers. Have fun with this one!
-Fred
-F.
-F.
-Fred
Channel 7 had something on their 6 o'clock news last night about service. The people on the streets, their funny to listen to. Pretty dumb, but that's what the media looks for in order to slam a system. One person said they have to keep directing the drivers because they don't know their route. Of course I say this just days after we boarded a B30 at BWI and he had to ask the passengers in the front how to get out of the airport. But, other than that, I don't recall seeing passengers directing drivers around.
Other than some good old skool buses, WMATA is nothing to write home about.
So all of the Metro Ds and Es are in the third scheme? What a shame. They looked SO good in the original colors, especially the Es. Oh well....hopefully they won't paint any more of them.
-F.
I doubt you can spend 15 minutes in Silver Spring and not see one.
-F.
-Fred
-F.
Is Texas Hots still in business, and if so, is the bus still used?
Inquiring minds want to know!
-Fred
Buses #8778-8806 are at West Farms, as well as #9226-9228.
Buses #6054-6090 are at Mother Clara Hale, and the 6110s to Gun Hill.
The 8000s that WF had are either in storage or at other garages such as ENY or at KB for storage.
The Orion VIIs are being taken out of service due to computer problems and such, and the delivery has been halted temporarily, and the problem is being worked on...
Also note that many of the artics at WF are being taken OOS for problems and defects.
This comes from a credible source.
Any corrections, errors, and comments welcome.
Incognito
The West Farms Kid
-Adam
(enynova5205@aol.com)
Da Hui
Da Hui
-Adam
(enynova5205@aol.com)
Da Hui
And what the hell is 6054-6090 doing at MCH!?!?!?You cant possibly be telling me that those are the extras for the M2!Ohhh man this is getting crazy!And same thing goes with the 6110's at GH?THEY DONT NEED BUSES!THEY'LL ONLY FUCK EM UP LIKE YUKON DOES TO THIERS!
Da Hui
-Adam
(enynova5205@aol.com)
My Apology
Incognito
I betcha the 1070-1109 group had problems while at KB that many of us don't know about or don't remember...it might not be the Farms' fault...
5510-5530 were at 126th the first time they came in, but who knew the buses had defects left and right originally, and then were fixed later on? Why do you think the first 50 buses didn't come in as fast as the rest of this order?
As for the Orion VIIs, I am guessing that Gleason is having the same problems as well with their fleet as both Gleason and the Farms are getting road calls with these buses, they are just dropping like flies! I only saw one Orion VII today, and a few others in service elsewhere in WF teritory....
Incognito
The West Farms Kid
AcelaExpress2005 - R160
Da Hui
-Adam
(enynova5205@aol.com)
MetroB
AcelaExpress2005 - R160
-Adam
(enynova5205@aol.com)
Incognito
The West Farms Kid
-Adam
(enynova5205@aol.com)
Any corrections, errors, comments, please feel free to post...
Incognito
The West Farms Kid
Peace,
Kevin
Incognito
Peace,
Kevin
You never care about the Bronx changes...you never care about the Bronx, yet you always complain about our buses...
Incognito
The West Farms Kid
Can you believe it's 2004 already!!!
AcelaExpress2005 - R160
AcelaExpress2005 - R160
MetroB
Incognito
By the way, GUN HILL!! I GUN HILL!! They took CS' orions, now WF's Orions!!! With all their artics, they don't need anymore buses. The artics may be crap, but that's what they deserve!
Bx31 7675,9123,1076
Bx16 EX WF 6117
Other people DO. I've said so before and I'll say it again now. PLEASE -- anyone who curses on the board, please stop. It adds absolutely nothing to the conversation and makes the writer look juvenile, no matter what his or her age may be.
David
AcelaExpress2005 - R160
Da Hui
AcelaExpress2005 - R160
-Adam
(enynova5205@aol.com)
MetroB
Da Hui
BIG AL
Da Hui
Peace
David
It really is sad to go there and see the mall so empty on a Saturday. The Saturday before Christmas was the busiest that I've seen it in awhile and it wasn't that mobbed. The parking lot was a disaster with buses taking up to an hour to get in and out of there. The 25B was useless that day. The one that I took from Ballston arrived to Landmark around 4 and normally would just go to Van Dorn Metro and arrive back at 4:25 didn't get back to Ballston until 7:15. I had taken an alternative way home that night and my 10B pulled in the same time as that guy.
The old food court wasn't all that bad. Not sure what the mall management is thinking. The first floor by Sears is so weird looking with all those shadow boxes advertising the new food court, which isn't much more than a Burger King and Subway right now.
These old time malls such as Landover and Landmark just can't compete anymore. They are in areas that maybe once were populated by those that didn't have cars or had older people that shopped there. But with everyone having multiple cars, bigger and better malls not so far away and Potomac and Arundel Mills not so far away, its siphoning away any potention customers.
NYCT?
SEPTA?
NJT?
WMATA?
LACMTA?
You can include ALL transit vehicles, past and present.
SEPTA: currently #7255--'01 Neoplan AN460 (former highest was #8825(?), a 1980s Neoplan AN440A-DK)
NJT: currently #9601--'03 Neoplan AN455
WMATA: currently #9835--'93 Flx Metr-D
LACMTA: currently #7999--'03 NABI 40C-LFW Compobus
MBTA: currently #8999--'89 TMC RTS-06
Incognito
The West Farms Kid
Highest WMATA Rail car is to be 5191 following the delivery of the CAFs but I don't know what the higest numbered car on the property or in servce is. With the arrival of the 6000s, the highest numbered car should be 6061 provided no options are taken. The lowest is 1000. But no rail car has these numbers: 1300 through 1999, 2100 through 2999, 3290 through 3999, and 4100 through 4999.
Somewhere in the archives is a thread that explains how WMATA numbered its buses since the consolidation in 1973.
Command:#4978-TMCRTS(ex MTA NYC Bus #8398)
Green:#5550-Orion V(one of the WMATA "rejects")
Triboro: #3072-Orion V CNG
Jamaica:#3854-TMCRTS
Queens Surface:#580-Orion V CNG
LIBUS: #394-Orion V CNG(More to come)
Miami-Dade Transit: 9993 (1999 NABI 40-LFW)
(This might possibly be one of the highest 4-digit numbers
assigned to a transit vehicle in the US)
Broward County Transit: 9935 (1999 Gillig Advantage)
BTW, since you mentioned past and present, a few from LACMTA:
The highest numbered bus ever OWNED and OPERATED by MTA (and
predecessor SCRTD): 9921 (the last of 20 1981 Neoplan doubledeckers
which operated 1981-1985.
The highest numbered bus ever OPERATED but not OWNED by MTA:
9944 (the last of 5 MC-9 coaches leased by MTA in early 1994
for use on a special express route in the aftermath of the
Northridge earthquake (the 646 for those of you in the L. A.
area) I actually rode one of these, just me, the driver and
one other person.
Green Bus Lines had (and may still have) an RTS numbered 10001.
The highest recent fleet number at QSC was MCI Classic 954, but I'm reasonably sure that Queens Transit had fishbowls with higher numbers in the 9xx series.
Ray
RESPECT THE BUSES OF NEW YORK CITY!!!!!!
Maspeth depot is currently on hold due to a dispute involving land around the proposed site. Conrail or some railroad company claims to own part of the land and if they win in court---no Maspeth depot!
Not all the 1993 TMC's have raised side destination signs. I caught 8555 the other day still sporting a lower side destination sign.
Some 1990 TMC's are in fact still getting repowered and repainted. 1 8000 in FP just came in with both. Sorry, but I forgot the number.
I'll be working at 86th st and Stillwell ave from 11am - 7pm Saturday and Sunday starting tomorrow 1/4. See you out there!
BIG AL
Callowhill: 10 (tentative, upon completion of Light Rail restorarion to Girard Avenue), 15, 21, 30, 31, 38, 40, 42, 43, 44, 46, 52, 64, 65, 121 (recently lost Route G)
Frontier: 91, 92, 93, 94, 95, 96, 97, 98, 99, 118, 124/125, 127, 128, 129, 120, 131, 133, 201, 204, 206 (Regional Rail connection routes), 304, 310, 311 (the Breezes), Cornwells Heights Shuttle, WHIRL
Victory: 100 (NHSL facility adjacent to depot), 101, 102 (in 69th Street Shops), 103, 104, 105, 106, 107, 108, 109, 110, 111, 112, 113, 114, 115, 116, 117/119, 118, 120, 122, 123, 124/125
Southern: C, G, 2, 7, 12, 17, 23, 29, 37, 47m/47, 57, 64, 68, 79, 108
Frankford: J, K, R, 1, 3, 5, 8, 18, 25, 26, 28, 59, 66, 70, 73, 75, 89
Comly: 1, 14, 19, 20, 24, 58, 67, 84, 88
Allegheny: 9, 27, 33, 48, 54 (unsure of this, but they've been using 60-foot articulated Neoplans on this sporadically), 60, 65
Midvale: Only SURE of the following: 2, 6, 18, 22, 23, 32, 35, 39, 47m/47, 53, 55, 56, 57, 61, 77, 80, 89
I'm not really sure WHO actually has the 25 and 28, nor if the 33 and 54 are the sole property of Allegheny, or split with Midvale. Also only semi-sure on Comly's routes; lastI recall, they split the 1 with Frankford, who split the R and 89 with Midvale... can anyone help?
The 25 is out of Frankford.
The 33 is Allegheney - 100% artic
The 54 is split between Allegheney and Midvale
The 89 is Midvale - this line uses Eldorados [most of the time]
The 28 issplit between Midvale and Comly.
Allegheny: 6, 9, 27, 33, 48, 54*, 60, 65*
Callowhill: 15, 21, 30, 31, 38, 40, 42, 43, 44, 46, 52, 65, 121 (64 also went to Southern with the G)
Comly: 1*, 14, 19*, 20, 24, 28, 58, 67*, 70, 84, 88*
Frankford: 1*, 3, 5*, 8, 19*, 25, 59, 66, 67*, 73, 75, 88*, J, K, R
Midvale: 2*, 18, 22, 23*, 26, 32, 35, 39, 47*, 53, 54*, 55, 56, 57*, 61, 77, 80, 89, C*, H, L, XH
Southern: 2*, 5*, 7, 12, 17, 23*, 29, 37, 47*, 47m, 57*, 64, 68, 79, 108*, C*, G
Victory (Red Arrow): 100-120, 122, 123, 124/125*, 305
Frontier: 91-99, 124/125*, 127-131, 133, 201, 206, 304
* Split depot operation; 108 split between Red Arrow and Southern
CONTRACT OPERATIONS:
Trenton-Philadelphia Coach (stored and assigned to Germantown Depot): 310, 311, 316 (Lucy), Cornwells Heights
Keystone Quality Transport (Media): 314
Krapf's (West Chester): 204, 207 (Whirl)
It's possible that there could be changes in February when the new schedules take effect, but it's not likely. Most major depot changes - if there are any - take place in June or September.
Oh... the guesses come partly because of a 1993 City Division RTS II destination sign manual I happen to have. I noticed, RTS II buses NEVER used any signs for routes exclusive to Southern, Frankford, or Comly because those districts never used them. However, the manual DOES include the 25, so I figured it to be half Midvale property, formerly that of Luzerne. And... the 5 is still split? I thought Southern cut that route from its jurisdiction after the Great Route Reorganizing (1990s, when the 47 moved to 7th Street, the 57 took over the 50 and the South Phiadelphia porion of the 5, and the 89 took over the P and the old 57 crosstown segment)
Midvale: 2*, 18, 22, 23*, 26...
Hm? When did THIS happen? It makes sense, what with the 18 and 26 running roughly the same route along Olney Avenue... did Frankford trade the 26 to Midvale for the 25? I recall seeing the 26 on a Frankford transfer once.
(64 also went to Southern with the G)
WHAT??? When did the 64 go? I talked to an operator about the splits, and he mentioned the G going all Southern to make room in Callowhill for the 10 trolley's equipment (mind you, with only the PCC's for the 15, they could have kept the G, so he says)... but the 64 was still split Callowhill/Southern... and that discussion was on December 29th, 2003.
A few things about the splits confuse me...
12: Why not half Callowhill?
7: I'm surprised that Allegheny/Luzerne/Midvale NEVER had half of this route; it runs in their territory.
65: Why half Allegheny, when it never used artics before? Given the discontinued Broad & Erie segment, it seems more like it'd be half Luzerne/Midvale...
54: Why split it? I've seen artics at Midvale several times, I assume they have bays for them, and the 54 doesn't use them ALL the time.
5: Why's it still split?
18: This was also once on a Frankford transfer... did they just swap everything around when the Neoplan artics started arriving? I figured Midvale would handle the artics it uses (though, with the amount Route 18 uses, it should likely be Allegheny), and Frankford would handle the 40-foot equipment.
25: Not half Southern? Even with the Pier 70 extension? Strange...
But, despite my questions, I appreciate the information you compiled.
Thanks!
7- Originally half Southern and Half Allgheney. In 1980 it was briefly all Allegheney [using RTS's] then went all-Southern.
65- Originally half-Luzerne, half-Callowhill. In the 70's the Luzerne half was transferred to Germantown since Germantown was closer[10 blocks from the depot at Westview st to the start at Chelten Ave], when Germantown was closed as an active bus depot, their portion went to Allegheney.
54-this route was all over the place. Originally it was all Allegheney, then all Luzerne/Midvale, then split between Allegheney and Frankford, then all Frankford, and now split between Allegheney and Midvale.
5- I do not know. The original Frankford-Southern split made sense. Then in the early 80's, Frankford's portion went to Comly, and went back to Frankford in the 90's. After the re-organization, there should be no need for Southern to run any part of this line.
18- this route was split between Frankford and Germantown [back in the day when it was the S bus]. Germantown's portion went to Luzerne/Midvale in '92, and stayed until recently when artics was introduced on this route.
25-until they tacked on all of the extensions, this was a Luzerne route because Luzerne had most of the small buses needed to run the route.[Back in the day you saw mostly 1200 series GM and Flxes on the line. Later the 4400 RTS's ran the line along with the 1300 Neoplans]
Before Allegheny became all-artic in 1999-2000, the 54 was moved to Midvale. Shortly thereafter, the 54 was split between Midvale and Frankford. Once the FTC/Frankford Depot construction began, Frankford's portion of the 54 went back to Midvale. It wasn't until last year that Allegheny picked up parts of the 54 again, sharing with Midvale.
What of the 26? That's REALLY Midvale's now? No split? No more 18 split either?
And what, out of sheer curiosity, DID Germantown have before it closed? I'm guessing it had half the 23 (the other half Luzerne, since Southern's got an allergy to trolleys...) and maybe the L, H and X (77), aside from its half of Routes E and S (65 and 18, respctively)
Oh, re: 108 split. Made, IIRC, because the portion between Elmwood Avenue and Philadelphia Int'l Airport was originally run by Route U, which was all-Southern. The portion between Elmwood Avenue and 69th Street Terminal was all-Victory. And now, thanks to the CTD/STD split of Route 108, it's a complete mess (Victory's trips are usually early, Southern's usually late... been getting a BIT better, though)
Then in the 80's Germantown had the following routes 4, 18, 22, 55, 65, H/XH, L, X. That line up remained until the depot was closed in 1992. The 4 was abandoned [replaced by the 201], the 18 was split between Luzerne and Frankford until the artics arrived, and the portion of the 65 went to Allegheny.
Then in the 80's Germantown had the following routes 4, 18, 22, 55, 65, H/XH, L, X. That line up remained until the depot was closed in 1992. The 4 was abandoned [replaced by the 201], the 18 was split between Luzerne/Midvale and Frankford until the artics arrived, and the portion of the 65 went to Allegheny.
SEPTA's confusing... why didn't Germantown/Luzerne have a piece of the 26 in more recent years?
Also, Volvo artic #7011, in new paint scheme, was spotted parked in Allegeheny today... do they even USE that anymore??? and what became of the ONE 40-foot Volvo they had?
From what I recall, a press release about the artics stated that they'd be ordered to replace and add to the (then) existing Volvo fleet. They'd be first implemented on Routes 9, 27, 48, 60, and introduced on Routes 33 and 65... as the fleet expanded, they were to be used on Routes C, 6, 14, 18, 22, 47, and 55... I don't recall the 54 being in the statement, though I had heard rumors that it'd be getting some artic action as well...
The 20 needs them, but I doubt they could handle the Keswick Road trips, or the route along Mechanicsville Road... I'm pretty sure the 14 would have no problems with them, and that goes for the 47 also...
And... why not add artic bays to Victory, and toss a few on the 104, 109, and 113? Just a FEW, not as many as Allegheny has...
Strange you mention that... a friend of mine used to work from Allegheny, and from what he tells me, the R used to use Volvos from time to time.
Why the "b" option? The 1 ran the same route as the 65 from Wissahickon Transfer Center to 69th Street Terminal until they cut the portion west of 54th & City. Yet, AFAIK, It was never split with Callowhill; 1 was Frankford/Comly. So, why didn't the 1 split between Comly and Callowhill, yet the 65 split between Callowhill and... Luzerne, then Germantown, then Allegheny? Something doesn't add up there. All in all, there's got to be something Callowhill can trade for its half of the G. Making that route all Southern when quite a few trips don't go past 63rd & Lindbergh seems odd.
Note to those not familiar with the 52: The base route is between 49-Woodland and 54-City Av; peak hour trips to Parkside operate via 52 St to Jefferson, then stay on 52 St to Parkside Av en route to the loop.
RE. The G:
Only a handful of G trips end at Lindbergh or Woodland - these are generally school trippers which are still at Callowhill, for now. With the exception of these few trips, every G bus operates to the Food Center at 7-Packer. The issue with the G being entirely assigned to Southern is the fact that Callowhill is right down the street from Overbrook Station and Lankenau Hospital (some G buses serve the hospital; most terminate at Overbrook Station).
Your 52/12 mixing idea is a good one... though THIS intrigues me... I asked a CTD operator to punch in code 253 on a Neoplan (at the time, I didn't know CTD and Suburban Division used separate sets of codes; was hoping for "114 CHESTER - 9-HIGHLAND"). He did, and THIS came up...
"12 PENNS LANDNG"
Something SEPTA just forgot to put to use? My 1991 Neoplan/Volvo sign manual is full of omitted code numbers... some of which are probably for extensions we'll never see (or are seeing now... mind you, there's a significant gap between "40 13th St - SOUTH St" and the first 42 sign... enough perhaps for a Route 41... and note, the sign for "40 Ford Rd - MONUMENT Rd" isn't there... but it's in my 1993 RTS manual... I wonder just what SEPTA's been hiding besides a potential run to Penn's Landing for the 12...
Oh, and again, most of my confusion on the assignments is that routes omitted from/included in the RTS manual are now in districts that'd use/not have them were they still around... The RTS manual does NOT have signs for Routes J, K, 1, 3, 5, 7, 8 Express, 12, 14, 16 (it existed then), 17, 19, 20, 24, 26, 29, 37, 58, 59, 66, 67, 68, 70, 75, 79, 84 or 88, and probably missing some 400 series routes. But, it DOES have Routes 50, 57 (Fern Rock/29th & Jefferson route, AND Fern Rock/Whitman Plaza Route), and 89 (Front & Erie/Tioga & Delaware route, AND Arrott Terminal/29th & Jefferson route)... strange...
David
David
Conversion factor - 3.280833333 feet equals one meter.
So in the future you can do the calculation yourself.
The lengths given typically do not include safety equipment, namely the bumpers which add a bit of length to the vehicle. The bodies are 40, 45 & 60 foot lengths though.
For example, MCI 102DL3 operators would sometimes be hassled at the tollbooths along I-80 in Ohio because there is equipment there that measures the length of the vehicles and they were counting the bumpers in with the length, making them longer than the maximum 45 feet. Mirrors, another piece of safety equipment are also allowed to extend out beyond the 45 foot maximum length.
Mike
Michael
Washington, DC
David
happy now busfan, the ta was so tired of hearing your stupid questions, that got rid of these buses, good job, be proud of yourself.
AcelaExpress2005 - R160
David
Seriously, Busfan is partially right, as the X23 and X24 are named as X-buses (instead of AE1 and AE2, their original names) because they ARE supposed to become part of the MTA system when a new South Shore facility is constructed. Simply put, it's not ready and the lines may be rebid to give the MTA another 2-3 years. The MTA cannot add any additional buses on Staten Island. This was confirmed by a reputable source that currently monitors their operation and this confirmation was made in fall 2002.
I do hope the routes are re-bid this summer. I have a strong preference for the X24, but it is likely that whoever gets one gets both. I believe that a reactivated Showplace Park & Ride facility would allow the service span of both lines to be increased dramatically. I won't be allowed anywhere near Showplace again unless at least one of those lines wears my colors.
Da Hui
Da Hui
Greyhound should look into it b/c it could open up a new passenger market. New routes to the cape, Boston, central Ma, upstate NY, even New Hampshire
So, what does everyone think?
Would there be enough demand (if properly publicized)for this service to be profitable?
After a car is parked on the ferry, all passengers exit the vehicle and go upstairs to a lounge area for the journey. When the boat is approaching the dock, everyone returns to the vehicle and starts it up.
Once on the New London-Orient Point Ferry two tractor trailer trucks were loaded on. They, however were the last ones put on the boat and parked in the middle lanes. When the boat docked on LI, they were one of the first ones off. Assuming the bus would be put there, would the dwell time for the vessel be increased due to the extra time to unload, then load (doing a head count) the bus. Of course more customers at the snack bar in the boat's lounge would be a plus for the ferry company.
The one troubling thought is that while the ferry company would love the extra revenue during slow times, the boats are sold out during holday and summer periods. Therefore, if I wanted to take a boat to a spot, not served by the hound, I might not get on the boat at peak times.
Also how would Bridgeport, Port Jeff, New London and Orient Point react to bigger vehicles plying their roads?
On the bright side, if this would force the PJ-BP ferry company to run later boats (last one leaves CT at 9:30PM) I would be in favor of it. I could go to PJ, have dinner, walk-on the boat, and go to a minor league baseball and hockey games in Bridgeport without having to drive up there.
I don't know. I'm hoping some kind of lower fare deal could be worked out. I wonder what Hampton Jitney pays.
"Would there be enough demand (if properly publicized)for this service to be profitable?"
Well, if buses would be originating in NYC, then I'm pretty sure it would be. As of now, the NYC-Boston buses are full within the 90% area. Having a local Long Island route continuing to Boston would be great, and would probably get a few Suffolk County drivers off the roads.
"After a car is parked on the ferry, all passengers exit the vehicle and go upstairs to a lounge area for the journey."
Passengers on Greyhound would definately appreciate this chance to get out and stretch their legs. It's like the buses to Boston that now stop at Roy Rogers in North Haven, except it's a much longer time off the bus. The only time passengers wouldn't appreciate this is in the rain.
"Assuming the bus would be put there, would the dwell time for the vessel be increased due to the extra time to unload, then load (doing a head count) the bus."
I doubt ferry dwell times would be increased, and if it did, it probably wouldn't be more than 2-3 minutes extra. Also, there is no head count on Greyhound at rest stops. They make an announcement, wait 5 minutes, and roll out. Considering it's on the ferry, and you don't have to have to much of an IQ to know that when they say, all passengers on Greyhound bus such and such to Boston(or w/e destination) must now board, that they are supposed to do so.
"if I wanted to take a boat to a spot, not served by the hound, I might not get on the boat at peak times."
First, it is doubtful that you wouldn't find a location more than 25 miles from a Greyhound/Bonanaza or any other bus line stop. However, you are right. It is possible though to schedule buses to limit their use of the ferry at peak hours. If I were in charge of Greyhound, I'd be aiming for buses to Boston from NYC via LI every 2.5 hrs.
"Also how would Bridgeport, Port Jeff, New London and Orient Point react to bigger vehicles plying their roads?"
Bridgeport is already a major Greyhound stop. I believe the buses stop at the ferry terminal/train station, so impact wouldn't be much different if anything. Port Jeff already has trucks goin through, and now Hampton Jitney, so again, they are used to these size vehicles. Same story with Orient Point. Trucks are already using the ferry, and the north fork is served by Sunrise Coach, another bus company.
Currently Greyhound takes 2 hours just to go from NYC to Huntington -- figure it would be 2:45 to go to Port Jeff, throw in :15 to make the ferry connection and then 1:15 to cross the sound and you're in Bridgeport 4 hours and 15 minutes after you leave NYC. On a direct bus, the NYC-Bridgeport trip takes 2 hours. So taking LI and the ferry slow you down by more than 2 hours.
As far as people using the service from Long Island you still have a similar problem. From most of Nassau (and even western Suffolk), the time lost by going east, then taking a slow boat that goes west makes the ferry pretty useless if you're concerned about time.
The service that the Hampton Jitney is running makes a bit more sense, since it has to go west from the Hamptons anyway. I was surprised that they're not using the Orient Point ferry, though. I guess they didn't think they'd have enough ridership staying that far out.
CG
As far as HJ taking the PJ ferry instead of the OP ferry, it may be a matter of time. Once the bus reaches Riverhead, how long does it take to get to PJ rather than Orient Point? This question assumes that the OP route, if implemented, would take North Road rather than Main Road through all the little towns, such as Cutchogue.
Also by going to BP it is easier to head east to I-91 to Boston rather than taking 95 from New London.
I'll check the sunrise schedule later. Really, they have no factor in this, but the north fork really does need more service. Especially on the weekend. In the summer, the 2 car LIRR's are packed beyond capacity, and I bet the buses are pretty full too.
I've been hearing things about MJQ
MetroB
And the Bx7 should be extended
The M100 runs with the M101 south of 161 St and Amsterdam Av,
since the M101 moved to 100 St depot it switched to artics
service is much more frequent even during the weekends, at times I think the M101 gets to much service. The only time the M101 buses are
too crowded are during the rush hours at other times there are plenty of seats. That is why the M100 should only run weekdays. Since so many of the M101 buses run to 96 st or 125 st during the evening there would be no need for more M101 buses. North of
161 st the M100 runs with the M3 to 168 St then the rest of the route
it runs along the Bx7. My next idea is that the Bx7 should be extended
to 161 st and Amsterdam Av and should have a little more service.It would be a easy transfer to the M101.
If this could happen there would be no more M100 service because it
would not be needed.
What do you guys think?
Historical footnote - the M100 was Manhattan's last trolley route, converted to bus in June 1947. The trolley route went from 125th and Third Ave. to 230th and Broadway; for many years the M100 buses had the exact same terminals. Beginning around 1963 the M100 was extended into Riverdale (239th St), going all the way to 261st St. by around 1970. Then the M100 was cut back in recent years to almost its old route.
And if they cant make the switch have the M101 turn on 168 St then
turn on Broadway then down 165 St to Amsterdam Av. It is possible.
Da Hui
1. Organize a trip that YOU want to do.
2. Get a few friends interested in it before you go public.
3. Pick a date a time convient to you & your friends.
4. Give others 2 or 3 weeks notice.
5. Be willing to make some comprises to accomodate everyone.
Now, you & your friends are going to have an enjoyable trip AND who ever else shows up will become your new friends. That has always been the icing on the cake for me. I'm thinking of a couple of very close friends that I first met in this way.
One of the trips that I never quite pulled off was a SIRT/MCI Cruiser trip. Was going to take the ferry to rail line & half way back going to catch an Express bus back to Manhattan.
January 19, MLK monday, I'll probally get to ride PATH from World Trade Center & see the new HBLR station, but then maybe it will be something different, haven't done #2 yet.
-Adam
(enynova5205@aol.com)
busfan, dont ask me anything
Da Hui
Ray
RESPECT THE BUSES OF NEW YORK CITY!!!!!!
If so.... *thumbs up*
Da Hui
MetroB
Recently, during the heavy rainstorm NYC had, I was observing Stengel's older Orions on Union Street, and I couldn't even see the front sign when I was right next to the bus! Damn those flipdots.
As for the orange LED, I remember when Stengel had 522, which USED to have an orange LED sign, and I had no problem seeing it from a distance, even during the day time.
I'm suprised I made it out of WF today alive and well.I thought I was gonna faint from seeing ex MV buses in WF.It didn't help that I got 8778 for my 2nd half of my run today! >.< Had 9123 first half on the run BTW.
Da Hui
Da Hui
AcelaExpress2005 - R160
B44 Nova Bus #5076
B65 C40LF #858
AcelaExpress2005 - R160
AcelaExpress2005 - R160
Here's the most logical plan of what do with the three North Shore bus lines that run near the railroad for any appreciable portions of their routes:
First, the S40 would need to be eliminated entirely since the tracks run right along Richmond Terrace all the way from the St. George ferry terminal to Richmond Avenue, at which point the tracks gradually draw away from Richmond Terrace.
Next, the S46 would need to be moved off of Walker St. as the tracks are only about a block away from Walker St. west of Morningstar Road; plus riders along Richmond Terrace in Elm Park and Mariners Harbor would need to be compensated for the loss of the S40. The most plausible solution would be to have the S46 turn north off of Castleton Ave. onto Nicholas Ave. (Port Richmond High School is only half a block from this intersection), then proceed to Richmond Terrace, on which the S46 would remain until South Avenue, where it would proceed straight down South Avenue as it does now; on return trips to St. George, the 46 would make the Arlington/Holland Avenue loop currently traversed by the S48.
The S48 would need to be rerouted as well, to pick up the western end of the S40's route; to do this, the S48 would simply run the entire length of Forest Avenue (instead of turning onto South Ave. as it presently does) and then proceed along Goethals Road North (Gulf Avenue on the return trip) to Western Ave. to the Howland Hook area (there was actually a Port Ivory stop on the original North Shore Rail line, which was eliminated several years before the entire line went out of operation in 1953; perhaps the new terminus of the S48 could be located at this station if it is rebuilt; many plans, however, call for the North Shore trains to go out only as far as Arlington, at South Avenue).
The point is that all this has to be well thought out; if not, the restored trains won't catch on with the riding public and the whole idea will fall apart.
Not true my friend. At this depot we get a lot of dollar coins, the golden version was the ticket that has made it work.
Robert
It's no different from when the MTA combined the old #5 with the old #104 (the present S52).
-Adam
(enynova5205@aol.com)
=)
Da Hui
-Adam
(enynova5205@aol.com)
WhyMATA?
Saturday, I also spotted some of the Metro D's being used on No. Va routes at the Pentagon. That is getting to be very rare that you see a D out on the weekends here in VA.
Well since Castleton Depot got 40 MCI buses from Yukon & a few (not sure)MCI from Jamaica & the remaining Orion surburbans from Yukon, which makes about 50 all together, why not send another express bus route to Castleton from Yukon because Castleton Depot gave ip alot of Orion buses (60 buses)to Yukon Depot for it's local routes & Castleton Depot got less buses from Yukon Depot & I just read in article in the SI Advance back in the Summer 2003 that NYCT was planning to buy 25 more MCI buses, if there are plans to buy 25 more MCI buses, these buses can go to Castleton for another express route to come over from Yukon & if the X23 & X24 are taken over by NYCT in the forseeable future, use the current MCI buses that are parked at the Park-n-Ride & use them on both the X23 & X24 routes (which would come out of Yukon Depot).
Why do people think that we lie when we say that there is NO SPACE FOR ADDITIONAL BUSES! All of those buses you see sitting in the Park & Ride could cover MAYBE 3 routes tops during the week. These are not extra buses. These are buses that can't be parked in the depot, on the streets around the deopt, or in the overflow lot on Forest Hill Road. Frankly, I think that one or two more routes should be privatized because I can't imagine how Yukon and Castleton maintain all of those buses.
The X23 and X24 won't go to the MTA without a third depot. As needed as the X22 is, this pretty much absorbed any flexibility Staten Island had for operating buses. The only way new routes can be created is by combining and/or shortening routes to free up equipment.
I would like to see the lower X17 portion become the X21 and start at Richmond Avenue & Arthur Kill Road and run backwards during rush hours only. The X17 would clover this stretch all other times. The X12 could be a candidate for off-peak service too. Other than that, what you see is what we're lucky to have.
2. The article in the SI Advance was wrong. The reporter never bothered to ask anyone in NYCT management whether the rumor about the 25 buses was true, which it wasn't and isn't.
David
www.regionaltransitservice.com
Peace,
ANDEE
Actually the 1982 NYCTA RTS were first group to come with windows that could open. Yes, they also had the dark tint, but the '81 buses were the only group delivered to NYCTA without opening windows.
As noted elsewhere in this thread, no.
Peace,
ANDEE
Peace,
ANDEE
Jim D.
Hey, you could always fire up the chainsaw and saw the left side seats in half.....messy but effective.
Did anybody check out the Q27 and Q83 routes today? How was it. Seeing Orions around Cambria Heights is a weird feeling, huh? LOL! DOes anybody know if the Q31 is at JAMAICA Depot? I notice that "Yukon2159" posted something on BT about Staten Island bus moves (check it out)and he said that MCI D4500 #2850-2852 are at Castleton? I'm thinking that #2853-2859 are going over there and QV takes #2860-2896 for the X63, X64 and X68. I wonder what will QV give up in return? Maybe the NovaBus RTS-06 #9350-9381? Could be!
Ray
RESPECT THE BUSES OF NEW YORK CITY!!!!!!
I also have a Greyhound DL3 billboard, plus some bus models on there as well. As always, the latter can be customized to match your favorite livery. Happy bidding!
-Fred
Whoops...typo. My bad.
-F.
-F.
B1-#4682-TMCRTS
B8-#600-Orion V CNG
The utc bus roster needs to be updated for January 4th with bus moves & bus routes being moved from one depot to another.
AcelaExpress2005 - R160
AcelaExpress2005 - R160
Would YOU like to be the volunteer to actually take the time to change the goddamn roster?
When you do, come back to me and we'll talk...
Incognito
Bx16 5408,5410
Bx31 1108
Or buses that run artics use RTS or orions overnight
If this is true what routes do these happen on?
Lots of power, a nice smooth ride, beautiful handling all around.
One other definite plus on those 4903/4905 series....you had one hell of a lot of baggage room, as ours were all two axle jobs with the third baggage compartment. The two large bins were big enough to live in.
Which is it?
Thanks in advance.
Mike
The kids probably call the Buffalo the "Ghetto Bus" or something similar.
That school must have one hell of a sucessful athletics program or some boosters with some deep pockets to have those motorcoaches. When I was in high school, all the teams used the ordinary yellow school bus I think. I do take a good number of high school sports team charters with my current job though, but they just charter our buses, not OWN them. And they are all bigger schools going on longer trips than what my school did.
Does anyone know how to how to tell the difference between a PD4903 and a PD4905 yet? :)
Mike
Does anyone know if it has been repaired or has it been scrapped ?
It had a PD-4104 look in front and a fishbowl type rear window. Yep, stayed with us on and off for about three hours...southbound.
Still looks gorgeous to me many years later...
Before I could post the picture, ImageStation went down. When it comes back online, the damage will be shown.
-Adam
(enynova5205@aol.com)
-Adam
(enynova5205@aol.com)
BIG AL
-Adam
(enynova5205@aol.com)
-Adam
(enynova5205@aol.com)
Please say a prayer for Tugger, his son Tim, their immediate family and the families he touched here in Philly and in NYC with the Mets.
GOD BLESS YOU TUGGER, AND THANKS. WE WILL MISS YOU.
This seems to drag on and on... then again, no one seems to care anymore.
Eat this Busfan!
And oh my gosh, he actually did start a thread on his own!
-Adam
(enynova5205@aol.com)
AcelaExpress2005 - R160
Let's see how simple I can make this:
Those 330 buses are needed for the routes that JG already has. Moving the B1 to JG would add to the depot's requirements.
There. Please drop the Gleason wish-list.
B5 runs between either Flatbush av or Ralph Av to Coney Island weekdays.
B82 runs between Starret City to Harway Av-Cropsey Av weekdays.
Weekends, all b82 run to either Coney Island or Harway Av.
Institute limited service for the B82 and make the B5 local.
What do u think
B1-#9078-NOVABUS
AcelaExpress2005 - R160
-Adam
(enynova5205@aol.com)
B1-#9325-NOVABUS(with outside graffiti-looked like the buses did in the 70's)
B68-#7593-Orion VII
-Adam
(enynova5205@aol.com)
If I buy a ticket to travel to the mall on Tappan Zeexpress, can I use it on a Cross Rockland Express coach? Or a Orange Westchester Link bus?
On the Cross Rockland Express schedule it is indicated that some buses are OWL buses. Are they the same conpany? Do they cross honor tickets?
Coach USA/ Rockland schedule"
Thanks in advance.
On the Cross Rockland Express schedule it is indicated that some buses are OWL buses. Are they the same conpany? Do they cross honor tickets?]
The Tappan Zee Express, the Cross Rockland Express and OWL are all operated by Short Line/Coach USA. I believe all tickets are honored on all services that are shown on the Tappan Zee Express timetable.
After that, the bus fan market started to grow along with the Internet and businessmen saw the trend. From books, magazine, old/new pictures, to current double-decker model-bus , mugs, stationary, and even old used Voith/ZF Keypad, bus manufacturer's metal plate name, stirring wheel, seats, old electronic/roll destination signs, fareboxes, bus-stop signs/posts, official ads/posters all can be found these days in a bus model shop. For example, they keep on updating the model buses to the newest. What new ads are seen on real buses, they're soon on the model buses. In addition, local bus companies in Hong Kong also started to sell these stuff in their customer service center...
I agree that in North America, since public transportation is still the second priority for people to get around with, people use cars hell more than buses and that got them in love with automobiles more than buses. If there is a demand from bus fans like the NYCT subway fans do, I'm sure more bus items will be found in the NYCT Musuem store. I would also love to see more Gillig stuff available too...lol
Well, the problem is that Cummins, Volvo, and MAN dominated the bus engine market while the transmission market is shared by Voith and ZF in HK. It would be interesting to see an European bus with Detroit Diesels and Allisons. But I think the chances are low...:(
In case you're interested in what the bus companies are selling in their CS center, here is an official link for KMB...
http://www.kmb.com.hk/english.php?page=shop&file=shop.php
The newest bus model that was released this Jan is a Volvo B10TL Chassis and Wright Bus Body. It is the third picture on the first row.
I wish AC Transit and Muni could selling something like that, like Gillig in AC's scheme and Neoplan in Muni's scheme...lol...besides just selling monthly passes and cable car tickets in their CS center. If they can make money out of it, perhaps we don't need to hear anything from them concerning bus service cuts...lol
My next plan is to Europe and see what they have over there. I'm wondering if Neoplan is everywhere in Germany?...
Hehe...a little bit off topic....
Trucks to a point is in the same vein. People could also buy a truck and customize it and talk about it to others. Buses for the most part are to a point entirely owned by transit and over the road coach agencies, so the average Joe or Jane couldn't purchase one. The only other people who could do that are rich and have the ability to buy buses and customize them and regular Joe's like us couldn't do it unless a T/A retires their vehicles and they are bought for around $1000.
Of course if everyone owned a bus there really wouldn't be forums like this and we wouldn't be a select group who truly appreciate these fine-hard working and misunderstood vehicles.
Let's face it; buses keep us out of the pool halls. And ladies, before you roll your eyes about our hobbies, at least we aren't going to strip clubs or drooling over porn sites!
-F.
When you buy a bus, your friends think you are the bee's knees and just can't wait to ride around with you. But try to suggest them to ride one while it is still in service, and most of them will look at you like you just farted in church. Funny how things turn around that way.
-F.
-F.
Get Rail.
Hey MORON..how long do you think "Rail" would last without bus lines to transport passengers to and from the train stations....huh?
Try to look at the big picture...before you make an ass out of yourself again...OK?
"NEW CARROLTON LINE IN 4 MINUTES".
"FOOT IN WDOBNER'S MOUTH...NOW APPROACHING".
-F.
Though, I am disappointed how hard it is to find a proper toy bus out there. You would think there would be a model(even those build yourself kits) of most makes/models of buses, even if the agency is not the paint scheme you want.
I want my neoplan model!
Now that i'm in a quasi-urban area again, i've been reintroduced to bus travel. I even just purchased a pass(last time i bought anything must've been '98). It's a heck of a lot cheaper than gas!!!!
Now, don't get me wrong. I love my car, which has over 119,000 miles, '96 model, had maybe 70-something thousand miles in '01-'02. It's great for food shopping or my famous 1-14 hour straight never stopping joy rides, but the buses do it's job. With millions of road closures daily(witnessed 2 just today), front page news being traffic and construction most sundays, and my militant humanistic views on transportation and city planning, I'm now walking the walk.
Thank you, and will someone please make some little bus models!! Even if it's those do it yourself kits like Revel(that'd be awesome!!).
-Those China friction Fishbowls? I took one and made a 30-footer, then retrofitted it with the proper six-hole, six-lug wheels with tandems. Another received Budds with tandems, and both got realistic rear A/C units made from the cabs of Ford Aeromax tractors.
-Flxible put out some 40-foot Metro D resin kits towards the end. I shortened one to a 35-footer, slanted the back, lowered the front end height, and redesigned the windows and front to make a Grumman 870.
-Several HO scale Gillig Phantoms out of Matchbox Dennis fire engines.
-An O scale New Flyer LF from a Blue Bird school bus.
-Countless 30-foot and Grumman 870 versions (sans Sutrak) of the Road Champs Flxible Metro. Even made some with Batwings.
And I'm sure there are many more out there that I will stir up soon.
-F.
But the good thing about buses is this: if you ever have to evacuate an area, the bus can go wherever you want it to, and not just a set route that can possibly be sabotaged. This was a major factor in why we saw so many TAs convert to all-bus fleets and abandon trolleys after WWII. We thought to ourselves as a nation, "What if it happens again?".
Look at 9/11. We are asking basically the same question today.
-F.
-F.
Unfortunately, those of us who pursue this hobby are often lumped in with some of the strange characters who inhabit the transit (and railroad) fan communities. Talk to enough transit employees and you'll hear tales about fan activity that range from the humorous to the just plain strange. I've seen some behavior on fantrips that has made me cringe. Running around and getting visibly and loudly excited at the sight of a transit vehicle is not considered 'normal' by most people.
Jim D.
-F.
6 cars smashed today
4 yesterday
Can't even count the # of firetrucks and medics flying around, and they ain't fighting any fires.
bunch of morons out there, that's why I'm trying to ride the bus instead.
-f.
Sorry....hard to spell like a human when the girlfriend is shouting
"E-MAIL...CHECK MY EEEEEEEEEEEEEEE-MAIL!!!".
Gotta go.
-F.
I wonder if a bus station could be built at the intersection of I-84 and I-87, and the state's bus companies could use it to run upstate-downstate routes on the "hub and spoke" system.
Fleets of buses from upstate and down would meet at the station, which would only be accessible to bus riders and employees. On the Downstate side, buses could roll up and down the East and West sides of Manhattan making multiple stops, make several stops in Brooklyn, several stops in Queens, or even several stops in Nassau, Westchester, New Jersey, etc. On the upstate side, they could be traveling to/from the several upstate cities, ski resorts, vacation and second home areas, or colleges.
Passengers would transfer at Upstate-Downstate station after using the restroom and getting refreshments. All the buses would travel more directly and make fewer intermediate stops, but with passengers from other buses, they would be just as full.
What do you think? If a bus can roll up my one-way residential street in Brooklyn, stop on the local commercial street, and head right to Atlantic City, why can't a get a bus to a station where I can change to another bus for almost any upstate destination?
What do you think.
Greyhound runs all over with a transfer at PABT, with some goin as far as Washington DC and Springfield, Ma from Islip or Hempstead
Adirondack Trailways runs Babylon-Massapequa-Freeport-Hempstead-Mineola-Queens Village-New Rochelle-White Plains-Nanuet-Kingston, with some buses continuing up to Albany.
All of these offer transfers to other bus routes to points around the entire state and other states.
Also, the ski resorts(well, Hunter atleast) has daily buses from Long Island and other points, or atleast did.
I managed to ride an Eagle once on the 139, and a standard-cap MC-9 on the 195 a couple years before they were retired.
BTW - NJ Transit also had two standard-cap Jersey Cruisers... for extra credit, what were their fleet numbers (I know the answer already, and did ride one once on the 163).
They were 1989 models and were retired in late 2000 at age 11. Eagle had gone out of business in 1998, and NJT had serious difficulty obtaining parts (especially due to the customized body work, such as the front ard rear caps). They were replaced in the initial batch of D4000s, but not by assignment - routes that saw Eagles were given reassigned MC9Bs, and the first D4000s went to Meadowlands.
The Eagles you saw in North Bergen were all Howell garage units - they were used on the 128 Boulevard East between rush hours so that they don't have to deadhead back to south Jersey or sit all day in one of the lots. The CNG MCIs also run the 128 for the same reason.
I also had a soft spot for Greyhound's MC-7 around the same time. The MC-6 was a bit weird for me.
MetroB
I have a similar example of this type of modification on page 76 of the 'TRAILWAYS BUSES' Photo Archive book...a 1945 GM PD 3702...upgraded in the 50's with large slanted side windows like those of a 4104..and the front windshield of a 4103.
You now have a 1945 bus looking much like a 4104. Nice upgrade, gives the bus a much more modern, next generation look, surely less expensive than buying a new fleet.....courtesy of Missouri Pacific Trailways.
This board will not be the same without you...and I think you will miss it very much, and I truly believe that you will be missed by many.
We have all kinds here..all fall into a certain niche. You have created your own essential niche as an afficionado of buses and trains of both, the past and the present. Your enthusiasm for these subjects is clearly infectuous....as evidenced by the positive reactions you generate with many of your posts.
If you are leaving due to those who disagree with your ideas or are critical of your style....I say to hell with them, and to leave is to have let them win. If it is for other...strictly personal reasons..well then I respect that.
Again...if you can stay..I URGE you to reconsider...If you go, I persoannly will not check in as often.
Dash 80 (my e mail address is included)
Regards,
Jimmy
Regards,
Jimmy
You have provided some very good insight into the NJ bus transit scene of yore, something that holds a LOT of interest for me since I grew up in Bloomfield and still live there (I was born in Staten Island and we moved here when I was 3).
Here's a brief synopsis of my NJ bus experiences...
My first ride on an NJ Transit bus was with my mother on the #11 from Bloomfield Center to Willowbrook Mall. It was one of the older Grumman-Flxibles (NOT an ex-NYC one) with the hard brown seats and woodgrain panelling and NO stop-request sign! That's one thing I remember vividly about them - the lack of a "Stop Requested" sign - you could keep hitting the black tape over and over and it'd keep ringing!
Never did ride on a Flxible New Look but I do remember seeing them particularly on the old P9 (now 709) and probably some other routes.
When the P9 became the 709 when I was in middle school, for the longest time no roll signs existed for them and the drivers would just stick a hand-written or computer print-out '709' sign in the front windshield.
The first time I was an RTS was when I was in 7th grade back in 1995-96 and it was on the 27 route. I was waiting for the 72 in Bloomfield Center and this RTS shows up across the street. I couldn't believe my eyes and my first thought was the "New York buses" (meaning the RTS) were invading! Of course over the next several weeks they multiplied and displaced the Metro D's from Orange Garage. Finally on one sweltering June day in 1996 while I was waiting on the 94, what showed up after a long (40+ minute) wait but a Nova. Good first impression, of course the bus was brand new at the time and the AC was icy damn cold!
Also around that time, one of the CNG-powered Metro C's (out of Orange) would show up from time to time on the 92 and I got my first ride in July of 1997. I would've gotten my first ride on the way home from school that June, but I missed it by mere seconds! I was in the corner store getting a soda and just as I was paying for it, I saw this Flxible with the words "IT'S A NATURAL" in huge swirling blue letters pass by signed on for the 92 - going in my direction no less. I was like, "Oh Shit!" and after I paid for the soda, I bolted like a bat out of hell but couldn't get across Broad Street fast enough since I didn't have the light and the damn traffic wouldn't let up! By the time I ran across the bus was pulling away.
But about a month later, I was walking up to my house from the store down the block and once again saw NGV3 coming the other way (toward the Newark Subway). My first reaction was to dash across Belleville Av to try to catch it but then logic set in... I'll just wait here and catch it on it's return trip and ride it out to South Orange! So finally after about a half-hour, NGV3 came back around and I got my first ride. I also managed to ride it several more times over the next year or so until finally they just disappeared. I believe all the CNG Flxibles are down at Hamilton. Not sure if they're still in service though.
Whew... man I could go on and on, but you get the idea.
Whatever you do, don't leave! I enjoy your insightful and interesting posts! You contribute good, quality stuff to this board and it's much appreciated!
Should be, "The first time I saw an RTS (for NJ Transit)"
Never been an RTS, don't plan on being one.. ;-)
Also, Chicago CTA received the only 1960 Flxible transit coach hybrid ever made; it featured the Twin Coach-style Old Look body with the New Look front end that would be found on all Flxes from 1961 on.
-F.
What happened to the Flxible New Looks in the 800-815 series?
Also according to the site, Triboro did order 15 of the
Flxible F2D6V401-1's. They were serial numbers 51900-51914 corresponding to fleet numbers 801-815 as you said. According to the site, # 811 is preserved by Tony Autorino of Double A Transport in Rocky Hill, CT as fleet # 70. Didn't check Double A's site to see if it is still on the roster.
The Flxibles were great. They had a real nice suspension system. They swayed quite a bit on turns.
Just a coincidence, but I just happen to have this:
This is #852. Not quite what you were looking for, but close. Hope you enjoy.
-F.
Don't you mean Grumman 870's?
As far as the slopebacks, you are telling me something new here. I didn't know that Triboro had them. Do you know what their numbers were?
All three received them during October/November, 1979
Triboro Coach: #630 - 639
(Triboro later received some from the other companies and vice-versa)
Green Bus Lines: #1001-1015
Jamaica Buses:#301 - 310
All were models T8H-203
BTW, Triboro never had any TDH-5309s! They had T6h-5305As and
T6H-5307As
The second bus is GBL #1009.
Rode 805 on the Q18 in the 1960s to JHS 126 (transfered to the 19A at 30th avenue and 21st street). I can still remember the buses assigned to the Q18 then. They included 762, 777 (GM Fishbowls), 803 and 804.
Thanks for the pic.
TD
http://photos.transitgallery.com/Far-Rockaway-A-Train-Albums
Enjoy and let me know what you think.
Nice picture!
There is also a nice shot of #861 on this site. Look in the index/table of contents and go to NYC Buses, then to Queens buses. The shot of 861 is on the first page of small pics. I'm sure there is a way to link it here, but I don't know how to do it.
Last but not least saw 4261 rehabbed, looking "fresh and clean", running the C25.
Spotted this bus going down my street(83 Ave) at 4:05 PM today(Also the time I took the pic). It was starting to move since it was waiting for a traffic light and it turn green and idk where it went after that as I know it did not made a right turn onto Queens Blvd E/B. It might had did one of these 2 options:
Left onto Queens Blvd W/B
or
Contune straight down 83 Ave(becomes Hoover Ave)
I say it was option 1.
Used to be on m31 a lot - Has padded transit seats - real nice , quiet and very clean bus.
B1-#9324-NOVABUS
p.s. #9109 out of Ulmer Park HAS BEEN FULLY REPAINTED!!
Ray
RESPECT THE BUSES OF NEW YORK CITY!!!!!!
#9099 - B6
#9106 - B6 - Ltd
-Adam
(enynova5205@aol.com)
Da Hui
But there is a pic right here anyway :)
The CS Suburbans are falling apart butthis bus was a gem.
By the way CS seems to be running more and more suburbans on q32 - wonder if quill is going to start doing the same - It is a long run that could be the logic.
Da Hui
More and more are showing up from CS and sometimes from MJQ
The entire album. Newest photos at the top.
AcelaExpress2005 - R160
I can't wait for Stengel to get their order... *drools*
I told a driver on the M27 (towards UN) that her sign read "Port Authority." She said "at least you know where the bus is going." She's going on report. When I tell other B/Os they have the wrong destination sign, they say "thank you" and change the sign.
Last Saturday, standing on 9th Avenue at Port Authority to catch the M11 to Chelsea market, two M11s came by and didn't attempt to stop and pick me up. I took the subway to 14th Street and caught up with them at the Hudson Street starting point. I got both their bus numbers and run numbers. Both of them are going on report.
It's bad B/Os like this group that give the other B/Os a bad rap.
Michael
Washington, DC
Da Hui
How do you know in what context that statement was made? I surely don't, and cannot ascertain it based on the post. How can you??
Also, unless the M11 goes through some country back roads that I am not aware of, I find it rather hard to believe that not one but two buses would pass by Michael at a bus stop in Manhattan.
Which is exactly the reason I find it hard to believe two buses would pass someone unless that someone wasn't in a bus stop, or the buses were limited, reassigned or not in service. No facts were given to come to any conclusion.
The only possibility that comes to my mind is that the bus was full, but I think Michael would have seen that himself.
He could have said it himself, too. Which he didnt, so why are you?
Just because he (or I) do not live in New York does not mean we are entited to a lower class of service and that we can not complain about the service.
Lower class? You don't live here. That in itself lends class to our system. Go complain about RideOn 27.
There is no M11 limited. Of course, someone decided that the LIMITED STOPS sign P/R should be removed, so now routes like the M11 can't even be signed as limiteds on a need be basis.
If New York is such the model city everyone claims it is (as opposed to Washington), why can't the bus drivers be a bit nicer towards the tourists?
Da Hui
BIG AL
Sure knows how to make good use of his time in NYC. Let a few alleged mishaps ruin his day on vacation, and then come on here and brag about it? This guy needs to spend less time dancing and chasing buses and more time in anger management therapy/coping skills training...
I'm sure those 'reports' went right in the trash. These days we all have more important things to be concerned with...at least most of us do. I feel sorry for this creep. Stuff like this happens all the time in life...if you let it get to you, you'll have no life
MetroB
Da Hui
I think Michael has valid complaints and some of your reasons for why he is wrong are just pure BS.
Well since you don't work in customer service, you can't throw it into the trash.
"Perhaps you were not standing in the proper bus stop or not visible to the upcoming operators."
I was standing right next to the pole. Now you'll probably tell me I should have climbed the pole. But I will get an answer and it's probably NOT the one you posted.
With an attitude like yours, you definitely put the "fresh" in Fresh Pond Depot. Probably made a lot of people by leaving.
Michael
Washington, DC
Believe me, I wish I did, so I could.
"But I will get an answer, and it's probably not the one you posted".
You MAY get an answer, but it won't be what you are looking for. Since you had to "chase" the buses via a train just to get the numbers, there is no way for you to prove that the two buses at the end of the line are the same one's that passed you by. NYCT won't even bother interviewing anybody due to these ridiculous circumstances.
"With an attitude like yours, you definitely put the "fresh" in Fresh Pond Depot.
With an attitude like yours, you need to stay down in D.C. and look for trivial things to whine about. We have enough of your type up here.
"Probably made alot of people by leaving".
Ditto.
BIG AL
So is he wrong for making that kind of complaint? Maybe he was just trying to help. Couldn't she have gotten written up for it if a supervisor caught her with the wrong sign? I don't know how NYCT handles it but if a NJT bus has a wrong dest., you can get written up. Since he mentioned he has done it before, maybe he was jsut trying help her.
"That's one complaint I would throw right into the waste basket."
Then what would be a "legitimate" complaint?
MetroB
BIG AL
Da Hui
-Adam
(enynova5205@aol.com)
-Adam
(enynova5205@aol.com, allisonb500r@aol.com)
BIG AL
-Adam
(enynova5205@aol.com, allisonb500r@aol.com)
BIG AL
AcelaExpress2005 - R160
Da Hui
Da Hui
Da Hui
AcelaExpress2005 - R160
BIG AL
BIG AL
David
BIG AL
CG
http://www.mta.info/metrocard/termsreg.htm
Transfer Restrictions
No transfers from subway to subway or to the bus route on which you started.
No transfers between these bus routes:
-downtown Fifth Av and uptown Madison Av buses (M1, M2, M3, M4)
-downtown Lexington Av and uptown Third Av buses (M101, M102, M103)
-southbound and northbound Grand Concourse buses (Bx1 and Bx2)
-M27 and M50
-M31 and M57
-M96 and M106
-Bx40 and Bx42
CG
I think you merely took it the wrong way. Look at the facts, New Years Eve, most of the pax are probably high, to one degree or the other, so, she was making a little joke on account of you being sober and knowing where you are going.
I would have taken it as a joke, maybe you should lighten up.
Peace,
ANDEE
Thing 1... That actually is a problem for passengers who intend to transfer to the M15 at First Avenue. Remember that the destination sign readings are linked to the farebox, so a bus with a westbound reading will issue or encode westbound transfers even if the bus itself is going east. Since the westbound trip starts at First Avenue, it doesn't offer a transfer to the northbound M15, so anybody who had to make that transfer paid an unnecessary second fare.
Thing 2... I've never had a problem reminding bus operators about their signs. Even if I'm just walking by, I flash my employee ID and point up; they thank me for "pointing" out the wrong reading before some vindictive superintendent sees it.
Thank you for sticking with the facts and not ad homimen attacks.
Michael
Washington, DC
Da Hui
-Adam
(enynova5205@aol.com)
Da Hui
Da Hui
Dispatchers tell buses to skip stops.
It happens.
MetroB
I've read postings over what I consider trivial without the originator being attacked. At times, this board is like a fraternity. Only those on the "inside" can criticize or complain.
As for does anything happen to operators, I'm told that complaints go in their file and if they get too many, they are severely disciplined. The TA encourages comments (positive and negative). The purpose of complaints is to improve service not to get somebody fired.
Putting a complaint, whether legitimate or not, onto this board is like pissing into the wind. If there is a real complaint, write a business-like letter to the agency involved. Posting it here means NOTHING. All it does is make you like like a whiney sissy.
Oh, and Steve, are you the Steve Hoskins of railfan lore? I've seen your name in a variety of places.
I'm not pretending to be something, nor am I hiding from anyone, so I don't have any problem with using my real name.
Michael
Washington, DC
Da Hui
Being from out of town is NOT a valid reason for why M4 wouldn't be entitled to post what he did.
They don't come here to be a whiney sissy and post ONLY complaints. Face it, this is NOT a perfect world. And just because bus operators are public employees (in most cases), they are NOT required to kiss peoples' asses.
Then what is the bus driver, a reptile?
Peace,
ANDEE
Machine :)
Da Hui
It's the person who remains quiet and does have a legitimate complaint that will call in. And they will do it in a business-like manner, not come into some Internet forum and brag about it.
Other bus drivers know that people standing at a bus stop want the bus to stop. I can understand when there are multiple routes that share a stop and the passenger may indicate at the last moment he doesn't want the particular route that showed up. There are only two routes that stop at my location, M16 and M11. The M11s were speeding which is why they didn't stop. I'm not going to climb on top of the bus pole and shoot off fireworks. Nor am I going to run into the middle of the street to flag down a bus.
Michael
Washington, DC
That's usually a good indication that they were instructed to flag stops.
Well actually, at NJT, passengers are supposed to flag down the bus as it approaches.
MetroB
MetroB
Okay...
First, a (partial) disclosure: I have worked for Transit for the past 15 years, initially as an analyst and now as a manager in a bus-related function.
Now I'll say this: I've formally reported only two bus operators during my entire career, both during the early 1990's. One was operating in revenue service while out of uniform (wearing jeans and sneakers); the other refused to let a traffic checker board his bus (at a designated stop, with a valid Transit employee pass).
Except for those two instances, I find the "friendly reminder" approach to be a far more productive way to address minor issues. Specifically, a "friendly reminder" will (1) alert the bus operator that a problem exists, (2) points out that "someone" knows and cares about it, and (3) solves the problem immediately - all without raising anybody's blood pressure.
What rule violation is this?
Da Hui
However, I will entertain your question as a sidebar and afterthought with respect to traffic checkers on my bus and the like. Personally, I have a great deal of empathy for them. They must endure some pretty ridiculious rules and regulations to keep their jobs. They must stand in inclement weather and deal with not only TA management, but the general public and the temperments and personalities of bus operators they're assigned with for the day.
I treat traffic checkers with respect- they are fellow union brothers and sisters. For the most part, they are a decent hard working group of people trying to do an honest days work without incident. Even if they're considered the bastard setp children of the TA, I consider them nem and women doing a job as well as they can under very intimidating and trying circumstances.
When I've got a checker on my bus, I usually buy him/her coffee and ask if they need a restroom break, so I can plan ahead to best keep on schedule. I incorporate them into my day, and rather enjoy the company. It helps the day pass sooner.
When I see a checker out there late at night or early in the morning, I'll pick up a coffee or soda for them. I'll ask if they need anything, then be on my way.
None of this has anything to do with their job as data is taken recording my operation. I couldn't care less what they write on their sheets. That's not my job.
Now, which rule was referenced and violated?
Conveniently, as it happens, Gotham doesn't *remember* what happened. Typical.
Do you know for a fact that the pass was valid and that it belonged to the individual holding it?
While I don't recall the specific chapter-and-verse in the rule book, my complaint cited the face sheet notation that "Buses are available to all intending passengers on all revenue trips."
is a general blanket statement of policy and not an official governing rule. The policy that "Buses are available to all intending passengers on all revenue trips" would not apply to passengers waiting at a local bus stop intending to board a limited bus. It could be argued that the policy is too vague in it's language and subject to situational circumstances. Enter this violation, as I progress.
Additionally, Chapters 4 and 5, Rules 83 through 96 of the NYCTA Rules and Regulations governing Bus Operation, makes no mention of the policy "Buses are available to all intending passengers on all revenue trips" (Note: Chapters 2 and 3 deal specifically with Rapid Transit regulation. Rule 1 is a general employee outline).
Therefore, I would argue that the violation be dismissed without prejudice based on the fact that it doesn't exist within the rulebook or contract. A rule violation can only be written against a rule violated. Should that rule not exist, the violation is errant and improper.
Not unlike a police officer ticketing a railfan for snapping a photo from a platform.
You're the one who made mention of it and brought it to the forum. You also stated you've only issued two violations. One would think that you'd remember the details of issuing such a small number of violations. One would think that you would remember a rule in which you issued a violation. You're quick to post data about everything else, one would imagine a rule would roll off your fingertips! Especially one you indicate an employee violated!
If you weren't prepared to discuss the particulars, you shouldn't have brought it up in the first place.
The driver in question turned out to have a history of disciplinary problems, and was suspended for two days.
A "history" of problems? In an agency that routinely disciplines over half it's workforce annually, please define "history" in numerical value. Of course, by sheer virtue of the two days you say he served, I can tell you right now how many instances of discipline he served. Can you?
I find it interesting that you remember the discipline but not the rule. You would have had to wait and investigate the outcome at the depot level for at least two weeks. One would imagine something so important would remain in your selective memory.
End of story.
Typical of you. When you cannot post factual information to support your claims, you run from the discussion. Only difference is, here at Bus Talk, you can't delete your posts :-)
Michael
Washington, DC
;-)
hahahahahah LOL
also, it looks like 4342 is going to be scraped like 4742.
When MetroCard was first introduced on LI Bus, I seem to recall that some of the literature implied that transfers would still only be accepted at transfer points.
Is this actually the case? Or will my Metrocard transfer be accepted on any bus as long as it's within 2 hours?
CG
I know LIB uses a better integrated farebox system than NYCT. Perhaps that might be a factor.
Joe?
There was no "checking" the validity of these transfers.
Robert
BIG AL
That type of thing happens all the time within the city. I was specifically wondering whether one could take an N15 from Long Beach up to Mineola and then walk the two blocks over to the Mineola station and get a free transfer to the N23 (or some other route).
I do know that you can't get subway-bus transfers on all LI Bus routes. I've taken the subway to the LIRR to LI Bus many times and not gotten a free transfer even though it was well within the 2 hour window. There must be something in the fareboxes that tells whether or not the particular line is eligible for a subway-bus transfer.
CG
That would probally make sense, as only certain routes go to/from the subway: N1, N2, N3 (rush hours), N4, N6 N20/N21 N22 N24 N26, N31/N32. And N33?
Given the length of time that it takes to go from upper Manhattan to Far Rock and then the headway on the N33, you could run into a situation where the time to make the transfer runs out -- even though you're making the quickest possible connection.
CG
I've taken the E train to Penn Station, and then the LIRR from Penn to Rockville Centre and then gotten on the N14. The N14 will deduct a fare from the Metro Card even though the two hour window hasn't expired from when I boarded the subway. So obviously the farebox logic knows that subway transfers aren't accepted on the N14.
Had I taken the E out to Jamaica and boarded an N4 to Rockville Centre then clearly, my Metro Card transfer would be accepted.
But what if I took the E to the LIRR to Rockville Centre and boarded an eastbound N4 there? Would the bus farebox know that I wasn't at a subway transfer point and therefore deduct another fare?
Thanks to everyone for their input.
CG
AcelaExpress2005 - R160
Da Hui
Da Hui
AcelaExpress2005 - R160
WMATA played a huge role in his first tenure, taking thousands of fans to RFK to watch the games week after week. Metrobuses that were chartered to go to RFK. I remember seeing buses all over Langley Park taking people there before the subway was running at full steam like it is today.
1983- Redskins win first Super Bowl. Cold and rainy winter day and my father and I head down to DC to watch the parade. I remember riding an 859x Flx New Look with the flip dots to Fort Totten on the R8. We get down there and see the 'Skins roll by on two Flx New Looks. One was a suburban style one and the other, I don't remember.
Soon after, Flx New Looks were sporting the Redskins championship banners on the tops of their buses.
Then, the Flx Metro B's came out and even during preseason games, they'd have their signs programmed to "Redskins Will Win Today". One of them even had a banner painted on the top when they won against the Denver Broncos. It was nuts here in the 80's and I just hope the area gets perked up by this news.
With all this craziness going on in the world today, it is nice to see people smiling. Even my wife who doesn't like football at all, was happy to hear the news. I couldn't stop talking about it. Sure we could go 1-15 next year, but who cares!!!
I don't dislike the 'Skins, but my observations since I've been living in the DC area is that many of the 'Skins fans that I knew were flaky. I say this because when the 'Skins were good they were happy and proud, but when the 'Skins didn't do so well... they wanted to fire everybody who had anything to do with the team. I can understand being frustrated (I sure had lots of it this season), but I think folks should stick by their team through the bad and good.
I hope WMATA will get back into the act. Unfortunately, it will probably take something like the 'Skins looking like strong playoff contenders.
BTW - I saw 3936 making a trip on the G8 this morning. I had never seen anything other than a Flx Metro-B (40 footer) or NF C40LF, of course on this route. Yesterday, I saw a Ride-On cutaway on the back of a tow truck
Picture posted to keep this thread back on track... =)
In November we went to the Ravens/49ers game and of course I had to look at the dozens of MTA Buses parked all over the area. None of the B/O's were around. I wonder if they let them in to watch them game. After the game, of course I wanted to stick around and watch the buses leave, but we were short on time.
Could be, some stadiums do let the drivers in during games. My friend is a b/o for Miami-Dade Transit, and during the summer of 2002 he was on the extra board and one Saturday night he worked a Marlins express run and he told me later that they let him in. (As it turned out, I was at that game and he had called my cell to let me know he was there, but I had it turned off, D'OH!) I don't know if drivers are allowed inside for Dolphins games, which routinely sell out, while of course the Marlins barely drew flies until the last month of so of last season and of course throughout the post-season.
Then again, the team I follow most is the Orioles. I've never been much of a football fan.
Too bad not too many of the older WMATA buses are around, or else they could go retro and have all the Redskins shuttles be the ones from the days of his coaching. : )
It is funny how Gibbs always referred to the former owner as Mr. Cooke, but calls the current one, Dan. Hmmm, who has control here? LOL
Everybody is so happy to have Joe Gibbs back I saw a Redskin fan get off a CAGV and started dancing and holloring, he seemed very happy. Now getting off a CAGV would have one to run into the street to get hit by a car, commit suicide soon afterwards, bow their heads down in gloom or just break out into straight a crying fit. It is amazing what one person can do huh.
At that time Coach Joe Gibbs showed respect to the elder Jack Kent Cooke. Today it’s the other way around.
John
-F.
From what I remember of the pic, BOY did those Neoplans look screwy in the Second Scheme. They just didn't wear it like the Metros!
-F.
See it for yourself....
http://www.commonwealthcoach.com/74WashMetro.html
-F.
-F.
JD
MAN 5119 recieved the current scheme but none of the other MANs did.
-F.
-F.
None of the new looks received the current paint scheme and only one MAN and one RTS received the new paint scheme, still don't know why, as to my knowledge neither was kept for their historic fleet.
Just recently, I went searching for WMATA pics and found 9813 in the third scheme. It looks NOTHING like it did when I rode it.
-F.
-F.
Whoops! I did hear this, but got the schemes mixed up. When I first visited D.C. in 1986, I only saw one RTS in the second scheme.
JD
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But 40-foot low-floors in Baltimore have been terrible. Which makes me think, Neoplans seem like "hit-or-miss" buses: some systems love 'em and buy batch after batch after batch, and some systems have awful problems with them. Even in the latter case, they do seems to "calm down" after maybe two years in service and shape up to be decent buses, but I wonder if anyone else has noticed this pattern. Any insight?
Now can anyone explain why SEPTA bought the NABI's and now they're getting all of those New Flyers? Was it the cost of the buses?
Was it the "Lowest Bidder" rules?
I'm wondering because of all of the Neoplans SEPTA acquired in the 80's, I thought NEOPLAN would be a longtime supplier of buses to SEPTA, like GM/TMC/NOVA was a longtime supplier of RTS's to MTA.
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Remember that these cities in Alberta are a few among the countless Canadian operators still with New Looks in daily service. I argue that Transit Windsor (Ontario) has the coolest bus fleet anywhere. They have about 100 buses, and among the models represented are Orion I (40 footers!), Orion V, Orion VI, Orion VII, GM Classic, MCI Classic (with about ten different spec variations), NovaBUS LFS, and of course, the venerable GM New Looks. Most of Transit Windsor's New Looks are 1978-1982 T6H-5307N models, but rumor has it that they still have a couple 60s-era TDH-4519s in tripper service. If anyone wants more info, let me know.
-Adam
(enynova5205@aol.com)
2. None of them are wheelchair accessible. They retrofitted one New Look with a lift as an experiment, but it proved expensive and infeasible.
About TTC's rebuilds, there have been several different versions of the rebuild program. There are 6-year rebuilds, where the bus receives some basic work and returns to service. The 18-year rebuilds go a lot deeper, and when gradutes of this program come back, they have new numbers. You can recognize a fully (18 year) rebuilt TTC New Look by a fleet number in the 2000s. The original, unrebuilt New Looks (numbered in the 8000s) are becoming increasingly rare. At last check, the oldest unrebuilt bus in service was 8058, a 1975 GMDD T6H-5307N.
And once again, Toronto, Red Deer, Calgary, and Edmonton are just a few of the dozens of Canadian cities where New Looks still roll.
Not trying be be an asshole -- just trying to keep things accurate.
I mean that none of the New Looks are accessible. TTC has three batches of low floor buses (Orion VI-CNG 9200-9249, New Flyer D40LF 7300-7350, and the new Orion VIIs 7400+), plus it's one of the few Canadian properties with lift-equipped buses: 1996 Orion V 7000-7134, 1996 Orion V-CNG 9400-9449, and 1998 NovaBUS RTS-08 7200-7251.
-Adam
(enynova5205@aol.com)
You notice that none of these transit agencies are in the United States right? The reason New Looks last so long up there is because they don't have a litany of government mandates dictaing how to operate and purchase buses.
I think this says it all....
"None of them are wheelchair accesible." -RTS T80 206
How about that? ADA compliance is what kills and has killed thousands of the ADB buses. And, hmmmmm, I wonder what the EPA standards are up there? How is federal funding mandated? What regulations does the Canadian government have on the age and mileage of buses? Is it the 12 year 500,000 mile rule? What about low bids?
I wonder what the cultural climate of Canada is like? The streets? Public works? All of these factor in to determine the longevity and the asthetics of a bus, whether you choose to acknowledge these factors or not. Since everyone has a hard on for the New Looks, it's good to wax poetic about their longevity, despite the climate and culture being TOTALLY different in the era they were built and the only places they currently operate. I wonder how many New Looks would still be around if Canada had opted to build RTS-04's or even ordered Flxibles instead of continuing New Look production? But, we'll never know because like so many here, they were set in the past. Well, it does seem to be working for them though, for the time being anyway.
-Adam
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-Adam
(enynova5205@aol.com)
Like #5237 here (take the same day) with the black trim on the door panels
"She BLINDED Me...With SCIENCE!!!"
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Hmmm... I feel the complete opposite, now ain't that something! ;-)
To each their own, I guess.
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Jim D.
Flxible Metros and Grumman 870s look even worse in all white. Once again, black was a color that made the bus!
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It looks like a regular RTS to me.
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B8-#7640-Orion VII
Yes, you're correct about Command's first RTS being #351. #351-355 were the first at Command and they were the 04 series. This small group was a bit different from the others Command rec'd a bit later. 351-355 had dark tinted windows and a dot-matrix destination sign, but no side sign. They had the DD 6V-92TA/Allison powertrain.
Peace,
Kevin
1001 was the first of Green's fifteen 1979 Slopebacks.
Green also has 1985 RTS-04 #10001, formerly 269. IIRC, it was renumbered because it was the 10,001st RTS built.
Jamaica #301 was the first NYCDOT RTS off the production line.
Kevin
Jamaica Buses Inc. 1979 GMC RTS #310
Regards,
Kevin
B1-#7523-REMAN RTS
B3-#9308-NOVABUS
It became Spokane, WA #149. NYCDOT's demo became Spokane 150.
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(enynova5205@aol.com)
Got a $4 metrocard at the PW station ticket window. Got on the bus, put in my metrocard, farebox reader says invalid or some f'ed up thing that neither I nor the B/O had ever seen. He told me to go run in and get a new card. When I told the woman at the window that the metrocard she sold me was defective and that I wanted a new one, she told me she couldn't do anything about it unless I pay another $4 for a new one. I pleaded with her explaining that the only money I had no more money(well, I had more, but it was to pay for my mothers gift). She said that they only sell metrocards as a favor for the subways. WTF KINDA BS IS THAT!? What about us bus riders!?
Americana is a friggin nightmare for any pedestrian. When Wladbaums closed, they took away the staircase to the intersection where the bus stop is(well, across the street from). So now it's either walk the really busy street to Searingtown rd(which BTW, has no sidewalk, and dodging the SUV's there is like trying to dodge a bomb the size of Texas), or walk all the way down to Crate&Barrel and then walk all the way back, probably a mile hike for ya right there.
There's nothing wrong with RFM. Yea, the fact that you gotta walk through the parking lot to get there from the bus stop in a bitch, but otherwise it's fine.
Why am I asking? I want to know if there was any confusion when other Limited service buses were instituted. I boarded a Q17 Limited today from Flushing and apparently some people STILL don't get the Limited service. We even had to make two unauthorized stops at Elder Avenue and at Rose Avenue because people just happened to NOT KNOW the bus was a limited, despite all the signage. The bus operator was even holding a "Limited" sign while passengers boarded and paid their fares. He did get upset at a passenger who came up to him and asked to stop (this guy knew some english, and clearly HEARD the announcements that the bus was a Limited, and he STILL got on... -_- ) and said back to him "I got five signs across the bus; don't read? You know what time it is? (it was well after 5:30) Uh-huh..." And then he opened up the doors at Rose Avenue and let him off.
Another passenger suggested they should make multi-language "Limited" signs so others could understand. The bus operator said he was going to bring it up to management, or something to that effect.
Hopefully, by September 2004, people along the Q17 route will finally know what stops the Limited serves.
-Adam
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-Adam
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Queens is home to speakers of over 150 languages; which languages get included, and which get left out (at the risk of offending somebody)? I'd rather see public service notices in the various ethnic publications, complete with descriptions of the "Limited Stops" concept and the routes which utilize it, plus a color photo of an orange-and-purple "Limited" tumbler card.
(BTW, those tumbler cards have started showing up in some of the Flatbush Avenue "gypsy" vans, so someone clearly understands the concept!)
-Adam
(enynova5205@aol.com)
http://talk.nycsubway.org/perl/read?subtalk=639060
Is this yard part of the East New York Bus Depot & how many buses are stored here from East New York & how many buses can East New York Bus Depot store.
Also, where exactly is the Carlton Staorage Yard.
As for Carlton StaorageYard I don't know were it is.
Robert
Maybe Ulmer Park can lose another bus route to reileve some of the overcrowding like moving the B1 to Jackie Gleason that I mentioned on bustalk since Jackie Gleason (I believe,not sure) has some more room for another bus route.
Robert
Robert
And if more CNG buses were to come to Jackie Gleason if the B1 happened to move there, they can borrow the Orion VII buses from West Farms Depot.This is an idea.
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Thank You
Just a thought (who knows what will happen with the privates anyway)
Actually, the disposition of the depots used by the "private" companies (including those depots owned by NYCDOT) is one of the great unknowns of this issue.
David
If the TA takes over the private lines the Queens Surfice and Command garage will become TA property since they are already owned by the City of New York.
The status of the other garages in my opinion are as follows:
Triboro Coach-If the TA can operate the Triboro routes from the Queens Surfice facility i believe that the TA will not take over this garage.
Jamaica Buses-Depends on the current status of rebuilding the current TA Jamaica Depot. I believe that if the TA can lease the facility from the Coopers they may do so while the Jamaica Depot facilty is rebuilt. Once this is done then the TA will not need this facility.
Green Bus Lines-The Rockaway garage will be closed as it really will nor be needed by the TA but i believe that the TA will want the Rockaway Blvd facility is it will be needed as a 4th Queens TA depot.
New York Bus Service facilty will not be taken over from the NYBS because they will need it for its school bus operation .
Since the Liberty Lines garage is in Yonkers the TA will not acquire it. I believe that the Bronx express routes can be operated from the current 3 Bronx depots and if they are to crowded than Amsterdam can be reopened. I was told if the TA does indeed take the routes in late 2002 when the idea was first proposed a divisonal general manager told me that Amsterdam will remain open. I do not know if the idea has been changed since then
Only time will tell and i repeat these are my specuations only and i have no inside information from any of my sources in the DOB
Thank You
One would like to think so (I know I would), but it's not a lock.
David
BIG AL
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Jonn
David
1]Which groups of WMATA buses spent their entire career at one garage?
2]Before the arrival of the Flxible Metros, there were two WMATA buses numbered 8800 and 4000. What were they and why they were here?
3]What was the largest single bus order WMATA made?
4]In 1979 WMATA was one of the first transit systems to get what type of bus?
5]What is the largest, and the smallest WMATA garages?
6]Ride-On was the largest user of what manufacturer's bus?
7]When did Fairfax Connector start operating and where?
8]What does CUE stand for?
I never knew that any of our (NYCTA)buses had visited WMATA. Did you have a chance to ride them? Our 8800 was a GMC T6H-5305A identical to WMATA's 3800 series. TA had plenty of fishbowls with high-backed seats for express service. However, they were all transits (including 8800) with no suburban features except the high-backed seating. #4000 was a Flxible very similar to WMATA's 6800 series buses. I think the 6800 series buses were 96-inches wide??? All buses purchase by NYCTA since the new looks have been 102's (except a small number of Grumman 870).
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-Adam
(enynova5205@aol.com)
AFAIK
Incognito
I may be wrong, but I think the answer to #4 is MAN. I always thought that WMATA's RTS were 03 series. I have the premiere issue of Bus World that had an article about Long Beach Transit being the first RTS customer (series 01) with 15 buses (4701-4715)
2]Before the arrival of the Flxible Metros, there were two WMATA buses numbered 8800 and 4000. What were they and why they were here?
3]What was the largest single bus order WMATA made?
4]In 1979 WMATA was one of the first transit systems to get what type of bus?
5]What is the largest, and the smallest WMATA garages?
Largest: Landover
Smallest: Arlington
6]Ride-On was the largest user of what manufacturer's bus?
Gillig
7]When did Fairfax Connector start operating and where?
8]What does CUE stand for?
Yeah, I know 2/8 isn't particuarly good. I'm preparing for verbal assault as soon as you all read this.
1)Neoplans
2)ummmmmmmmmmmmmmm
3)620 AMGs, the second was the 264 Orion Vs of 98 vintage
4)RTS
5)Bladensburg is the largest over 300 bus spaces, Arlington the smallest
6)I will guess and say TMC
7)1985 I think
8)This one I should know I went to GMU. City University, don't know what the E stood for.
2. If your not talking about the 8800 Flx Metro and 4000 Flx Metro then it was BC=before Chris
3.AM Generals
4.MANN 55ft Articulateds of course!! Which was the 5000's series and were at Bladensburg.
5.Biggest=Bladensburg DUH!! Smallest is a toss up but I'll say Arlington
6. TMC's. I wish we kept one for historic purposes
7. 1985 from Huntington Station to Fort Hunt?
8. City-University Energysaver
How did we do?
6) What happened to that TMC that was just sitting there?
8)WOW, that is the coolest name for a transit system I've ever heard...The Energysaver...sounds much better than Blue Leaf Transit...
How about The Breathway....
3) The V order of 97 (but they had to cancel some buses and such)?
7) I'll say 1989...that's when they got the O1s, right? Fairfax County it began (I know that's the obvious answer and probably not right, hehe...)
8) Wow, I'll have to check my transit info collection, I know I got a CUE schedule at the OLD TRANSIT SHOP.
They are guesses...hey, I just got heavily into the DC transit scene, hehe...
Dress warmly!
-Adam
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And wouldn't you know it I have two middle school charters next week.
Mike
When I went on to high school, I was told stories of racial tension and that I would get shipped home in a pine box the first week. I got along with Blacks, Asians, and other minorities just fine; it was once again the rednecks that would punch and pick. If you showered, got your hair cut, got an A, or spoke good English, you were toast.
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My last middle-school kids charter was last spring. At a stop I walked through the bus and some kids were worried when I approached and passed two of their friends cuddled up next to each other. Awwwwww, how cuuuute. But really, I couldn't care less. I'm not their parent or teacher.
Mike
http://www.findarticles.com/cf_dls/m4PRN/2003_May_22/102163389/p1/article.jhtml
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CG
-Adam
(enynova5205@aol.com, allisonb500r@aol.com)
True. And we can show all the killing and violence on broadcast TV we want. But God forbid a pair of boobies pop up on the screen. That would be too immoral........
Mike
Da Hui
-Adam
(enynova5205@aol.com, allisonb500r@aol.com)
Da Hui
-Adam
(enynova5205@aol.com, allisonb500r@aol.com)
I also had to put up with that crap. I was in high school at the time.
I remember one time in particular. I was taking the BX 12 bus back home. To make this more transit related, the BX 12 at that time were RTS's and Blitzes (and Fishbowls). I kept feeling this stinging pain near my legs but since the bus was so crowded, I could not see what was causing it. Then I saw these two punks from my school. They were snapping rubber bands and a retracting chain-like key chain at my ankles. When I realized what was going on, I yelled at them to stop it.
Every day it was something else. Sometimes there were threats ("You're dead after school!"). Sometimes they would point and laugh. Sometimes they would purposely stand near me to make weird obscene sounds or scream in my ear. They would knock off my cap if I would wear one. This went on for almost the entire year. It got so bad, I would literally stay after school and wait until I saw those guys leave and made sure I was far enough behind them to avoid having to take the same bus.
I know this sounds like a wussy thing to do. But I had no one to turn to. I was too proud to tell my family or the school about it. I knew the bullies would deny it. Besides, we were on public property at that point so there was not much the school could do to make sure that they would not bother me like that.
Things got a little better in my senior year. I finally stood up to a couple of them the last day of junior year by mimicking the screams and noises they were making to me. In my senior year, at a school assembly they saw that I had made it into the National Honor Society which they could never hope to do and they started to ignore me.
The ironic thing is that I ended up classmates with one of them when we were in college. I used to work for the school transportation system as a student driver. I even spoke to him a couple of times. By then he had grown up thank God.
This stuff happened to me almost 17 years ago. But the scars of it take more time to heal than you think. I only wish there was a "Zero Tolerance for Bullies" when I was growing up. Maybe I would have had a way to deal with those bad times.
B1-#9295-NOVABUS
Q32-#8991-NOVABUS
Q60-#5506-Orion V(sign not working-typical)
Especially the old WMATA bus scheme with the black.
The new scheme with blue replacing the black makes the Flxes look odd.
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-Fred
-Fred
25 years is a very long time to love a bus that still looks brand new.
-Fred
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(enynova5205@aol.com)
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(enynova5205@aol.com)
1]AM General A and B models
2]NEOPLAN AN440-60 [post 1995 with the tapered-off back]
Just wondering ;-)
1. The GMC RTS-04
2. The GMC RTS-01
3. Flxible Metro with Twin Exhausts
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If you're getting on a bus, and all things being equal(no one on board, no puddles, etc...) Where do you sit? Left, middle, front, back. Maybe Aisle or window. And don't count those cities with the buses that have the row of 3-5 single seats, we all take those anyway.
Example, myself:
I always subconsciencely go to the left side. And on the Gillg Advantage, I always have that middle step seat, not on the low floor, but not on the high-floor portion, when available. Either way, I normally take the left side by the rear door, sometimes very back.
I wish I had some psychology basis to explain what the means about one self though, be interesting. :)
My other spots are the very back, usally on the left of the bus, that 2 row seat right in front of the back door, and a seat on the left on that row on single seats(bench style section sorta).
On Greyhound/Peter Pan, it's either at the very front if the B/O allows me to, or 2 seats behind a TV. Sitting in the seat right in front of the TV makes you have to look up really sharp for the movie.
Incognito
However, if I am riding with a driver I know, I usually sit at a front side-facer so that I can hear what they have to say.
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1.) Forward Facing
2.) From the back (most preferable) to the front (least preferable)
3.) Ride side
4.) Window seat (if behind rear door), Aisle seat (if in front of rear door)
On a low floor bus, the very back seat in the middle. Really cool vantage point. Probably one of the two only reasons I like low-floor.
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I wonder what model it will be before the New Flyer people decide to put in a retractable step-ladder for the drivers seat. Even big Pick-up trucks don't have a step like that!
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Hopefully they can get some nice apartments to start snaking down the line and push that element away. Kindof like what I deal with all the time, and it works
Before you know it, the Kama Sutra will be printed onto bus schedules. Either way you slice it, people will read it and learn their way around!
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ORION: Odd Riders In Orgy Now.
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Thanks for the memories!
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of all seats on the bus- the singles in the front
during the morning rush esp if i'm carrying stuff on the bus- the wheelchair seats (the triplets) since I can store things under it.
on a bus with limited seating that is going to get packed in a few stops- the seats on the turntable, since I can't be squashed be a fat person (which always sits next to me), or attacked be a guy who feels the need to spread his legs 5 feet wide. The thin to average sized person (usually a girl, strangely enough) usually sits here.
I avoid the middle axle and the trailer since the suspension in both places sucks (and is not the place to sit if you just ate and dont want to have a stomachache by the end of the ride)
In any case, I usually sit across from the rear door, so I can get off the bus easily. But if the bus was empty like you said, I either sit on the right side(door side) front facing double seats. or the Back (door side) Corner seat, so I can rest against the window, and take a nap.
Facing forward, driver would be on the left door side/passenger side of car, right.
Keep 'em coming, Chris! :)
Anyway,
another new flyer
OCCC Shuttle
Lynx 8 bus, this ones pink
BIG AL
Hope you find the opportunity to spend a little time at the Lynx downtown terminal to see the most colorful bus fleet in the U.S. I, for one, would love to know exactly how many colors Lynx has in its fleet!
I suggest a ride on the Lymmo(downtown BRT system). It's free.
" I, for one, would love to know exactly how many colors Lynx has in its fleet!"
ANyone want me to send an email and ask?
Also, I hope it warms up when you come, it's been in the 40's all day!
LYNX central Station
Anything is warmer than the single digits and teens we've been feeling up here!
It's the new North/South Complex of the orange county convention center. Picture was taking from the new "Oversee Bridge" connecting the two buildings. About .5 miles north of the bee-line(Toll 529). I didn't notice you can see another bus in the background.
That pic was probably saturday, maybe friday when i realized that was the bus i was gonna take and missed it. I was doing a show there(I can't get away from that place, practically live there).
Very nice buses, watched all the I-ride trolleys go by to wait for the Lynx.
Here is a pic of the new North South Complex hosted just for the night.
BIG AL
I had some more pics for really nice brand new coaches I never seen before, but the pic is too dark to scan with the shadows.
It get's too pixelated if i make it too big and sharpen it so far, but it looks like "PR 3638" or something similiar. maybe five instead of a 6 and so on.... Maybe even PA instead of PR....
Any clues?
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Listen to how fast that RTS is going! :-O
You'll also hear the voice of a passenger who just realized the Limited passed his stop (he didn't see all the colorful "Limited" signs or something...) and asks the driver to stop. The bus made an unauuthorized stop but not after the driver voiced his displeasure to the passenger.
I've never been on a RTS going that fast ever in my life, and probably never will again.
Ray
RESPECT THE BUSES OF NEW YORK CITY!!!!!!
We were going on the REALLY fast Holly Avenue to Horace Harding stretch. We had just left Holly Avenue and we were going down Kissena Blvd towards Horace Harding. The driver made a VERY HARD stop into Rose Av (red light), gave the passenger a small lecture, and then just opened the doors and let him off.
-Adam
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-Adam
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Da Hui
-Adam
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Ray
RESPECT THE BUSES OF NEW YROK CITY!!!!!!
Da Hui
I was in San Francisco recently and those ETI trolleybuses (I believe they are Czeck)are very nice. The acceleration and stopping is a little unnerving for someone accustomed to buses. I am all for using those in any New York City system.
As for crowd carrying capacity, SF has articulated TBs, which seem to haul quite a bit of passengers.
I don't think the Brooklyn TBs would have had much impact on air quality had they survived becuase it was a somewhat small network. Expanding would have started to make inroads.
I have always envisioned using atriculated TBs on the M-15 and converting the western most two lanes of First Avenue into a two-way (north and southbound) right of way on which the TBs could operate. Any takers?
TD
I was in LA recently and they are making a brave attempt at bringing back some rail transit, but so far only the tourist and very poor have been riding. That's a start because in LA to the very poor car ownership is not possible.
But I digress from buses.
TD
Those trolleys are Skodas and they are indeed Czech. The artics, I believe, are New Flyer D60LF
What do you always see on house or apartment ads?
"Close to good schools, shopping, etc." In few places you're lucky enough to add, "Close to transit".
More vague circle logic from yours truely.
Still, Newark seems to be very well served by bus routes. I always loved to amble over to Newark Penn Station to pick up a batch of connecting bus line schedules. Was always amazed at the number of different routes in that city. It seems as though almost every neighborhood has more than one line serving it.
Maybe it's not as extensive as it once was. But for anyone wishing to explore the "real" Newark, the grid is well covered. It's a rotten shame that Newark has to continuously pay for a period of social unrest. It has a great pedestrian oriented infrastructure. And you know what? In time I believe it will come into its' own again.
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As a parent, I can tell you that a good school system was the number one consideration for my wife and I when we bought our current house. 'Close to transit' isn't worth much if you're worried about your kids being exposed to drugs and violence in school.
Jim D.
I think I'd be very happy if existing trolley bus systems merely maintained their present status (although I would personally welcome expanding and bringing on new trolley bus systems). I was deeply disappointed at Toronto's decision about a decade back to abandon its trolley bus system. And it is highly questionable, last I heard, whether another trolley bus will ever run in Philadelphia.
My own opinion is that rating trolley buses versus other mass transit forms (bus, light rail, etc.) is a little off point. Different forms of mass transit should complement each other, not compete with one another. Trolley buses probably would have appropriate roles in many major city transit systems without worrying if they are better than buses or light rail.
Either way, there's a classic example of an area with benefical points to ETB conversions. There's a few routes with the sheer # of buses and usage that would be very effective. What would be the $ figures alone that would be saved on routes like the 14,58,or 20 bus? Let alone routes south of the "FTC". Poles already exist in most places, it would only be like adding an extra wire.
I don't know if you can existing telephone poles, wood or concrete ones, or you need to put new ones up. But how expensive can it be? New powerlines and cables wires are strung up all the time!
Plus, at least it isn't these phoney trolley buses that replaced them, those things seriously give me noise induced headaches.
Perhaps Boston is starting to move things again in a positive ETB direction. I believe the electric trolleys should be operating on the Silver Line between South Station and the new Convention Center area sometime later this year. I saw the wire in place at the Convention Center end of the line during the Motor Bus Society Convention in Boston this past October.
The PCCs on Market Street ("F-line") arrived in 1995. They replaced the 8-Market trolleycoach line. In 1999-2000, the F-line expanded to Pier 39 via Embarcadero and replaced the 32-Embarcadero motorbus line.
GP38 mentions that buses were supposed to replace surface rail service on Market Street, but I believe (could be wrong) that Muni had planned to maintain the surface trackage in the event that the LRT subway was out of service.
And Market Street itself has a lot more transit service than just the F-line. Dozens of bus lines - diesel and trolley - travel Market Street at some point. There are four side-by-side-by-side-by-side lanes of trolley wire - two in each direction. Some routes operate in the inner lane and board at islands every couple blocks (including the PCCs) and other routes (generally the less-busy routes) operate in the outer lanes and stop at the curb.
Should the MTA be playing favorites with languages? If they're willing to put up signs in Spanish, they're leaving out all of the other languages that exist in NYC! What if all the other foreigners started complaining that the MTA isn't doing enough to meet customer needs of people who speak languages OTHER than English and Spanish? What if they feel it's wrong for the MTA to translate signs for the Spanish speakers, but not for anyone else?
Im emergency situations, like when the (7) wasn't running to Main Street at all, the MTA put up handwritten signs in Chinese and Korean as well.
I think the MTA should stop translating signs altogether. All new immigrants should be learning to speak English. Translating everything just tells them that they don't HAVE to learn English, because politically correct companies will try to play down to them by catering to THEIR language.
What's your opinion on this?
Second, variety is what makes cities great. The presence of other langauges - whether you understand them or not - adds to a rich and unique ambience. If you want to hear only English and see only white people, you can go to the suburbs. Cities are places for people, and in today's big cities, those people come from many different backgrounds and bring their traditions, customs, and languages with them. If you take a moment to respect those other cultures, you'll surely come to appreciate them.
And for your information, many immigrants do try to learn English. But English is a ridiculous language, and becoming proficient can be an ongoing process. MTA is wise and considerate for posting information in other languages. It's not fair to "hide" important information from people who don't read English yet.
In emergency situations, like when the (7) wasn't running to Main Street at all, the MTA put up handwritten signs in Chinese and Korean as well.
You're disproving your complaint right here. Obviously, MTA knows its territory linguistically. So they don't play favorites. They post in other languages where it's approriate to do so. In Toronto, one of the most diverse cities in the world, TTC offers transit information in 140 languages! I think it's great.
Incidentally, if you're interested in bus/train scheduling, I highly recommend looking into verbal structures of romance languages (of which Spanish is one). The pattern of conjugating verbs and matching verb tenses is a lot like blocking buses and cutting runs.
You state that our "English only" attitude is a big part of what makes us "disreputable" to much of the rest of the world. First of all, I would challenge that much of the rest of the world finds us disreputable. I'd agree that much of the world finds us arrogant, but I'd venture that only a small number (relatively speaking) think we're disreputable. Further, those who do think we're disreputable probably think so because of our foreign policies, not because of language. I have found that what people in other countries dislike is that a lot of Americans who travel abroad do not attempt to speak the language of the land, but rather expect English to be understood THERE. The feeling is that when we travel to their countries, we should try to speak their language. Well, then, the same should apply here, no?
Having said that, I have nothing against government agencies posting signs in multiple languages. While it is my belief that anyone who chooses to live here should learn English, it's not a legal requirement, and the responsibility of government agencies is to serve ALL the people to the best of their abilities.
I can't claim to be much of a world traveler, but I've been to a few foreign countries whose main language is other than English. When I went to southern France, I noticed that the signs on the buses and railroads were in French. In Italy, the signs were in Italian. It's true that those places where I visited don't have nearly the number of immigrants from foreign lands that New York does, so the need for multi-lingual signage can't be compared to New York's. However, in most places, if you want to live there, you have to know the language. If I wanted to move to France, I would expect to have to know how to speak French. If I wanted to move to Spain, I would expect to have to know how to speak Spanish. I don't think it should be any different here.
Frankly, I think it would be great if the whole world would speak ONE language. While remembering one's cultural roots is important, it would go a long way toward promoting brotherhood if everyone could talk to and understand everyone else. That applies at the local level, too.
Besides, anyone who watches Star Trek knows that by the 23rd century, even people from other star systems will be speaking English! ;-)
All these depot swap proposals do is shuffle deck chairs on the Titanic.
David
That's it, that's all, that's everything. No more depot swap suggestions, please.
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First, the B-8 (since everyone wants to move it) goes to Flatbush. If you look at the schedule, many of the run-ons and run-offs, particularly on week-ends, operate between Rockaway Ave and Nostrand Ave which is a quick deadhead to the Flatbush depot. This is an improvement over the current deadheads between Rockaway Ave and Jackie Gleason. There must be a reason for the Nostrand Ave run-ons/run-offs if someone at TA has not thought of moving the B-8 to Flatbush.
Now, you can not move anything to Flatbush without taking something out. The B-49 would then move to Ulmer Park. Deadheads between Flatbush and Manhattan Beach and Ulmer Park and Manhattan Beach are comparable. Reliefs could be made at Ave U and Ocean Ave having the operators use the B-3 between Ulmer Park and the relief point. Also, the schedules have removed many of the run-ons and run-offs at Avenue R allowing the operators to deadhead from the garage to Manhattan Beach.
Now, you can not move anything to Ulmer Park without taking something out. The B-1 (and maybe the B-4) to Jackie Gleason. There are those who want the B-1 to go to Gleason anyway so here you go.
The number of buses required on the B-8, B-49, and the B-1 are about the same so it is feasible from that standpoint. The B-8 becomes more efficient, the B-49 is probably a wash, and the B-1 becomes less efficient since a majority of ridership is east of Stillwell Ave.
No run-offs or run-ons operate between Rockaway Avenue and Nostrand Avenue. There are some short-turns at Nostrand Avenue during the AM and PM peaks, which provide supplementary service on the eastern end of the line, which is by far the heaviest part.
Similarly, the peak direction on the B49 (at least on weekdays) is southward in the morning and northward in the afternoon. Most of the run-ons to Manhattan Beach are in the afternoon.
David
I also have some of the sort-of HO scale GM Fishbowls, too.
Other items might be added during the week (such as HO scale MCI Renaissance.)
Look for seller "sjh50".
All chance.
It depends what you're going for. I just looked up digital camera's, and well, like you said, the deals aren't that great for what I saw.
Sincerely,
Fred Donaher
(eBay ID: flxible)
B. "Busfan" has a valid point. I've said it before and I'll say it again. Cursing has no place here, except to make the person who does it look immature. It adds NOTHING to the conversation.
David
If you do not like what someone posts here then take it up with powers to be who operate this web page and ask them to take corrective actions
Thank You
ANSWER: 7091-7220 AM Generals/5001-5043 MAN artics at Bladensburg
9501-9576 Neoplans at Southeast
2]Before the arrival of the Flxible Metros, there were two WMATA buses numbered 8800 and 4000. What were they and why they were here?
ANSWER: 8800 was a '68 T6H5305A. 4000 was a '70 Flxible 111Cd-061
They were replacements from NYCTA for two WMATA buses that
were lost while they were loaned to the NYCTA. The two
buses were lost when the pier they were parked on in Staten
Island collapsed in a fire.
3]What was the largest single bus order WMATA made?
ANSWER: The 620 bus order from AM General in 1974 [7000-7499/7500-
7619]
4]In 1979 WMATA was one of the first transit systems to get what type of bus?
ANSWER: MAN Articulated bus. 5001-5043 were 55 feet long.
5]What is the largest, and the smallest WMATA garages?
ANSWER: Bladensburg is the largest, Arlington is the smallest
6]Ride-On was the largest user of what manufacturer's bus?
ANSWER: The TMC Citycruiser Ride-on had 155 of them [5102-5256]
built in two orders in 1980 [32] and 1981 [123].
7]When did Fairfax Connector start operating and where?
ANSWER: In 1985, in the SE corner of Fairfax County [Huntington,
Franconia, Mt. Vernon, Route 1 area]
8]What does CUE stand for?
ANSWER: City-University-Energysaver This is a joint operating entity
between the City of Fairfax, and George Mason University.
Hey I didn't do too bad. Still should have known what CUE stood for.
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I would say the GM New Look holds the record and hope that I can say the same for Flxible ADBs, but at the rate they are getting replaced, I don't see it as likely. They do have an impressive track record of spanning four decades (70s, 80s, 90s, 2000s)...and still look new.
-F.
Also the constant meddling of Federal regulations [designed to placate interest groups, and for changing safety considerations] oftern require the constant replacement of equipment.
Today, a GM Old Look cannot pass Federal muster because of all of the subsequent regulations passed since their manufacture. ADA, Clean Air Act, and other regulations both major and minor would make this model bus quite illegal today.
Remember, regulation [as we know it today] did not exist back in the day. Back then the bus had to meet the bare minimum standards provided by the Federal Gov't, and that's it. Today, that "bare minimum" is about a few thousand pages long.
It is so strange to think of the Fishbowl design as being 45 years old. It looks classic, yet somehow familiarly modern in its own right. That must be why you see so many on TV and in the movies.
-F.
Those are alot more asthetic changes than the New Looks went through, aside from placing a window here or a marker light there. And that's after almost 27 years of production mind you.
Newer RTS models do not have this panel:
-F.
I don't know how good that is considering GM cars were basically junk at the time and even though they've gotten better over the years... their styling is still less than desirable. GM obviously did the right thing with the new-looks and even it's intercity buses, but they lost their way after that. That actually makes since because it was also in the 70's when their cars became slow, inefficient and unreliable.
MetroB
The estimate for a new lane on urban highways for this project sounds WAY low to me.
MetroB
What's next? NYCTA MCI 2905 on the Q44 and Orion 6132 on the X51? ;-)
-Adam
(enynova5205@aol.com)
The Frozen Five survived the day and we had a really fun time. We made the best of a very cold day and had excellent connections so it really limited the amount of time outside.
And don't forget the Zamboni machine we saw at Pentagon!;-)
-Adam
(enynova5205@aol.com)
Everyone sure did hold up ok. I was really concerned this morning, but everyone was gung ho about it so we made the best of it, dressed warmly (minus Chris D. losing his glove), and had a great time.
Maybe I should have warned you about those RIBS routes. They seem to go through every subdivision, house, room in the house and even on the roofs of some houses. I took the RIBS 2 to Herndon P&R from Reston Town Center and it went everywhere. Was nice to hear you had fun in the cold cold weather. Also good to hear no news reports of busfancicles out there, LOL!!!
The all you can ride RIBS only lasted one plateful this time around. : (. Maybe, we can try a different platter the next time we head up to Reston Town Center. We were joking that some of the routing that the RIBS 1 took was political, such as the loop through an apartment building whose main entrance was about 100 feet away from another bus stop on the street. It took longer for us to complete the cirlce than it would for someone to just walk to the main road and catch the bus. That 605 was an interesting route though, and I'd like to take that one again.
Most of the fleet (in NYCT) is kept indoors. The depots are equpiied with overhead industrial heaters that keep the buses warm. In weather like this, the average temperature inside a depot-housed bus would be about 75 degrees, depending upon the area in which it's parked. Warmer directly below a heater, and obviously much cooler away from one.
Buses that are parked outdoors will be started and run by drillers on "fire watch" who ensure the bus will run at the ready for pullout.
Many buses simply won't start in this sort of coldness when stored outdoors. Therefore, the maintenance department will be at the ready to jump-start the bus with air or electricity. Whatever buses cannot be started with this method will be assigned to the BO line and have the battery replaced or externally charged.
How does a depot which CANNOT really store buses indoors, like Gun Hill (which really has only maintainance operations inside the building) manage to keep its many (like 300+ buses I think) from freezing, since they are stored outside at all times, and then driven into the depot for maintainance? will there be enough time for drillers to start every bus?
MetroB
MetroB
MetroB
-Adam
(enynova5205@aol.com, allisonb500r@aol.com)
-Adam
(enynova5205@aol.com, allisonb500r@aol.com)
There are never buses parked outside the limits of QV depot. We do not ever use the street to park a bus. Luckily, we have enough real estate to contain all buses within the property, although not enough to keep them all indoors.
On that note, can anyone tell me where to shoot the ether on a 6V92-powered Flx with DDEC should the need arise? Any help is welcome.
-Fred
My favorite sign reading---37-3rd Av Ft.Hamilton.
BIG AL
http://www.ny1.com/ny/TopStories/SubTopic/index.html?topicintid=1&subtopicintid=1&contentintid=36325
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Regards,
Trevor Logan
TransiTALK Transportation Media Group
I assume the year shown (2004) is the year the contract will be signed. Delivery is not likely for a year or more after that.
As New Flyer is not proposing to manufacture any more high floor buses (as far as I know), it will be interesting to see what type of artics NYCT winds up getting. Perhaps the testing of the Minneapolis low-floor New Flyer artic will help determine the answer.
David
Jackie Gleason in Bklyn, West Farms in the Bronx.
And the Newest addition will be: Manhattanville
It is expected to be completed by the END of 2005.
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MetroB
Since I am a Flxible/Orion Fan I would choose these....
If memory serves me right, I think they were TDH-5101s.
(To bad none of the TA's TDH-4510s survived)
The location was just a little north of the 126 Street Depot.
Regards,
Trevor Logan
TransiTALK Transportation Media Group
The URL will be www.transitalk.info. Once you click into that, you will get a graphics style menu for 3 sites. One for a Site Called Stop Requested, which is taking the place of old transitalk.org, One For The TransiTALK Online Store and the last will be for a TV show airing in the borough of Manhattan called Transit Zone.
Its taking sometime because of all of the expansion going on, also I'm doing some serious staff revamping, getting rid of those that haven't contributed anything and so on.
The will definately be back up in time for our 6 year anniversary!
Regards.
Trevor Logan
TransiTALK Transportation Media Group
My understanding is that NJTransit is rehabbing the Metro B's in-house to get several more years of service out of them.
This would have the B64 travel along the B1 path to Shore Rd & 71st St & the B1 travel along the B64 path but instead of terminating service at 86th St & 4th Av, extend the service to Shore Rd & north along Shore Rd to Shore Rd & 71st St, renumber the B1 to the B86.
David
David
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If anyone does, please post it on Bustalk.
No nonsense posts.
You seem to be the only one. So, what have you heard.
Answers will be posted on Tuesday.
the date on the pic says 1975, if I recall correctly, the RTS did not exist in 1975.
-F.
There is something strange also about the operator's pants.
Regards,
Trevor Logan
TransiTALK Transportation Media Group
-F.
-Adam
(enynova5205@aol.com)
-F.
The uniform is correct for the time, but no Advanced Design Bus was yet being made in production.
-Adam
(enynova5205@aol.com)
BIG AL
-Adam
(enynova5205@aol.com)
BIG AL
-F.
That's not entirely true. Since 1981, all VINs have a model year code. NYBS's first batch of GMDD Fishbowls, though delivered in late 1981, are 1982 models.
According to the delivery list at OMOT, 200 was delivered to Spokane in November, 1978, after having been a demonstrator for NYCTA. Of course, lists aren't always accurate; Big Al may be right that it was '79. I wasn't around yet :).
BIG AL
-F.
BIG AL
-F.
Spotted somewhere in D.C. this previous summer.
I too think that these giants of the road were absolutely gorgeous, optimized the golden age of bus travel....and the heyday of Greyhound. Perhaps they are....the quintessential Greyhound.
I am not sure if any are still in scheduled service, though I would seriously doubt it. I would bet that there are some churches, schools, or private individuals who run them though.
The last known service that I can document through books I have, was Abbott Trailways Co. out of Roanoke (I believe we have an employee of Abbott here on the board maybe he can comment..) There is a very cool pic of a couple of Scenicruisers sitting in a snowy parking lot with a modern looking paint job, photo taken in the "early 80's". That book, by Larry Plachno, is 'Modern Intercity Coaches'
Where did you learn about them and see how they look? On line pics? I'll try to find some pics and e mail em to you if I find interior shots.
Dash 80
I'd just recently learned about Scenicruisers by old Greyhound pictures. They looked so cool, I had to do more research on them.
Something here that you might find interesting; A website dedicated to scenicruisers with chat forums.
www.scenicruiser.com
I really wish GM would bring these back, in a more fuel efficient and powerful form of course. Hell, put a CAT in those things!
-Fred
It was buggin' me.
Yep...the music business and churchs sure ended up with alot of the good ones...they still have alot...but mostly MCI's as far as the churches go, I believe.
E-mail me for more details if you want to find one of the above; I also custom paint these to match your favorite livery.
-F.
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That's probably due to the fact that they have Allison B500R transmissions. All Allison trannies jerk alot compared to Voith, but when you run buses in a system like NYC, where acceleration at low speeds is crucial, Allisons are better.
Da Hui
B1-#9317-NOVABUS
B3-#7520-REMAN RTS
B44 NovaBus #9450
B54 NovaBus #9465
B65 C40LF #905
The Orion VII has only been in production a short time, so there's still plenty of time to make their way to the Island, and/or MTA Regional Bus (or whoever ends up getting the NYCDOT companies).
JD
It did feel wierd riding in the low floor part since everthing was so incredibly high up, and the driver was towering over you. I was disappointed that there was only the regular stop requested sign, instead of the LED info center, like the first orion 7 had.
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5900? UH, oh, will Ride-On have to go into the 6000s soon, or will it just go back to 5100 etc...
Is it Green/Yellow or Blue/White?
100s: Hell Dorados
200s: Fords
lower 300s: 30 ft Gilligs
upper 300s/400s: 35 ft Gilligs
upper 500s/600s: 35 ft Orions, diesel and CNG
700s: 40 footers (Flxible and Orion)
800s: 40 ft CNGs (this is why the Orion VIs got renumbered but the first 3 Orion Vs did not most likely)
900s: Low floor CNGs
The lower 500s and all but 12 200s are still available as are many of the numbers in the 400s, 600s, 700s, 800s, and 900s. Ride-On shouldn't have go worry about abandoning the three digit numbering system it has anytime soon.
Just felt like piling on...
-Adam
(enynova5205@aol.com)
I'd have to go with R142/143Man on the paint scheme of those Ride On O7s; I thought it looked ugly too.
OK -It's fine and dandy if you don't like it, but something like styling is quite subjective.
U G L Y ! ! !
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The first bus is 35 feet long.
Size doesnt mean quality....;-)
Since ours aren't in service yet, I would have to say ours look better (except for the orange destination signs which have yet to win me over).
Sure it can...
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Now go read the thread and figure it out.
-Adam
(enynova5205@aol.com)
Peace,
Kevin
-Adam
(enynova5205@aol.com)
Thanks.
For NYCT buses: Staten Island and Queens Division (except for a few buses such as 4309 and 4461), as well as Mother Hale and some Ulmer Park buses (4497, 9295-9341) have the E-Z Pass on the roof in front of the radio antenna. The giveaway: a flat slanted structure on the roof of the bus that looks like a second antenna. (Some CS Orions have the structure behind the antenna.)
All of the structures are on the roof of the bus, except for QSC, where it is by the front window inside, ahead of the farebox.
-Adam
(enynova5205@aol.com)
-Adam
(enynova5205@aol.com)
Kevin
-Adam
(enynova5205@aol.com)
Kevin
"In fires" is an understatement; completely obliterated in CNG explosions is more like it.
Peace,
Kevin
As I have posted here before...I used to catch the 'Golden Eagle' service...hostess on board those Continental Trailways Eagles..with all the food and beverages and comfort items of a modern day airline flight.
Private did have a couple Pace Orion Is, but for parts only. I think they're gone.
APM is NOT bringing out anything new. I think they gave up the ghost as far as going through the expense of making models.
"You are not authorized to view this page."
Does anyone know if APM is still in business?
Thanks,
Danny
That page seems okay now. Too bad EFE or OOC does not make a New Look in 1/76.
Thanks,
Danny
I just did an "ho bus" search on e-bay and came up with a Pirate model new look. Also saw a "new look" listing, which seems to be that die-cast toy New Look (about 1/72 scale), which at one time was being sold at the Transit Museum store in GCT. The bus has a run-back feature. It is is pleasent to look at, but the wheels are oversized and can ruin the effect. Anybody who is handy could put some correct wheels on and do some nice detailing.
Cheers,
"El Omnibus Ingles"
-F.
Regards
"El Omnibus Ingles"
-F.
Take lots of pictures of these babies now.
-F.
-F.
-F.
Early 2002, for Dallas.
www.regionaltransitservice.com
Jim D.
-F.
I'm not a big Orion fan, but in '93 when the NYCTA rec'd it's first Orions I was so happy to see something else out there. When I go home I routinely pass up the RTS if I can get something else.
On that note, I have a Metro magazine from late 1995 that is chock full of Flxible Metro ads and proclaims them as America's leading bus manufacturer in several articles. The front cover is one of beauty; it features a Metro E sitting proudly in NYCTA colors with the WTC in the background. If only both had survived....
-Fred
Amazingly, by the end of next year RTS buses will comprise only 40% of the MBTA fleet after all of those new NABI and Neoplan buses are in service. Quite a change from their dominance since the early 90's.
Jim D.
Routes Still Using RTS:
Operated By Laidlaw Transit (35xx and 45xx)
51, 59, 60, 67, 80, 90, 106, 122, 138, 170, 186
Operated By ATC/Phoenix Transit North Division (44xx and 45xx)
35, 44, 106
Operated By ATC/Phoenix Transit South Division (44xx and 45xx)
10, 16, 50
Operated By ATC Phoenix (44xx)
61, 72, 81, 112, 156
The RTS Design should be revived. Perfered by a American Firm.
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2]Before the arrival of the Flxible Metros, there were two WMATA buses numbered 8800 and 4000. What were they and why they were here?
ANSWER: 8800 was a '68 T6H5305A. 4000 was a '70 Flxible 111Cd-061
They were replacements from NYCTA for two WMATA buses that
were lost while they were loaned to the NYCTA. The two
buses were lost when the pier they were parked on in Staten
Island collapsed in a fire.
3]What was the largest single bus order WMATA made?
ANSWER: The 620 bus order from AM General in 1974 [7000-7499/7500-
7619]
4]In 1979 WMATA was one of the first transit systems to get what type of bus?
ANSWER: MAN Articulated bus. 5001-5043 were 55 feet long.
5]What is the largest, and the smallest WMATA garages?
ANSWER: Bladensburg is the largest, Arlington is the smallest
6]Ride-On was the largest user of what manufacturer's bus?
ANSWER: The TMC Citycruiser Ride-on had 155 of them [5102-5256]
built in two orders in 1980 [32] and 1981 [123].
7]When did Fairfax Connector start operating and where?
ANSWER: In 1985, in the SE corner of Fairfax County [Huntington,
Franconia, Mt. Vernon, Route 1 area]
8]What does CUE stand for?
ANSWER: City-University-Energysaver This is a joint operating entity
between the City of Fairfax, and George Mason University.
I believe I also saw a corrected sign on the 3B, meaning that Arlington also fixed theirs.
-F.
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-F.
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Buses rode:
63038, 21 to New Carrolton-this bus is known(to me only)as the official W.E.S. bus, I get this thing practically everytime I head to New carrolton.
9728, F6 to the U of MD
4039, C2 to Wheaton
5717, 34 to Bethesda
2140, J2 to Montgomery Mall
5551, 47 to Rockville
5534, 63 to Shady Grove
5559, 55 Lakeforest
4399, J8 to Bethesda
4042, J4 to College Park
2049, F6 to New Carrolton-missing sneeze guard behind rear doors
9361, F14 to home-this buses back door didn't work, and it made a strange deceleration sound
Observations:
Finally saw 9221 laying over at Silver Spring
Saw 5705 heading towards Silver Spring
4042 was a rare thing to see on the J4, they usually use 9200s, and repowers.
Seeing a 2100 series on the J9. I would think that the 4400s would run this route since they are no longer needed on the Smartmover. As a matter of fact didn't see any 4400s at all today.
Saw both 5546 and 47. I got a pic of 5547
5806 has a dent which I think might have been there for at least a month.
Might have seen 8974 on the F8. If that is so, that means that the Cummins 89s are all back at Landover, YEA!!!
Other items:
Went to Ride On headquarters looked at the old photos of their THE BUS type buses, made various THE BUS jokes about THE BUS buying those old RIDE ON bus wannabees, and talked with Chris G(rideonrules) and Nick for a bit.
I was trying to see the Orion VII that came in didn't get to, it either was in the garage or somewhere I couldn't see it.
Oh well, I will be on another one tomorrow, to Arlington to take some pics of the Arlington O-5s, hopefully getting a pic of 4214, a rehabbed O-5 with an LED sign.
I saw something like sort of got me steamed. I saw a CAGV on the 21 and it was packed. I can understand an SLF, or a Chumpion, even an ODV, but a CAGV.
On Saturday, 1/10/04, Orion bus # 174 was spotted in revenue service on the BX 12 route. This route has been practically 100% served by the Artics for the past few years.
I made sure that the bus was not dead heading back to Gun Hill. I couldn't believe it at first, but sure enough there it was taking on passengers. This was about 3:45 pm.
I guess they were a little short on artics back on Saturday. Or maybe they had a hard time starting with the frigid weather we had. :-)
Thanks.
Da Hui
:)
-Adam
(enynova5205@aol.com)
-F.
-F.
Did someone say the ADB bus? Didn't that one have tiny wheels and was too expensive for either Flx or GM to build. The RTS and the 870 were derivatives of the idea.
Here goes:
I do think there was a stop on the bus schedule in Manorville also, maybe near the old station site. Not a hundred percent sure on that though.
I have an old set of LIRR schedules from 1974. There was no "Montauk Branch" schedule at that time. It was called "Eastern Long Island", and had the Montauk Branch from Bellport to Montauk (Bay Shore to Patchogue was in the Babylon Branch schedule), and the mainline from Holtsville to Greenport on it (similar to the "City Zone Schedule", clumping the western stations together). Anyway, in 1974, apparently Manorville was already abandoned as a station as it is not listed. It does list Calverton, Jamesport, and Cutchogue yet though. The schedule has the Riverhead to Greenport mostly as the conecting bus service from Babylon.
And if anyone thinks east of KO service is bad now, there was only ONE train in each direction between Holtsville and Greenport. So the stations between Holtsville and Calverton only got ONE train each way, and they didn't even get the few buses that took care of Riverhead to Greenport, out of Babylon, where the buses started. That;s why they are on a skinny line in the scan below.
The Montauk Branch did not fair to much better. The stations between Bellport to Montauk only got 3 trains a day, with the rest of the service also provided by the buses out of Babylon.
So as bad as service seems now, it was much worse in the early 70's, and in the 60's as ntrainride mentioned. Below, see a photo of the "Eastern Long Island" schedule cover, and a thumbnail link to the "sheds" that ntrainride remember at Manorville. (The one below was taken at Calverton some years after the station was abandoned)
Calverton abandoned station site:
For what it's worth, the branch is the original route of the original Long Island Rail Road. To see trains still making the journey is heartening.
They used GMC subruban "fishbowl" buses, about ten of them total. They were numbered 367 to 375, and there was also a 501. The buses were marked "Owner: Soundside Country Day Camp / Operator: Huntington Coach Lines" in the first few years, and later that was changed to "Owner / Operator Huntington Coach Lines".
The buses were all painted in a very attractive looking orange and grey livery to match LIRR's train livery of the 1960's, but the buses did NOT have any "Dashing Dan" logos on them like the trains.
I actually painted a Corgi O scale bus in the LIRR livery, and sold it off on EBay. it now resides in Montreal, Quebec.
I just read the Q88 bus schedule and I noticed something. The Q88 makes a left on Junction Blvd and then a right on 62nd Dr, right on Queens Blvd and then another right on 59th Av. Where does the Q88 drop off passengers and sit? I know the first stop is on the corner of 59th Av and 92nd St. Why the change? Also, since when can you transfer to the X51 at Junction Blvd? I'm sorry if I'm behind but it's been a while since I've been on the Q88. Thanks in advance!
Ray
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Peace
David
Those of us who comply with the regulation stand around the corner, just before the first stop at the rear end of the block (behind McDonalds). Then pull into the stand for boarding.
I was wondering if the Q31, X63 and X64 have been switched? I know it was suppose to happen BUT I just forgot when. Thanks in advance.
Ray
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Regards,
Trevor Logan
Here are two teaser photos to wet your appetite:
ENJOY!
Either way, very decent pics, who's that in the rear door mirror though?
:)
and the pole directly in front of you, is that a stop request button trigger? For wheelchairs I assume, but I haven't seen one of those buttons since SEPTA, I like hitting the a lot better than the cords.
But anyway, as far as the computerized "ding" goes on brand new buses, I like the way they do it on NABI, with the 2 second delay. I'm trying to figure out exactly how it works on the Gillig Advantage, if you do it a certain way, you get it ding ding twice.
I wonder how the driver doesn't zone it out though and get distracted, if it wasnt' for a dashboard light, i could see myself doozing off and not pay attention.
Depending on the type of route, the driver knows where people get off and on and will stop even if the bell isn't pulled.
But anyway, as far as the computerized "ding" goes on brand new buses, I like the way they do it on NABI, with the 2 second delay. I'm trying to figure out exactly how it works on the Gillig Advantage, if you do it a certain way, you get it ding ding twice.
I wonder how the driver doesn't zone it out though and get distracted, if it wasnt' for a dashboard light, i could see myself doozing off and not pay attention.
AcelaExpress2005 - R160
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If he says anything interesting when I listen to the webcast tomorrow afternoon or evening, I will post it here.
Yep, in Manhattan I think the M12, M13, M17, M19, M24, M25, M26, M28 (love that bus route...Whew!), M29, M32, M33, M36, M37, M38 and M38 LIMITED (can't forget that one), M39, M40, M41 (ah, I think the people that ride the "Culture Loop will have a surprise...LOL) and the M43.
In the Bronx, the Bx23, Bx37, Bx38, Bx43, Bx44, Bx45, Bx46, Bx47, Bx48 (That bus route is great...has anyone been on that one yet?), Bx49, Bx50, Bx51, Bx52, Bx53, Bx54 and Bx56 (another "Cultural Loop").
I hope that helps Busfan! So, enjoy and remember the MTA is going your way. Well, then again....
Ray
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Ray
RESPECT THE BUSES OF NEW YORK CITY!!!!!!
but anyway, I just got a camera today, and here's the first pic i took right outside of BigLots(cheap batteries to turn it on!).
http://techno79.20m.com/PSTA/how/Pict0006.jpg
Now if only I could've made more than one look good.....the Fall sun is a nightmare.
BIG AL
Now if only I had the ability to travel the way I want to(or did briefly). Some of these sites are getting stale to me now locally.
;)
Too bad I didn't get a pic of this one bus though, the readerboard thing read: "19 Manhatten" that would've been ironic on here.
Note: If you see a (A) next to a route that means that particular line sees periodical articulated buses
Effective As of TODAY!
1999 Orion 05.501 #6111 on Southern Boulevard in The Bronx on the Bx19 Line.
NYCT Queens Division
Casey Stengel Depot
Routes: Q12, Q13, Q14, Q15, Q16, Q26, Q27, Q28, Q32 (w/MJQ), Q44/20, Q48, Q74, Q76, X32, X51
Number of Buses: 244
2000 New Flyer D45S: 996-998. (3X)
2002 MCI D4500: 2897-2907. (11X)
1993 Orion V: 101-119, 122, 138, 144, 146, 154, 227-232, 256-316. (91)
1994 Orion V: 401. (1)
1995 Orion V: 404, 425, 452-456, 535-542, 544-580, 623-630. (61)
1996 Orion V: 631-680. (50)
1999 Orion V: 6120-6141. (22)
Out of Service: 400 (Fire), 312 (Accident), 6136 (Accident).
Training Buses: 228, 580
Museum: 1000/8602 (1966 Blitz/GMC).
Jamaica Depot
Routes: Q3, Q4, Q5, Q17, Q42, Q77, Q84, Q85, X63, X64
Number of Buses: 193
2002 MCI D4500: 2853-2881. (29X)
1984 GMC RTS: 3469. (1)
1986 GMC RTS: PA4309, PA4335, PA4336, PA4340, PA4344, 4345-4347, 4352, 4494, 4499, 4509, 4538, 4555, 4558-4561, 4564, 4568-4571, 4575-4577, 4579-4582, 4584, 4585, 4589, 4594. (34)
1987 TMC RTS: 4851, 4878. (2)
1996 Nova RTS: 8939-8978, 9051, 9053-9056, 9065, 9070, 9072-9073, 9262-9269, 9278-9281, 9285, 9291, 9345-9349. (68)
1998 Nova RTS: 9535-9568. (34)
1999 Nova RTS: 5145-5169. (25)
Out of Service: 2877, 4579
Training Buses: 4564, 4571, 5169. Museum: 1059 (1961 GM-TDH 5301)
Queens Village Depot
Routes: Q1, Q2, Q30, Q31, Q36, Q43, Q46, Q75, Q79, Q83, Q88, X32 (w/CS), X68
Number of Buses: 238
2002 MCI D4500: 2882-2896. (15X)
1995 Orion V: 505-534, 611-622. (42)
1985 GMC RTS: 4019. (1)
1986 GMC RTS: PA4308, PA4334, 4461, 4484, 4501, 4508. (6)
1990 TMC RTS: 8352, 8355-8396. (43)
1996 Nova RTS: 9250-9252, 9253, 9254-9259, 9260-9261, 9286-9290, 9292-9294. (20)
1998 Nova RTS: 9350-9381. (32)
1999 Nova RTS: 4900-4944. (45)
1996 GMC RTS Reman: 7002-7006, 7008-7016, 7018-7037. (34)
Training Buses: 532, 533, 4916, 8357, 9352.
Museum: 3100 (1956 GMC); 100 (1959 GMC); 5117 (1964 Flxible); 4727(1970 Flxible)
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2000 New Flyer C40LF Low Floor #930 on Brighton Beach Avenue in Brooklyn on the B68 Line.
NYCT Brooklyn Division
East New York Depot
Routes: B7, B12, B14, B15, B17, B20 (w/FP), B25, B42, B45, B51, B60, B82, B83, Q24, Q56
Number of Buses: 286
1986 GMC RTS: 4360, 4393, 4394, 4408, 4410, 4411, 4413, 4418, 4421, 4422, 4424, 4425, 4428, 4430, 4543. (15)
1987 TMC RTS: 4629, 4632, 4635, 4637, 4638, 4641, 4642, 4649, 4669, 4674, 4872, 4890, 4891. (13)
1990 TMC RTS: 8047, 8063, 8077, 8079, 8088, 8091-8097, 8100-8129, 8201, 8340-8350. (54)
1993 TMC RTS: 8449-8450, 8453, 8455-8457, 8460. (7)
1994 TMC RTS: 8694-8703. (10)
1996 Nova RTS: 8899-8923, 8925, 8927-8929, 8931-8936, 8938, 9030-9033, 9035, 9036, 9040-9041, 9052, 9057-9064, 9066-9069, 9071, 9074-9076. (62)
1999 Nova RTS: 4945-5024, 5205-5249. (125)
Police: PA1712, 3922.
MUSEUM: 313(1917 Double Decker)
Training Bus: 4949
Flatbush Depot
Routes: B2, B31, B41, B44, B46, B47, B49
Number of Buses: 283
1985 GMC RTS: 4214, 4215. (2)
1986 GMC RTS: PA4301, PA4302, 4437, 4439, 4440, 4441, 4444, 4446, 4450. (9)
1987 TMC RTS: 4600, 4602, 4604, 4614, 4616, 4618-4628, 4643-4645, 4654-4657, 4814, 4822. (25)
1990 TMC RTS: 8018-8029, 8031-8032, 8035, 8040, 8045-8046, 8066, 8073-8074, 8088, 8130, 8137-8138, 8140, 8142-8146, 8148-8150, 8154, 8156, 8159, 8162-8165, 8317-8330, 8332-8339. (64)
1993 TMC RTS: 8401-8439, 8441, 8443-8444, 8447-8448. (44)
1998 Nova RTS: 9382-9458. (77)
1999 Nova RTS: 5075-5124. (50)
1997 GMC RTS Reman: 7000, 7500-7510. (12)
Out of Service: 8143 (Engine), 9393 (Accident)
Training Bus: 5080, 5084, 8026, 8324, 8337
Fresh Pond Depot
Routes: B13, B20 (w/ENY), B24, B26, B38, B39, B48, B52, B54, B57, Q54, Q55, Q58, Q59
Number of Buses: 251
1987 TMC RTS: 4676, 4681, 4686, 4696, 4699, 4701, 4702, 4704-4710, 4712-4717, 4719, 4720, 4722-4725, 4728, 4729, 4731-4734, 4736-4739, 4745-4749, 4833. (42)
1990 TMC RTS: 8000-8008, 8010-8013, 8015-8017, 8132-8136, 8139, 8141, 8147, 8151-8153, 8155, 8157-8158, 8160-8161, 8166, 8168-8171. (38)
1993 TMC RTS: 8518-8566. (49)
1996 Nova RTS: 9140-9175. (36)
1998 Nova RTS: 9459-9487, 9569-9605. (66)
1999 Nova RTS: 5055-5074. (20)
Out of Service: 4695 (Scrap), 4721 (Scrap), 8009 (Scap).
NYC Mobile Bus Command Center: 4149 (1985 RTS-04)
Training Bus: 8131, 8141, 8169, 9591.
The Jackie Gleason Depot
Routes: B8, B9, B11, B16, B23, B35, B37, B43, B61, B63, B65, B67, B68, B69, B70, B71, B75, B77
Number of Buses: 321
1999 New Flyer C40LF: 800-856. (57)
2000 New Flyer C40LF: 857-989. (133)
1994 Orion V CNG: 317. (1)
1995 Orion V CNG: 581-610. (30)
2002 Orion VII CNG: 7560, 7562-7652. (92)
1987 TMC RTS: 4646, 4647, 4648, 4658, 4660, 4664, 4667, 4668. (8)
Out of Service: 4671 (Scrap), 7560 (@ Orion)
MetroCard Sales: 1291, PA2504 (Two 1981 GM-RTS-04s)
Training Bus: 949.
Museum: 1201 (1981 GMC), 2969/4789 (1948 GMC), 3758 (1963 GMC), 5227/4401 (1970 GMC), 6259 (1956 Mack), 8466 (1966 GMC), 8928 (1968 GMC).
Hospital Audiences Buses: PA1848, 4219
Ulmer Park Depot
Routes: B1, B3, B4, B6, X25, X27/37, X28/38, X29, B36, B64, B74, F Shuttle
Number of Buses: 290
2000 MCI D4500: 2755-2804. (50X)
2001 MCI D4500: 2165-2209. (45X)
2002 MCI D4500: 2908-2924. (17X)
1985 GMC RTS: 3962, 3969, 3970. (3)
1986 GMC RTS: PA4330, PA4331, PA4332, 4452, 4458, 4468, 4497. (7)
1987 TMC RTS: 4650-4651, 4663, 4665, 4672, 4673, 4677, 4682-4684, 4694, 4756, 4759, 4762, 4764, 4767, 4769, 4771-4772, 4774-4775, 4777-4783, 4785-4787, 4789-4790, 4854-4855, 4857, 4858, 4860-4861, 4863, 4865-4867, 4869. (43)
1994 TMC RTS: 8671-8693. (23)
1996 Nova RTS: 9077-9110, 9176-9185, 9295-9341. (91)
1996-98 GMC RTS Reman: 7512, 7518-7524, 7528, 7531, 7533. (11)
Out of Service: 2763 (Accident), 4862 (Scrap), 9317.
@ Zerega: 2185 (damaged at WTC--to be re-stored/repainted).
Training Buses: 8678, 8679, 9100, 9302
Museum: 236 (1980 Grumman 870)
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2003 Orion 07.501 Low Floor #7610 on Stillwell Avenue in Brooklyn on the B68 Line.
NYCT Staten Island Division
Castleton Depot
Routes: S40/90, S42, S46/96, S48/98, S51/81, S52, S53/93, S54, S57, S60, S62/92, S66/67, S76/86, S78, X10/11, X12/42, X13, X14, X16, X18, X20, X22, X30, X31
Number of Buses: 330
1993 Orion V: 121, 123-132, 134, 137, 139, 162, 165, 166-172. (23)
1995 Orion V: 471-472, 474-504. (33)
1999 Orion V: 6142-6266. (125)
1998 MCI 102DL3: 1952-1997, 1999-2039. (87X)
1999 MCI 102DL3: 2040-2074. (35X)
2002 MCI D4500: 2825-2852. (27X)
NYPD: 3307 (1986 GMC-RTS 06 #4505).
Yukon Depot
Routes: S44/94, S55/56, S59, S61/91, S74/84, S79, X1-9, X15, X17/19
Number of Buses: 379
1999 Orion V: 6267-6349. (83)
1998 MCI 102DL3: 1860-1951. (92X)
1999 MCI 102DL3: 2075-2139. (65X)
2000 MCI D4500: 2705-2754. (50X)
2001 MCI D4500: 2140-2164. (25X)
2001 MCI D4500: 2805-2824. (20X)
1985 GMC RTS: 3901, 3949, 4129. (3)
1986 GMC RTS: PA4342, 4390. (2)
1987 TMC RTS: 4741, 4743, 4744, 4754, 4755, 4893-4897. (10)
1990 TMC RTS: 8293-8315. (23)
1996-98 GMC RTS Reman: 7017, 7043-7047, 7049. (6)
Out of Service: 6343 (Accident), 4380 (Scrap), 4742 (Scrap)
At Carlton Yard: 1908, 1936, 2100, 2139, 2161
Training Buses: 8299, 8300.
Museum: 2151 (1962 GMC), 7340 (1973 Flxible)
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1987 TMC RTS-06 #4849 on Southern Boulevard in The Bronx as a Swing Bus.
NYCT/MaBSTOA Manhattan Division
126th Street Depot
Standard Routes: M31, M35 (A), M57 (A), M66, M116 (A)
Artic Routes: M15
Number of Buses: 171
2003 New Flyer D60HF: 5594-5612, 5614-5618, 5620-5638, 5640-5683. (87)
1990 TMC RTS: 8212-8220, 8222, 8225, 8227, 8229, 8232-8233, 8236-8238. (18)
1993 TMC RTS: 8440, 8442, 8445, 8446, 8451, 8452, 8454, 8458, 8459, 8461-8517. (66)
Training Buses: 8454, 8458.
100th Street Depot
Routes: M86, M101-103
Number of Buses: 120
1997 New Flyer D60HF: 1000-1033. (34)
2002 New Flyer D60HF: 5510-5559. (50)
2003 New Flyer D60HF: 5560-5593, 5619, 5639. (36)
Training Bus: 1025.
Manhattanville Depot
Routes: M3, M4, M5, M10, M11, M18, M104
Number of Buses: 240
1998 Orion VI HEV: 6350-6353. (4)
2000 Orion VI HEV: 6359. (1)
1990 TMC RTS: 8240-8242, 8244-8250, 8252-8253, 8256, 8258-8261, 8263-8264, 8266, 8269, 8270, 8272, 8275, 8276, 8282-8284, 8286, 8290-8292. (32)
1995 Nova RTS: 8750-8751. (2)
1996 Nova RTS: 8752-8777. (26)
1998 Nova RTS: 9488-9534, 9606-9654. (96)
1999 Nova RTS: 5025-5054, 5125-5144, 5170-5204. (85)
Museum: 7144 (1956 GMC), 9098 (1956 GMC)
Training Buses: 5134, 8800, 9488, 9618.
Michael J. Quill Depot
Standard Routes: M6, M8, M9, M14 (A), M16/34, M20, M21, M22, M27/50, M30, M42, M72, M96/106, M98, Q32 (w/CS), X26, X90
Articulated Routes: M23, M79
Number of Buses: 305
1997 New Flyer D60HF: 1034-1069. (36)
1999 New Flyer D60HF: 5407. (1)
2003 New Flyer D60HF: 5715-5722, 5724-5733. (18)
1993 Orion V: 120, 133, 135-136, 140-143, 145, 147-153, 155-161, 163-164. (25)
1990 TMC RTS: 8173, 8178, 8179, 8191, 8198, 8200, 8202, 8203, 8207, 8209, 8221, 8228, 8230, 8231, 8234, 8235, 8251, 8254, 8255, 8257, 8265, 8267, 8268, 8271, 8280, 8285, 8287-8289, 8351, 8353-8354. (30)
1994 TMC RTS: 8600-8670. (71)
1996 Nova RTS: 8924, 8926, 8979-9029, 9034, 9037-9039, 9042-9050, 9186-9225, 9270-9272, 9273, 9274-9277, 9282-9284, 9342-9344. (105, 14)
1997 GMC RTS Reman: 7038-7042. (5)
Out of Service: 4810 (Scrap), 8278 (Scrap).
Training Buses: 1056, 8600, 8601, 8643, 8662.
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2003 New Flyer D60HF "Galaxy" Articulated #5689 on Broadway in The Bronx on the Bx9 Line.
MaBSTOA Bronx Division
Gun Hill Depot
Standard Routes: BX25/26, BX28 (A), BX29, BX30, BX34
Articulated Routes: BX4, BX5, BX12, BX22, BX39, BX40/42, BX55
Number of Buses: 252
1999 New Flyer D60HF: 5250-5406, 5408-5421. (171)
1993 Orion V: 173-212, 240. (41)
1999 Orion V: 6111-6119. (9)
1987 TMC RTS: 4611, 4612. (2)
1996 Nova RTS: 8891-8898, 9229-9249. (29)
Sotred: 3906, PA4325, 7548, 8065.
Museum: 2124 (1938 Yellow Coach Double Decker)
Training Buses: PA2342 (1981 GMC), 240, 4400, 5250.
Kingsbridge Depot
Standard Routes: BX3, BX7, BX10, BX13, BX16, BX18, BX20, BX32, M100 (A)
Articulated Routes: BX1, BX2, BX9, BX41
Number of Buses: 258
1998 New Flyer D60HF: 1070-1074. (5)
1999 New Flyer D60HF: 5422-5509. (88)
2003 New Flyer D60HF: 5685-5714. (30)
1987 TMC RTS: 4609, 4797, 4803, 4845, 4853. (5)
1996 Nova RTS: 8807-8890. (84)
1998 Nova RTS: 9655-9699. (45)
Out of Service: 3562 (Scrap), 4615 (Scrap), 5455 (Fire), 5492 (Accident)
Training Buses: 8854-8856, 9655.
Mother Clara Hale Depot
Routes: M1, M2, M7, M60, BX33
Number of Buses: 132
1993 Orion V: 213-226, 233-239, 241-255. (36)
1998 Orion V: 6000. (1)
1999 Orion V: 6001-6090. (89)
1999 Orion VI HEV: 6354. (1)
2000 Orion VI HEV: 6355-6358. (4)
Training Buses: 250, 6010, 6028, 6070.
West Farms Depot
Standard Routes: BX6, BX8, BX11, BX14, BX15, BX17, BX21, BX27, BX31, BX35, BX36 (A)
Articulated Routes: BX19
Number of Buses: 251
1998 New Flyer D60HF: 1075-1109. (35)
1995 Orion V: 402-403, 405-424, 426-451, 457-470. (62)
1999 Orion V: 6091-6110. (20)
2002 Orion VII: 7655, 7657, 7659-7663, 7665, 7667-7668, 7670-7673, 7675. (15)
1986 GMC RTS: 4453. (1)
1987 TMC RTS: 4609, 4795, 4798, 4801, 4809, 4811, 4835, 4841, 4842. (7)
1990 TMC RTS: 8033, 8036, 8038, 8039, 8041-8044, 8048, 8050, 8052-8053, 8055, 8060, 8062, 8064, 8080, 8082-8084, 8086-8087, 8089, 8172, 8174-8177, 8180-8185, 8187-8190, 8192-8197, 8199, 8205, 8210, 8211. (48)
1996 Nova RTS: 8776-8806, 8930, 8937, 9111-9139, 9226-9228. (65)
1997 GMC RTS Reman: 7545. (1)
Training Buses: 461.
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1995 Orion 05.501 #420 on Boston Road in The Bronx on the Bx21 Line.
Buses Removed From Service
CARLTON YARD
Carlton Avenue & Atlantic Avenue, Brooklyn
45 Buses
RTS & Orions: 473, 3474, 3893, 3965, 4400, 4548, 4799, 4805, 4829, 4849, 4859, 7513, 7517, 7526, 7535, 7538, 7543, 7551, 7557, 8014, 8030, 8037, 8047, 8051, 8058, 8059, 8061, 8064, 8204, 8206, 8208, 8211, 8224, 8226, 8262, 8274, 8277, 8281, 8331.
MCI: 1908, 1936, 2100, 2139, 2161, 2877.
CROSSTOWN STORAGE YARD
Commercial & Box Streets, Brooklyn
21 Buses
RTS & Orions: 3529, 4163, PA4320, 4451, 4520, 4552, 4811, 4873, 4877, 4883, 7537, 7539-7540, 7542, 7544, 7547, 7550, 7553, 7554, 7558, 7559.
MTA NYC TRANSIT TRAINING FACILITY
Zerega CMF
1985 RTS: 3959, 3980, 4117. (3)
215th STREET YARD
W.215th Street & 10th Avenue, New York, NY
1987-90 RTS: 4449, 4844, 8034, 8054, 8056, 8057, 8067, 8070, 8071, 8072, 8076, 8078, 8081, 8186. (13)
AMSTERDAM DEPOT
1984-87 RTS: 3503, 3972, 4115, 4218, 4886. (5)
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Ray
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-Adam
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Have you heard from NYCT on what bus routes (as of right now) are planning to go to Maspeth Bus Depot when it opens in a few years.
And please, if anyone else post any comments on this, DON'T use the F*** word or any other curse word.
A message intended for only one person should be conveyed by e-mail, not posted in a public forum.
[Have you heard from NYCT on what bus routes (as of right now) are planning to go to Maspeth Bus Depot when it opens in a few years.]
You've already asked this question (several times), and the answer has NOT changed: NYCT doesn't have ANY route assignment plans reflecting Mapeth Depot, because it's still far too early to make such plans. (The new depot hasn't even been designed yet; that process should take at least a year, followed by construction.)
There's your response. Please stop belaboring the Maspeth question.
BTW are you a new poster, I have never heard of you before and if you are welcome to BUSTALK.
Can anyone "shed some light" on why some of the signs have such small lettering? Is it just that whoever is in charge didn't care about the size of the letters? Or is there a reason for having them small? Seems to me that bigger would be better. Any info appreciated.
But the funniest came near the end when someone who worked for WMATA, who is now retired, called into complain about PG bus service and to be more exact THE BUS. Now that had me rolling in the isles for a bit and everytime I think about it I just crack up.
If anyone, particularly DC area busfans want to view the interview with Dick White, just read Oren's post yesterday to get the details. I was just listening wasn't really going to call in but I might send in my proposal for that tax plan to see if it would work.
THE BUS, SO MANY JOKES, SO LITTLE TIME.
30: Friendship Heights to Eastern Market*
31: Friendship Heights to Archives, LIMITED STOPS ONLY*
32/34/35/36: Keep southern terminals, potential northern terminals could be GU, Laffyette Square, Rosslyn, and Farragut Square.
*Another idea for the NW part of the route:
B10 (formerly 30): Friendship Heights to Eastern Market
B11 (reincarnated): Medical Center to Rosslyn
B13: Friendship Heights or Medical Center to Archives
WMATA 30 and Ride-On 42: Eliminated
The B10 and B11 would make all stops at all times. The B13 would be a limited and would run all day weekdays. The B10 would run from 5:30 AM to 2 AM, as the current buses do. The B11 would definately run from 6 AM to 8 PM every day and maybe even later and on weekends, too. When the B11 doesn't run, the B10 could be extended to Medical Center or at least to Bethesda.
Another idea for my 30 and B10 would be to have them terminate at Union Station or L'Enfant Plaza.
First I grabbed Orion V 4268 on the F14 to Capitol Heights. Then I grabbed CNG New Flyer 2330 on the 97 to Union Station then CNG New Flyer 2337 on the D6 to Farragut Square. I just missed my 38B to Ballston and had to wait another 30 minutes to get another one. I got Orion VI 2000 to Ballston, waited there awhile and took some pics. I saw 9279 on the 24P, which seemed odd to see a non-wheelchair lift during the midday. I didn't see 4214 or really any rehabs on my trip overall. After lunch I grabbed Orion V 4383 on the 25B to Landmark. After stopping at work just to see what was going on, I left and grabbed FFX Connector Orion V 7882(306) to the Pentagon and then grabbed WMATA Orion V 4228(16J) to Pentagon City to try and take some pics of the PIKE RIDE buses. I only got one pic and saw 2026, a non PIKE RIDE bus on the PIKE RIDE route. I then grabbed Orion VI 2064 on the 9A to Huntington and personal opinion, they need to seriously think of increasing frequency on this route. Most of the time the bus was packed and when it got to Huntington there was about 20 people waiting to catch that bus and usually when I do grab this route, the bus does get packed around old town Alexandria and especially around Huntington. Anyways grabbed FFX Connector Orion V 7769(109) to Springfield, buswatched a little, took a couple of pics and then got FFX Connector Orion V 7870(110) to King Street and got a Flxible D(9820) on the N11 to Branch Avenue, which got fairly decent patronage, that trip at least. I got to Branch Avenue and quickly(I mean quickly, the bus was leaving as I got there) got Orion V 4219 on the C14 to Naylor Road. Here is where I saw where Montgomery's 4400s went. Some still had the smartmover markings on it. Saw 4401 on the C11. I got to Naylor Road and just missed my F14 Connection, an Orion 6, but got another one 30 minutes later being 2097 which took me home. I know when I take my next vacation which is in two weeks I will go to places where Orion Vs dont' exist, Richmond and Delaware. It will be interesting to see what some other buses sound like and ride like.
WMATA-1991, 1998, 2000 Orion Vs, 1999 Orion IIs, and 2000 Orion VIs
PRTC-2000 Orion V surburbans
DASH-2002, 2003 Orion Vs and 1991? Orion Is
Fairfax Connector-1998, 2000, 2002 Orion Vs and 80s Orion Is
Ride On-1992?, 1994, 1995, 1999, 2001-02 Orion Vs, 1995, 2000 Orion V CNGs, 1995 Orion VI CNGs, 1991 Orion Is and currently in delivery of 2003 Orion VIIs
All together the Orions most likely out number the Flxibles that run for WMATA and University of Maryland and the Orion Vs by far outnumber all other bus types combined other than the Flxible Metros. Gillig is a WAY distant second.
If you want another Onion-free stop on your vacation, and you're heading to Delaware, you may want to spend a little time in SEPTA territory. It may be one of your last chances to see the Neo 40-fts in service as they'll be all gone by 2006 (assuming SEPTA sticks to it's plan, which is no certainty).
SEPTA
Stupid
Enough (to)
Prevent
Token
Acquisition
-F.
http://groups.msn.com/thetransitalkcommunity/bostonmbtabuses.msnw?Page=Last
I took these not long ago, last week...
Incognito
West Farms Kid
-F.
The interior shot, a lot of the design seems to be borrowed from the Gillig. Middle door placement so there's plenty of high level seating(seems like people fight for those seats), along with that middle seat that's neither high nor low.
Floor would look better if it had those "channels" in it, or whatever they are called, instead of the smooth dirty surface, I think.
Nice photos. The interior shot reminded me how disappointed I was that MBTA chose all-plastic hard seats for these otherwise very nice NABI's. The Neoplan artics have hard cloth inserts like the recent NYCT buses (but with a nicer design), so it's a shame the NABI's don't have the cloth seats too.
By the way, if anyone gets up to Boston to see the NABI's, I believe all of them operate out of the Arborway garage. Forest Hills Station (Orange Line), a short walk from Arborway, is probably one of the best places to see and ride them. The Neoplan artics are generally found on the Silver Line (special paint job) and on the 39 bus (regular MBTA paint).
The NABI's will soon be operating out of Cabot garage as well. Popular bus-watching locations such as Forest Hills, Ruggles, Ashmont and Mattapan will almost be completely NABI except for the few routes run from other garages (Albany St. buses at Ruggles, Quincy buses at Ashmont and Mattapan). Dudley will also be all NABI except for the Silver Line.
Jim D.
Forest Hills, indeed, is the place to get all ur NABI shots...
and Cabot is next!!!
South Boston's turn to get decent buses...
but when those Neoplan 35- and 40-foot low floors come in, it will be NORTH Boston's turn, since those buses will be based out of Fellsway, Lynn, Quincy, and possibly Charlestown garage, all serving areas like SUllivan Square, Malden Square, Oak Grove, Chelsea, Everett, and Cambridge.
Incognito
The West Farms Kid
Albany St. - RTS
Arborway - NABI CNG's
Cabot - NABI CNG's
Charlestown - RTS and Neoplan
Fellsway - Neoplan
Lynn - RTS and Neoplan
Quincy - Neoplan
Southampton St. - Neoplan dual-modes (Silver Line Transitway) and articulated CNG's (Silver Line south and 39 Forest Hills-Back Bay)
Subject to change, of course.
Jim D.
Thanks...
Incognito
The West Farms Kid
Those C8.3Gs aren't so bad at all, in fact, they sound like LI Bus's L10Gs, with the whining, as if the bus is in overdrive, but they are rather nice buses...South Boston's getting pampered with great new buses...and they stand out too!
Incognito
-Adam
(enynova5205@aol.com)
Arborway garage primarily serves the routes in the southern neighborhoods of Boston (Roxbury, Jamaica Plain, Roslindale, West Roxbury, Hyde Park , Mattapan), but that is not the same as South Boston. South Boston is immediately southeast of downtown Boston. If you look on a map, South Boston is the area east of Dorchester Avenue between South Station and Andrew Square.
When all of the new NABI and Neoplan buses are in, South Boston should remain an RTS stronghold on weekdays, since its two major routes are served by the Albany Street garage (9 City Point-Copley and 11 Bay View-Downtown) and Albany Street will be all RTS. On weekends, Cabot's NABI buses will run those routes.
Jim D.
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Incognito
-F.
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Unfortunately, the MBTA needs black wheels because they cannot keep any lighter color clean. The 1994-96 TMC/Nova RTS buses were delivered with white wheels and some older RTS's also received the white treatment. Within a couple of years, those white wheels disapperaed under a layer of grime. Why the T cannot effectively wash wheels the way other transit authorities do, I'll never understand, but there it is. Alcoa wheels on an MBTA bus would be the equivalent of putting earrings on a pig.
Jim D.
Providence Journal article
RIPTA press release
B1-#9316-NOVABUS
B8-#7630-Orion VII(farebox not working)
David
However sometimes the trip to Main Street is slow, So I thought that maybe taking the F train to Van Wyck Blvd , then hopping on the Q44 might be faster since I might be able to jump infront of some buses. But I haven tried it yet. (anyone have an Idea?)
Now the Real question is: With the addition to the Q17 Limited service. Would it be faster for me to get off at 188th street and take the limited to Flushing, where then I could jump on the Q44.
Or would Taking the Q44 from Jamaica(either Merick and archer, or Van Wyck Blvd) be the best route?
http://www.westchestergov.com/transportation/rte_12_campus_reroute.htm
This is Ride On's Orion VI "TRUE Low Floor"
More can be found at :
http://photos.transitgallery.com/DCtransit
Enjoy!
BTW, congrats on the 100,000th post!
JD
As Emily Litella would say, "Never mind" ...
JD
Daryl Jackson
-Adam
(enynova5205@aol.com)
HAVE FUN WITH IT LUCY, HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!
Time to usher in the Chumpion reign of terror!;-)
Anyway, unless I go to Drexel, I'm nowhere near those Chumpions. At least I finally had my last farewell ride on the Ford Cutaways (hopefully- I had like 10 of those!).
Guess what bus make from this interior
another clue
random seat shot
Stay tuned to this port for more exciting adventures(until you get sick of them, then I'll have to move for fresh ones).
5, or the last one was at the Park street Terminal, "Downtown" Clearwater. Terminal itself says 1984, and it feels like it too, maybe if they enact/pass a transit tax they'll build a really nice in it's place.
I'm going to sort everything and make a good page dedicated to local transit with a whole what's what(guidebook) someday when I free up server space and get enough pics.
But man, I am having way too much fun with this camera(and it's palm sized!).
And on a frigid east gate (may be abit blurry because I couldnt feel my hands!)
I wonder where my snow is...
BIG AL
Peace
David
1) What was the fleet number of the first Grumman delivered to a transit authority?
2) What was the TA's name?
3) In what month and year was this coach delivered?
4) What type of engine did it feature?
Looking forward to your answers!
-Fred
-Adam
(enynova5205@aol.com)
-F.
(An earlier response indicates the first production model was for CT Transit #101. This may have been the case, but I am 100% positive I saw a Grumman 870 in Atlanta before CT Transit received its first Grumman 870.)
-F.
More trivia:
3008 was the first Flxible 870 to be used in actual revenue service. While 3001 was used as the "show bus" for PR events in Atlanta, 3008 was used for a charter three days before the 870s entered line service.
-F.
Take a look and see the finished project:
http://www.commonwealthcoach.com/79ValleyMetro.html
Enjoy!
-Fred
Not bad at all for a transit bus!
-Fred
B1-#9324-NOVABUS
B8-#7563-Orion VII
-F.
-F.
www.regionaltransitservice.com
-F.
I don't think CT Transit retained any Gruamman 870's, but a number of them wound up at Double-A in Rocky Hill, CT. I didn't have time to look at Double-A's website to see how many may be listed, but those interested should go to that site. Double-A may actually still use some of them in charter or special services, although Grummans andd/or Flxibles from other sources may have replaced these.
BTW, I noticed that some TAs replaced the Grumman nameplates on their 870s with a Flxible nameplate, C-UMTD being one of the offenders, another one was HARTLine in Tampa. (You could always tell when you stepped inside, b/c it would still have the famous Grumman logo on the builder's nameplate above the driver compartment)
The key distinguishing feature of the 870 compared to the Metro was the lack of louvered vents between the headlights. Did those buses get the vents as well as the Flxible nameplate?
JD
Your thinking caps can now be put on.
-Adam
(enynova5205@aol.com)
First Test Bus
Demo to Detroit Diesel/Allison Division
Indianapolis, IN
Produced in May 1977
With The Serial Number 001
Regards,
Trevor Logan
TransiTALK Transportation Media Group, LLC
Officially Modeled the General Motors RTS Model TH-8201
This info is for both the test unit and the production model!
Regards,
Trevor Logan
TransiTALK Transportation Media Group, LLC
http://www.geocities.com/~buslist/RTS_II/RTSII_S1.html
I wonder if there's a possiblity that brand news ones just don't suck as much as they did.
IDEA!!! Ride Rt 116, from Chester. It's ton of Dorado fun! (Our Dorados are better than yours :-P)
HAve a farewell ride on the Fords with the 95 or 92/133.
Buswatch at Plymouth Meeting MAll, the best place in the suburbs to buswatch- every type of bus that SEPTA has besides the Champions and HEVs (watch out for Frontier area frequencies).
Ride an artic on the highway on the 27 or the 9.
End up at PM mall around 2:30 I can meet up with you guys (but where to get a daypass in the middle of nowheresville! Maybe Olney or 69th St?
Take the 95, get a quick view of the Frontier depot!
Take the rt 100 through Victory depot!
Watch out for train 9555 on the R5 Paoli line - it's only on time 37% of the time!
And then East Gate:
Under the circumstances, why not ban private automobiles, which could use any number of other streets. Yes there are stores, but customers can drive and park on the side streets -- most walk anyway. If Church were limited to trucks and buses, there would be plety of curbside space for loading/unloading, fewer turns, and faster travel times for transit riders. Agree?
David